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5th Album section

With the Goodbye Lullaby era coming to an end I expect we'll be getting more info on her fifth album soon (after all, there are rumours it will be released in 2012!). To be ready for all this new info, I was thinking it might be a good idea to make a separate Fifth Album seection, instead of mixing it with the Goodbye Lullaby section? Zylo1994 (talk) 16:16, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

It looks like we really only have information to make up one paragraph right now and a lot of that information is comparing it to Goodbye Lullaby. But once we do get more info on the new album I think it's absolutely deserving of its own section. ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 18:34, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

She also premiered a song live at the Viper Room on april 25th, called Seventeen.

New picture of Avril

I'm currently on a (lenient) wikibreak at the moment, but cleaning out my email account, I noticed a photographer on Flickr kindly released an image of Avril for free use. That image can be seen here. If anyone likes it enough, feel free to upload it as-is. Any derivatives (crop, sharpening, etc.) should be uploaded as a separate file. Only do this if the image will be used in an article; otherwise, leave well enough alone : ) If the image does get used, please contact the photographer and let them know the image is being used. Thanks! (PS – don't forget to add it to the Commons images collection; link is in the Avril Lavigne template box.) – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 05:53, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 184.145.184.171, 2 October 2011


she is now with Epic Records 184.145.184.171 (talk) 23:34, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a source for this edit? --Jnorton7558 (talk) 01:07, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from AndyInVanBC, 4 October 2011

Please add in summary box in Background information

Spouse Deryck Whibley (2006-2010)

Source: This information is on this wiki page toward the end of the article, but can also be found at: marriage: [1] divorce: [2]

AndyInVanBC (talk) 08:48, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

The infobox for all musicians does not contain a line for spouses or significant others, so there is no way to add it there. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 13:49, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Epic Records

I found myself having to revert some edits in regard to which label Avril is signed to. Her official website still says RCA and so does RCA's site (even though that site is outdated since the SME restructuring). There were some rumors on twitter in particular about her moving to Epic. I believe these rumors went onto some fan sites. If there is a real plausible source that says she has been moved then feel free to include it. It looks like Epic records is re-launching their site. If her name shows up on there once that happens then Its safe to say she is under epic. If anyone finds any plausible info then feel free to share it here in this discussion section. --MusicGeek101 (talk) 15:06, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

This is the source that people use to claim she has moved to Epic:

http://www.fmqb.com/article.asp?id=16691

This types of sources are not always accurate and very often contain misprints. An official statement would be best. --MusicGeek101 (talk) 15:22, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I agree that until a reliable source discussing the actual change of a record label can be found, we should leave the label as is. Changing this wiki could actually cause MORE unreliable sources to start popping up as people look to this site for information assuming it's reliably sourced. ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 17:22, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

The website for epic records is about to be re-launched:

http://www.epicrecords.com

We might as well just wait it out until the site is fully available. Its bound to have a list of artists. If her name appears then obviously the info here should be changed. --MusicGeek101 (talk) 17:33, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that sounds like the best idea. — Status {talkcontribs 17:40, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
I believe RCA Records was separated from Epic Label Group now by way of the old jive label - so its possible she been move to the old label?Moxy (talk) 18:04, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
What happened was the RCA/Jive Label Group was split. More "urban" jive acts moved to Epic, while others stayed with Jive. Jive was moved under the RCA Music Group. Last week RCA shut down Jive, J & Arista Records. There was never really an "Epic Label Group". I thought there was but there is none, just Epic Records. the new Epic records tends to be more aimed at Urban music & is headed by LA Reid. This is why I find it hard to believe that Avril would move there even though LA reid did discover her in the previous decade. She signed to arista about a decade ago. Several years later she got moved to RCA due to restructuring. --MusicGeek101 (talk) 18:21, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
It is quite possible that she was moved to Epic during this reconstruction process again. I don't see why FMQB would list Epic as the label if it wasn't. But again, let's just wait until their website relaunch. :) — Status {talkcontribs 18:57, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Also, all the downloads at Amazon.co.uk list "Wish You Were Here" as Epic, as well. ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 20:43, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I do not know much in terms of what SME's restructuring means for their UK operations. There is the label you are signed to in the US (SME is based in the US) which distributes your music in the sates. Often a different label does it overseas. I know that most RCA artists release under RCA in the UK. This could mean that she moved. Hopefully the new epic site will be up soon so that we can know for sure. --MusicGeek101 (talk) 22:35, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

