Talk:Flugelhorn

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Whoever thinks a flugelhorn is a soprano instrument is wrong. The soprano member of the fluegelhorn family (which is not actually a saxhorn anyway -- it's a keyed bugle) as well as the soprano saxhorn are E-flat instruments. Here's a pretty good and accurate history of the fluegelhorn. Jpgordon 17:43, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

These statements are too absolutist and simplistic. There isn't a consensus on the origin; and it does indeed cover the soprano range. 138.37.199.199 13:29, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Since we're not the same thinking about families, you can't say that it's a keyed bugle or a saxhorn (although it's called a 'bugel' in the Netherlands). And there is NOT a flugelhorn family! It's an instrument in another family of instruments. And if it is a saxhorn, it's a B-flat instrument, from the saxhorns is only the altohorn is an E-flat instrument.Barijeroen (talk) 17:43, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I guess this is as good a place as any to make this observation... the playing range is incorrect as listed. Normally a trumpet with a harmon mute can play down to C 5 spaces below the staff, but a fluegel can do it without a mute. It takes a little more air and a looser embouchure to hit notes that low, but it's rather neat to be able to pop a pedal note every now and then. --Joey Kelly —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.252.121.95 (talk) 03:26, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Eb rotary fluegelhorns exist. I have one made by Adolf Stolwasser of Grath. It seems a natural evolution from the keyed bugel to the modern Fluegelhorn.

You link to history no longer works. Here is another that seems pretty good to me:

https://www.4barsrest.com/articles/2003/art321.asp Kharstin (talk) 15:55, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, what is the abbr for flugelhorn? flg? flghorn? greetz, FAThomssen 19:06, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure - I have seen flg or flug used, but I am not sure what is "official". 138.37.199.199 13:29, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In Finale Notation Software, the abbreviation used is Flghn. Lots of letters. Kilobytezero 17:01, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.howardblake.com/abbreviations.php uses flhn, and this seems to me a good abbreviation. I don't know how close to "official" it is, but most of the other instrumental abbreviations at this site are authoritative. TheScotch (talk) 07:07, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Although I admire the bluff in a way, it's really not that hard to look things up in the OED. The odd thing was not that there isn't any mention of Thomas Crapper in the flugelhorn entry, it's that there is no flugelhorn entry. RHD2 has an entry for flugelhorn, which is unsurprisingly Crapperless.--NapoliRoma 00:56, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The "Musical tone" section of this article currently includes this sentence: "The flugelhorn is the melody-instrument of a fanfare-orchestra.". What is a "fanfare-orchestra"? TheScotch (talk) 06:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted the sentence. It can come back (maybe) if we get a satisfactory explanation here. TheScotch (talk) 18:39, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think I heard a radio DJ use that term once in connection to a Leroy Anderson piece. But I seriously doubt it's either in common use or even jargon among brass players. Willi Gers07 (talk) 19:19, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A fanfare-orchestra or fanfare band is a brassband without altohorns, but with saxophones.Barijeroen (talk) 17:39, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re: "Flugelhorns have occasionally been used as the alto or low soprano voice in a drum and bugle corps. This is increasingly rare, however, as the mellophone, with its larger bell, is more often picked to mimic the sound of a horn.":

This may very well be true denotatively, but I object to the implication that a flugelhorn is a sort of poor man's (French) horn. It so happens that the horn's best range for playing melodies is about an octave below the flugelhorn's, which gives the two instruments significantly different functions (despite the circumstance of the flugelhorn approaching the timbre of the horn--from the trumpet side) and one cannot adequately be exchanged for the other. It is not the flugelhorn's function to "mimic the sound of a horn". TheScotch (talk) 16:07, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the last clause. (The mellophone's range, unlike that of the flugelhorn, is, apparently, approximately the same as the horn's.) TheScotch (talk) 16:19, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What the heck, that episode of HIMYM was aired like 3 days ago. How could that possibly make this word popular ?

The translation of the German name as 'winged horn' is incorrect (that would be: 'geflügeltes Horn'). 'Wing Horn' (or 'Flank Horn') is more accurate. Sejtam (talk) 07:39, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The FlÜgelhorn is standard in Austrian military bands, whereas German bands only have trumpets in this place. (One of the two differences, the other is the Helicon in Austrian bands) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.221.209.200 (talk) 12:23, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Paul McCartney played flugelhorn? I suspect it's more likely that he held one for a promotional photo. MarkinBoston (talk) 15:43, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The flugelhorn is a brass instrument which is usually pitched in B♭. It resembles a trumpet, with a tube of the same length but a wider, conical bore. A type of valved bugle, the flugelhorn was developed in Germany from a traditional English valveless bugle, with the first version sold by Heinrich Stölzel in Berlin in 1828.Photograph: Yamaha Corporation

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I'm going to be working on this article over the next few days, hopefully making some good recordings in the process (the current ones I made are rather crude). My overall goal is to get it to GA status. Ovinus (talk) 19:15, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In Serbia the Fluegelhorn is widely used as the principle instrument in their folk brass bands. See the Guca Festival of trumpet players. The Guca festival is a competition of folk brass bands and attracts hundreds of thousands of spectators every year in August. Kharstin (talk) 15:58, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the modern German instrument comes with a trumpet sized shank. They seem to use straight up trumpet mouthpieces that perhaps have a slightly deeper and conical cup. Kharstin (talk) 16:02, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The following sentence has been removed:

The shank of the flugelhorn mouthpiece is similar in size to a cornet mouthpiece shank.^{[citation needed]}

Reasoning, most of which should be preceded by "in my opinion":

• A request for a citation seems to have been there for 6 years
• The topic seems out of place in an encyclopedia. Who cares besides flugelhorn players seeking mouthpieces?
• The sentence seems low on meaning, like saying "An adult is similar in height to a Wikipedia editor's height". Sure, all the dimensions of most trumpet, cornet, and flugelhorn mouthpieces are about the same size, so I guess the sentence is true. But even if you know the size of a cornet mouthpiece shank, you learn little.
• Flugelhorn mouthpiece shanks vary in their dimensions to an extent that is painful for anyone trying to choose a mouthpiece. A web search will show lots of moaning like this page

DavidHolmes0 (talk) 14:39, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would be great if someone improved the example recordings for the comparison of "Flugelhorn excerpt" versus "B♭ trumpet playing the same excerpt". The timbres on these two recordings sound identical to me, whereas listening to players live usually makes a difference apparent.

I have deep respect for the original contributor. The idea of recordings was great, since recordings stand to help visitors to the page far beyond what can be achieved in text. The 36-second length seems ideal. The musicianship of the playing is enviable. Providing those recordings must have taken serious work (It would have taken me hours even if I could play that well, which I can't). For all those reasons, I hope someone can take the original contributor's ideas and fly with them.

DavidHolmes0 (talk) 15:05, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]