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Consensus per this RfC closure and this RfM closure is to use "the Beatles" mid-sentence.

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Ok, there has been a long-standing issue RE: almost ALL Lennon & McCartney compositions in Wiki. Most people who are knowledgeable about the Beatles would agree, it’s time for it to STOP.

Almost EVERY Lennon & McCartney Wiki entry states: “[title] is a song written by John Lennon and credited to Lennon–McCartney.” OR vice versa.

While it’s true that some songs, especially in the latter years, were wholly composed by one or the other, these BLANKET statements that a given song was written by the lead singer are long overdue for correction.

I don’t care what the sources are, no such claim can be substantiated with irrefutable proof.

Even if a song was primarily written by one, they would almost always run it past the other, and the other would often suggest a tweak here and there. This is well documented.

Yes, I’m aware that there are numerous stories, including quotes or excerpts from interviews or authorized biographies by Lennon or McCartney themselves, e.g. “Oh that was Paul’s song” in circulation - but even statements made by either writer were made long after the fact. They’ve both ALSO admitted, many times, that they don’t recall the exact details of many compositions. And most importantly, even their own accounts differ in certain cases.

Furthermore, observers who were present have repeatedly discussed how other members, including Harrison, Ringo and even 3rd party hangers on, like Donovan, would occasionally suggest a line or a word for a song.

Even in songs that one or the other ABHORRED, there was STILL often contribution from the other. A perfect example is "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da". Lennon admittedly hated that song. Still, he wrote and played the piano intro in a moment of frustration.

So except in the rare cases for which there is absolute certainty, just STOP. Ok? Stop.

Simply add the word “PRIMARILY” and it will SOLVE the problem.

E.g. ”primarily written by Paul McCartney and credited to Lennon–McCartney” OR vice versa.

And please do this for EVERY Lennon & McCartney composition in Wiki.

Yes, EVEN songs like “Hey Jude”. Without Lennon’s input, the line, “the movement you need is on your shoulder” would likely have been changed to something else.

We all know that they wrote a lot of songs mostly on their own, still, they were a songwriting TEAM.

NONE of us were present to observe precisely who wrote what, to the letter, so let’s put an end this nonsense, shall we?

Good.

They broke up, then one was shot and killed. For God’s sake, stop separating them further.

Thank you kindly. WB (talk) 07:00, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not native english and do not have formal english training, and don't grasp what or who is the person 'she', 'her' in the lyrics. In the Julian context it does not make sense (is the world female, are feelings or songs female grammatical gender?)

Actually only 'her' appears in the lyrics, but I prefer to ask for 'she' and 'her'.

I notice that 'her' is rhyming with 'better', and makes sense to Re-member. So 'her' could be just a 'filler'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.56.145.145 (talk) 23:19, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The several german lyrics translations translate 'she' and 'her' literally and are not clarifying.

In the context of a new partner the pronoun would make sense.

77.56.145.145 (talk) 22:46, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You did read this article, yes? You should find an answer in the section Inspiration and writing. --2003:C9:4716:F62:1C26:7384:CCAF:63D3 (talk) 09:04, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes of course I did read the english article. It seems like a mixture between Julian and self Paul and you John (and maybe this is the solution, as in game theory with probability equilibrium where no fixed equilibrium exists). The song lyrics by themselves are not clear. The most heard idea about consolating (tröstend, утешая) Julian is not conclusive, and in the german translation the rhyme of 'her' to 'better' goes away.

In the german Wiki the section Inspiration and writing is absent and I can't add it. In the russian and the french Wikipediae the section Inspiration and writing is also absent, all three languages present only Julian. It is the english Wikipedia that mentions Paul and John, and the spanish. The idea makes sense, although it contradicts other languages.

It is obvious that it was not a grammatical 'her', like a ship.

77.56.145.145 (talk) 21:53, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reminder - any such speculation would have to be supported by a reliable source. --John (User:Jwy/talk) 19:09, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Spoiler: it's Yoko Ono. Haha, just kidding. --Enjoyer of World (talk) 08:20, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is a song. It's not a biography and every word does not have to be taken literally. "She" and "her" don't have to refer to anyone in particular. The song was inspired by a real event and real people, but that does not mean every word is specifically about them. There are dozens of Beatles songs (and many thousands of other songs) that use such pronouns but aren't necessarily about anyone. Sundayclose (talk) 22:04, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And you don't have to take my comment seriously. --Enjoyer of World (talk) 06:37, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Enjoyer of World: I wasn't responding to your comment. My statement is based on the OP. Sundayclose (talk) 00:19, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRZh5iOsWlM

If you are suggesting a change to the article, a YouTube video by a random person is not a reliable source. If you are just chatting about the song, talk pages are only for discussing improvements to the article, not a chat room for general discussion. Sundayclose (talk) 23:15, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If there is some evidence of this as being credible in the future, it might warrant change on the wikipedia page. This is just a heads-up record.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.96.135.97 (talk • contribs)

There is nothing about "fuckin' hell" in the article to change. Sundayclose (talk) 00:13, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Respectfully: last paragraph of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hey_Jude#Mixing --John (User:Jwy/talk) 02:36, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I stand corrected. Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 02:49, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article currently mentions the promotional film for "Hey Jude" having filmed introductions by both "David Frost (who introduced the Beatles as "the greatest tea-room orchestra in the world") and Cliff Richard, for their respective TV programmes"." I've not seen any mention of Cliff before, and the source for it is this article from the Liverpool Daily Post, an interview with Marc Sinden who is among the crowd in the film. I'm wondering if this is correct. I've had a look online and I can't find any other reference to the Cliff introduction. Indeed, I can't see that Cliff had his own show broadcast in 1968. What do we think? Humbledaisy (talk) 00:26, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The opening sentence claims: "In 1968, R&B singer Wilson Pickett released a cover recorded at Muscle Shoals Sound Studio . . ." The Wikipedia article states that the album was recorded at Rick Hall's FAME Studios in Muscle Shoals. Though they are connected by working history, these are two different studios, and The Swampers didn't found Muscle Shoals Sound Studios until 1969. Needs fixing. 76.197.210.99 (talk) 10:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]