The US site for Amazon.com says epic, so we can let the page on wish you were here say that is epic:

http://www.amazon.com/Wish-You-Were-Here/dp/B004PUAOYS/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1318199961&sr=1-4

However on the main avril lavigne page we still should not put epic in yet. --MusicGeek101 (talk) 22:44, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Move to Epic Confirmed

This interview here confirms it. Avril Lavigne herself has confirmed the move to Epic Records.

http://www.925thebeat.ca/audioplayer.php?mp3=113406

I'll change the information. Confirmation from the artist is highly credible. --MusicGeek101 (talk) 23:11, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

This was confirmed fast! Yay! (Glad she's finally done with RCA, they screwed her over with Goodbye Lullaby.) — Status {talkcontribs 01:40, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Four new images

Not sure how useful these would be for any article since they're of lower quality, originally black & white, or hide her face, but they were free and I thought they were diverse enough to add to the collection. :) – – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 05:52, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

I actually have a photo-related issue I wanted to bring up. I hate to moan and I'm all for being bold but changing the main photo without discussing it first just seems a bit...well lets put it this way - all main photo choices in the past have been discussed and voted on so for it to suddenly be changed by one person...I was just wondering how everyone else felt because I know I'm probably just making a mountain out of a molehill. Zylo1994 (talk) 18:18, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
I've reverted the image change. The featured image should be discussed before it is changed, in my opinion. ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 22:57, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Agreed, and that photo was godawful and looked like a curse had been set upon it. The more slick photos of Avril that I come across are always fully copyrighted and the photographers don't always answer right away or flat out refuse to release their images (their prerogative of course)—I had one professional photographer who has his stuff on Getty keep writing me for two weeks to tell me why he wouldn't release his images, as if I didn't get it the first time. I think he was a lonely man. I may continue to upload free images if I find them, just to expand the collection a bit. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 08:17, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request

Should the last sentence in the "Early Life" section not read "cultural relevance" instead of "cultural relativity"? I am tossing it out there because not 100% sure what the criteria were for this U.S. rating. 204.92.65.10 (talk) 13:22, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

I checked the source and Billboard doesn't say anything about that so the weird wording can be removed entirely. The Artists of the Decade chart only says "ranking is based on artist's chart performance on the Billboard Hot 100 songs chart and Billboard 200 albums." I have revised the sentence in question to accurately reflect the source. Thanks for the tip! ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 13:51, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

References clean-up

If anyone with some free time could clean up some of the references, nos. (as of this writing) 87 (Spence, D.), 88 (Tim O'Neil), 89 (NY Times), 90 (Christian Hoard), 91 (RS) look like they're incorrectly formatted and have other problems as well, like super lengthy hyperlinking sentences. It'd be greatly appreciated! I'm a little suspicious about MusicMight as a reliable source as well; it's user contributed, but the users apparently have to be "accepted" by the website owners or something. Not too clear on the whole thing. So I'm not sure if it's a good source for genres. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 07:03, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

 Done That was a little weird how those refs were written. As if "title=" was really the "quote=" parameter or something. Anyway, I went through and replaced the titles with the actual titles from the website, and chucked 'em into LDR format while I was at it. =D ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 11:47, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Awesome, thank you so much! – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 18:41, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 December 2011

'Lavigne's fifth album is rumoured to be released in 2012, "far earlier than imagined". However, nothing has been confirmed by Lavigne or her record label as to when the album will be released.[76] In September 2011 Lavigne stated that she had a "few" tracks ready for the record, before stating a month later in an interview with Virgin Radio 96 that she would begin production on it by January 2012 [66], despite saying on her Twitter account that she began recording new material in November 2011. In a recent interview, Lavigne confirmed that she has moved to Epic Records which is now headed by L.A. Reid.'

