Talk:Battle of Axspoele

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A fact from Battle of Axspoele appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 26 October 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that before his victory at the 1128 Battle of Axspoele, William Clito ordered his knights to cut their hair and remove opulent clothing as a sign of penance?

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The result was: promoted by Crisco 1492 talk 11:09, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Clito as depicted on his seal

... that the 1128 Battle of Axspoele (participant pictured) was a rare case of a mass cavalry charge in western Europe in the High Middle Ages?

Source: "in the west battle was uncommon and mass cavalry charges were rate ... only at Axspoele on 21 June 1128 was there anything resembling a mass cavalry charge and here numbers were small" from: France, John (15 May 2017). Medieval Warfare 1000–1300. Routledge. p. 60. ISBN 978-1-351-91847-3.

ALT1: ... that before his victory at the 1128 Battle of Axspoele William Clito (pictured) ordered his knights to cut their hair and remove opulent clothing as a sign of penance? Source: "before battle he had all his knights cur off their long hair, cast off their rich garments and do penance for their sins as if they were expecting death" from: Crouch, David (15 October 2006). The Normans: The History of a Dynasty. A&C Black. p. 332. ISBN 978-1-85285-595-6.
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Francis W. Kelly
Comment: After creating this I realised the subject was already covered in a very short orphan article at Battle of Thielt (1128) which I have since redirected to this article. The new content is more than 5x the content here in any case.

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 884 past nominations.

Dumelow (talk) 18:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Article is new enough and long enough; more than 5x longer than short START article (under a different title) that it replaced; appears to have adequate references though they cannot be read on-line so sources are taken in good faith; both hook facts have in-line citations; hooks are both appropriate length; I think the first hook is better than ALT1, but either could be used; image is in Public Domain.Orygun (talk) 05:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Timing

The article states, "That morning William Clito's force called at the Abbey of St. Peter in Oudenburg" and then battled at Axspoele. But these places are 31.5 km (19.6 mi) apart as the crow flies. So those two events could not have been on the same day. I would suggest it would take two days to march there at 10 miles a day, and that the attack started the morning after they arrived in the vicinity. Abductive (reasoning) 08:14, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Abductive, good point. I am not sure where I got "that morning" from, it is not in the source which states "as abbot of Oudenburg Hariulf was apparently on good terms with successive counts of Flanders; both Charles the Good and Thierry of Alsace gave confirmations and made small benefactions. In the struggle for the succession to the county of Flanders that followed Charles' death it was at Hariulf's abbey that William Clitho, grandson of William the Conqueror and King Louis VI's nominee as count of Flanders, received the sacrament of penance before the battle of Axspoele in 1128". I've edited the article to say it was before the battle but not the day of it - Dumelow (talk) 11:50, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]