Talk:Diablo sandwich

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...pulled pork and Trappey's hot-sauce served on a hamburger bun. The sandwich was a regional specialty in the Hickory House Restaurant chain (one of which was used as a location shoot).--Froglich (talk) 23:15, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

According to the link you provided, no such sandwich actually existed on the Hickory House menu, and the sandwich in the film was probably just a pork sandwich. Ibadibam (talk) 21:44, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I was mistaken about the eatery; it wasn't "Hickory House Restaurant", but "Old Hickory house", a chain only in Georgia, one of which was in the film. ("Hickory", i.e., "...wood-smoked", was synonymous with BBQ pork in the 70s; the name was on everything.)--Froglich (talk) 23:27, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The author of the roadfood article updated it on his own blog.--Froglich (talk) 23:32, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Do we have any evidence that there was a "diablo sandwich" prior to Smokey and the Bandit? Every forum post or recipe I can find online either refers to the film, or to the Diablo brand sandwich iron, which is a recent invention and doesn't seem to have anything to do with any food derived from the film. It seems like it could easily be a name made up as color for the film. If it's the case that this exists in the real world only in reference to the film, and even then is not a widespread dish, it may not warrant an article on Wikipedia, although it's certainly worth a mention in the film's article. Ibadibam (talk) 00:47, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is not necessary for a movie prop to be real in order to sustain an article (for example, lightsabers aren't real), although it would help in the case RS is otherwise buried in the depths of Georgia microfiche archives not yet online. Be that as it may, I have little reason to assume it does not exist, as the movie was shot on a small budget without much in the way of prefabricated sets, and much of the dialogue was ad-libbed on-the-spot. We know the restaurant was real (some of the chain still exists). I created this article as a redirect (to the pulled pork article) the other day, but was unsatisfied with that, as it's bugged me for *years* what the hell a Diablo sandwich was, and I'm far from alone if the internet is any indication. There's even a "Diablo Sandwich Band" out there which has been playing since 1993.--Froglich (talk) 07:12, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lightsabers are a pervasive and iconic part of popular science fiction that are often imitated, parodied and referenced (not to mentioned merchandised). Wonka Bars and Everlasting Gobstoppers are fictional foods, but they've also become a real thing. What all these articles are up front about is that their origins are ultimately fictional. If we can't demonstrate that there's such a thing as a diablo sandwich, independent of this film, we need to be honest with our readers about where it comes from. And just because it was filmed in a real diner doesn't mean the name diablo sandwich appeared on the real menu. Ibadibam (talk) 23:47, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

With your second source, I think we can just let the article simmer as-is for awhile.--Froglich (talk) 07:01, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Come on for a second. This article is hardly more than a stub. In the bigger picture, will we eventually end up with every single prop from every single film having its own article? I don't think that should be encouraged and as such any cases with severe doubt should not be their own article. Apart from that, How many people actually know the name of the sandwich, even having seen the film? I personally haven't seen the film, so perhaps it's so prominent that it would stick out. That however is not indicated in the page. It merely says "portrayed".

Something to consider: The main article of Smokey and the Bandit doesn't even MENTION the name, the word "sandwich" or even "restaurant" for that matter. Now, I'm not suggesting people run out and add all this. Surely if the page of the film that used the prop doesn't even mention it, it shouldn't have its own article. OmikronWeapon (talk) 09:41, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Here, for your edification, is the scene of relevance. The phrase diablo sandwich appears exactly once in the script, and the sandwich is called a diablo on second reference. The film is the earliest appearance of the phrase I am able to verify, leading to my conjecture that its origin is fictional. Even so, being fictional does not bar it from notability, if the members of Category:Fictional foods are any indication. What's more troubling for me is its apparent failure of WP:GNG. I've been trying to help Froglich save and improve this article, but if you want to AfD it, I won't oppose you. Ibadibam (talk) 19:01, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]