In September Lavigne stated she had tracks ready to record and then a month later said she would begin producing the album by Jan '12. A month after September is October so why does the article imply she was a liar by saying 'despite' when referring to Lavigne having started recording in November? Surely this section of the article should actually be

'In September 2011 Lavigne stated that she had a "few" tracks ready for the record, before stating a month later in an interview with Virgin Radio 96 that she would begin production on it by January 2012 [66], however Lavigne later tweeted that she had started recording in November 2011.'

109.175.203.5 (talk) 07:39, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

I've had a problem with this paragraph for a little while. Since it's the most recent information, that's where the most editing is taking place so people add and subtract information so much that it begins to lose its sense. The "lies" you are referring to never really happened. She did state that she was in the studio, but never said anything about being in the studio because it was her fifth album. Besides that, it's unsourced.
I've removed most of the "quotes" that are unsourced and provide language that doesn't seem WP:NEUTRAL, removed other unsourced information and provided only the relevant information and dates. Thanks for the edit request. =)  Done ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 23:59, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Brody out.

According to New York Daily News, Us Magazine, and Daily Mail.co.uk, Brody Jenner is out. Nothing super notable about their relationship, so I removed most references to him and/or his sister. Tattoo section left alone for the most part, just rephrased a bit. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 05:30, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Please put that part back. Those were rumors! They denied that they broke up. This was never true! — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheCraziestFun (talk • contribs) 02:19, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

According to sources, they broke up, were spotted together again on a date, and then it was reported the date was Brody and Avril figuring out how to separate, either permanently or temporarily. In addition, what was removed wasn't detrimental to any part of the article. Brody is still mentioned; his sister is not. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 03:21, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Advertising

Please remove the reference to Converse in the Personal section. Wikipedia is not meant to serve as platform for product placement. It's good enough to say that she wears "skater shoes". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.2.126.176 (talk) 09:20, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request

There was some recent news about Avril and her Abbey Dawn line signing a deal with fashion company JustFabulous. Seems to be pretty big news that might warrant an addition to her fashion career section. A solid reference can be found here: http://www.wwd.com/retail-news/direct-internet-catalogue/avril-lavigne-links-with-justfabcom-5623722— Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.105.238 (talk • contribs) 16:36, 2 March 2012‎

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Elizium23 (talk) 20:29, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

"Goodbye" is not a single

I thought it was obvious from Avril's 1 minute, 45 second long monologue introducing the "Goodbye" music video that the video is not meant to signify a new single, but is meant to literally say goodbye to her fans and the album and to say thank you for all the support. She says plainly "after tonight's show, it will be a complete wrap on Goodbye Lullaby, this album cycle, and the Black Star tour". A complete wrap definitely means that there is not another single being produced from it. She says "I just wanted this to be something to give to you guys to say thank you and to complete this album cycle". It is very unlikely based on these quotes that there will be any further activity on this song and thus, it is not a single. It is what it is: A thank-you video from Avril Lavigne to her fans. Nothing more. ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 23:32, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Genre

Safe to say she is post-hardcore and metalcore? As she has provided heavy guitar riffs, and shouty vocals. At least post-punk or hardcore punk? --58.168.23.206 (talk) 00:14, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Needs a source. Andrzejbanas (talk) 02:09, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 August 2012

As of August 21, 2012, Avril Lavigne became engaged to Nickelback lead singer Chad Kroeger. The pair have been dating for six months.

MrsLisaH (talk) 00:57, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, saw that. Pretty weird. o.O Here's a reliable source for those who wish to complete the edit request: http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20623133,00.html ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 01:26, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Starswept did a fine job of adding the info. Once they're married, probably can be mentioned in the lede. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 04:38, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

You should update her sales, there's no update since 2009. Avril has sold 34 million copies worldwide, 12 million in US and 25 million singles worldwide. Her album sales since 2009 was over 30 millions ( but since October 2012 her sales are: "Let Go" 17 millions, "Under My Skin" 9.5 millions, "The Best Damn Thing" 6 millions and "Goodbye Lullaby" 1.5 million copies for a total of 34 millions) and her singles sales before "What The Hell" was around 20 millions according to Avril's website, but her 3 singles of "Goodbye Lullaby" have sold over 5 millions. That means her single sales are over 25 millions. Total album and single sales are around 60 million. So she can also be part of the List of best-selling music artists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.64.146.224 (talk) 17:28, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

If you have a source for this information, by all means we may be able to update the information. Without a valid source, it's a no-go. ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 22:29, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

New image

Just a heads up I've managed to get a fresh image of Avril by doing some sweet-talking. It's of her in concert in Shanghai last year and can be seen at Image:Avril Lavigne Shanghai 2011 cropped.jpg. The big benefit to me of it is that it's a head-and-shoulders shot of her and the view of her face is unobstructed. Maybe we can use it for the main infobox?? Tabercil (talk) 23:13, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

It's unobstructed and in a high resolution, which is good, and it's current, and Lavigne changes her image frequently, so that is all good. I'm concerned about the contrast of light and shadow on each side of her face. Can someone with Photoshop expertise clean that up? Then it'd be perfect. Elizium23 (talk) 23:20, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
What's that cutting across her right eye, does anyone know? – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 02:58, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm tempted to say it'a stray hair... but I don't really have much of a clue myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tabercil (talk • contribs) 23:49, September 19, 2012‎
I gave it a shot here. I think you're right, it's probably just a hair. I left it there, no one will notice without really wanting to zoom in on her eyeball. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 05:38, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
<whistles> Nicely done... that's a hell of a lot better than anything I'd've ended up trying to get. Tabercil (talk) 00:52, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! I will admit, I'm not totally sold on it being in the main infobox, but then again, that pink one's been up there forever. It's not like a lot of opinions are pouring in, either. If you do change the image, I do ask that you move the current infobox image down to the Goodbye Lullabye section and replace that section's image (the profile of her singing). – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 05:20, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
I just kinda go with the flow with this sort of thing, but my only opinion is to go against the suggestion above. Although the "photoshop" version is more uniform, there's a huge loss in color that the "cropped" version has. But both images appear "zoomed" as if the original version was either out of focus, or had some type of filter used on it so there's a great loss in quality in the picture itself.
If I had to choose the current one, the "cropped" one, or the "photoshopped" one, I'd definitely vote the current one. ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 22:54, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your input! Just a quick comment on what you said about loss of color, though, I could try to retain most of the color, but the original image—as are many concert images—are over-saturated, plus filled with colored haze. Any comparisons between the two images should be for contrast alone—in addition, in the original image, the color basically takes center stage and is more of the focus than Lavigne herself. The "photoshopped" image isn't as colorful because the overabundance of color is partially the cause for the over-contrast. By removing all that color, you suddenly get details on her face and in her hair—you can see strands of hair popping out as the color is removed. And not unlike blue haze in the atmosphere when looking at a distant landscape, that "blue" is captured and slowly removed until the blacks (her shirt) become blacker, though without being contrasty like the original image. After the work is done, her face retained a nice pink glow, but the blue was pretty much wiped entirely, and I did bring some of it back to keep the concert-lighting intact. If it's really the lack of color that's an issue, I can easily push that blue right back to where it was, but then we lose the point of the image: recognition of Lavigne's face. Anyway, I suck at explaining all that stuff; the point is, the new image is technically fine and most likely what Lavigne looks like on stage when lights aren't blasting directly into her face from the grid.

My biggest issue with the image are the shadows cast across her face and the unfortunate heavy cakey make-up she's wearing. The result is a bit ghoulish (best word I can come up with at the mo') and harsh. Maybe people can keep hunting around for a new replacement image then? The AL article's been slow recently, but once the fifth album is out, plus a potential marriage and possible follow-up concert, things will be lively again and new photographs should emerge. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 18:50, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Billboard.com

Billboard.com has changed (or been changing) their URLs, so citations are being broken left and right. I just checked the ones here and some need to be updated. WebCite worked for one or two of the links, but Billboard.com used a javascript thingy (I'm hip with the lingo) that wasn't archive-able. In addition, there are some references that are completely unacceptable, like twitter accounts—but without specific tweets being linked. Of course, if Avril tweeted something newsworthy, it'd be published elsewhere and that entire source could be replaced with a better, third-party source. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 06:34, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Is the info available through there magazine? Because stable version can be seen freely even 2012 copies. All we need to do is search by date if we have that info. -- Moxy (talk) 06:47, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

US sales are over 12 million copies according to billboard!! http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop-shop/1554196/avril-lavigne-shares-single-snippet-crowd-sources-lyric-video And her single sales till 2010 was over 20 million copies according to her official site! http://www.avrillavigne.com/gr/bio And since then she sold another five million singles! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.64.150.171 (talk) 11:24, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Change power pop please?

I have a request to remove power pop and change it to alternative rock. Reasons are because there are more alternative rock styles on her albums than power pop, even according to her other wikipedia pages on her albums. So, politely asking, it just makes more sense for it to be alternative rock, and don't get me wrong, i do agree with the other 2 genres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BethanyJoy96 (talk • contribs) 19:13, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

New line in Template

Potential new line in the template which has a few options for access to other Wikimedia projects: here. Opinions? – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 04:07, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

 Done No opposes. Added WM links to template; removed from EL section in main article. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 17:15, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Thumbs Up Looks good! ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 17:30, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
I too share the view. Hindustanilanguage (talk) 11:35, 1 April 2013 (UTC).

Oui ou non?

Apparently, Lavigne lived in France for a year, "last year"—so is this 2012 then? I think this is a case of verifiability vs. truth, and without original research, I squeezed the info into the Chad Kroeger section (I didn't know where else to place it—it's personal life and unrelated to her fifth album). If her Black Star Tour ended in February 2012, if her house was sold in January 2012 (cited in my new update), and if she started dating Kroeger in February 2012 (previously cited information), then apparently she rented an apartment in France for about three hours. So there's a discrepancy somewhere, and I'm likely to believe that the gossip around the Kroeger relationship would be the most dubious—she is getting engaged to him, but perhaps not after six months (unless she's actually stated this somewhere, like in the recent Ryan Seacrest interview? I don't recall, unfortunately). I'm also likely to think (original research on the talk page be damned!) that she lived in France for only a single school term—so 8–12 weeks, perhaps, learning French. (She spoke basic French, to my great surprise, in a recent interview with Chelsea Handler, and so this new information solves that little mystery.) – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 03:52, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Citation parameters for sources

At some point in the near future, I would like to make two changes to this article to conform with Featured Article standards. 1, I will be changing "No." (as in "No. 1" to "number" for easier flow of reading. 2, I will be moving any websites from the work parameters of citation templates to the publisher parameters, as FAs follow Harvard citation format. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 06:57, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

No objections; I went ahead and did "No. " to "number ", which is also agreed upon by others at this discussion (not a consensus or debate). With all the dead links remaining, the move of websites from work --> publisher parameters is now low priority for me. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 18:30, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Avril Kroeger??

Can someone please tell me how was it deduced that Avril has officially added Kroeger to her name? 14.139.229.37 (talk) 10:19, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Well I think you are right, It's not KRoegr!! aish.ego (talk) 08:45, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2013

Avril's band members have changed! Please change names under the "Backing Band" section. (instructions below) Steve Fekete is no longer her lead guitar player. Her new lead guitar player and backing vocals is named Dan Ellis. Jim McGorman is no longer her rhythm guitar player. Her new rhythm guitar player and backing vocals is named David Immerman.

You can verify these names by checking her Twitter account for mentions of both musicians. Check Jimmy Kimmel LIve for the song "Rock and Roll" to see them live.

Please remove and send to: "Past members"

Please replace with:

GerberLady (talk) 03:29, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Dark Sun (talk) 20:21, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Controversy

This article is slanted with an overwhelmingly positive tone. There is no mention of criticism or controversy. From a strictly un-biased point of view, that does not reflect the reality of this woman's career. I am not familiar enough with her to make such additions myself, but it bears consideration. 216.234.120.71 (talk) 18:04, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what to do about it, but I agree with you. The type of writing on this article is unrecognizable and "too positive" most likely from a fan's perspective. I would recommend the writer to take notes from Mariah Carey and Nicki Minaj's articles. Smartyy9108 (talk) 7:45, 16 February 2014 (CST)
Planning a day to fix the article... Smarty9108 (talk) 6:41, 18 February 2014 (CST)

Other Genres

Avril Lavigne is more than just Pop Punk. Please add other genres. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lady777wewe (talk • contribs) 23:49, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Added alternative rock, since her earlier albums had more alt-rock vibe. As you can see on her albums page. --Pankoroku (talk) 06:53, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
We need multiple reliable sources that refer to her as an alternative rock singer/act, not just original research that her early albums had an "alt-rock" vibe. STATic message me! 07:13, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Hey, just wonder about her way to pronunce her name. Are you all French and American speaking people sure of it? You mean, it shouldn't be /ˈævrɨl ləˈviːnj/ instead of /ˈævrɨl ləˈviːn/ ? --Christian47 (talk) 05:25, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Recent change of photo in infobox

Frankly, I agree with Mareklug that she doesn't really look good in the previous photo. However, I don't think the current one is the best photo for use in the infobox at all, it's in a bad angle and the microphone is blocking her face. I think this would be the best one to use:

It's recent, shows her face without anything blocking the view, and it's how her face usually looks these days. Thoughts? --Markhoris (talk) 14:05, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

You raise good points, and I agree, except that for a noted performer, the most salient picture, and that is the one that ought to grace the infobox, is that of artist in performance. Now, actors and actresses, pornographic and otherwise, that is a whole different kettle of fish. Thoughts? Let's look for a better in-performance shot, I say. --Mareklug talk 20:21, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
I don't think that's how it works. Look for example at the pages for Kelly Clarkson and Britney Spears, they have pictures where they aren't performing in the infobox. I see pictures of artists performing in the infobox only when there aren't any better pictures. Not only that, but it would also be incredibly hard to find a photo of her performing with nothing blocking her face or isn't in a bad angle. --Markhoris (talk) 09:52, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
I think you two are not looking hard enough. We have this on file in a sub cat:
I suggest it is a much better alternative, even uncropped and unPhotoshopped for improvement, to the odious shot Markhoris reverted my fix to. --Mareklug talk 03:13, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 Done especially since everyone ignored it. WP:BOLDed it in place. This is not a universal rule, but sure works most of the time on Wikipedia: Silence means assent. --Mareklug talk 00:12, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Why did you change the pic in the infobox to that? You can barely see her at all and it's low quality. And did you just ignore my comment about how a lot of other articles don't have a pic from a live performance on the infobox? --Markhoris (talk) 08:27, 10 August 2014 (UTC)


I think the current image should be changed- the excessive black make up and eyeliner makes her look frightening and it's unpleasant- not an appropriate way to depict a musician. I suggest we use the image I had put up before (the one that was reverted by Jjj1238). It's much more pleasant and she looks better. Recency doesn't matter since she hasn't changed much at all!

Miss.Indecisive (talk) 11:22, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Heads up

Wait for more sources to confirm this before posting. Not official. 96.23.4.165 (talk) 01:07, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Well, it is all over all the rags now. Then again, given how badly her last record flopped, maybe it's just her publicist trying to get some attention for her. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 00:00, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 October 2014

Please add "Fashion Designer" to Avril Lavigne's OCCUPATION because of her work creating the fashion line Abbey Dawn

Please add "Philanthropist" to Avril Lavigne's OCCUPATION because of her work establishing the Avril Lavigne Foundation

Jocelyn Gee (talk) 20:03, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

 Not done This request must be a complete and specific description, that is, specify what text should be removed and a verbatim copy of the text that should replace it. "Please change X" is not acceptable and will be rejected; the request must be of the form "please change X to Y". IPadPerson (talk) 20:17, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Musical style and songwriting

Maybe somebody who knows rules well and "non-bEd" English can rewrite genre paragraph in this section? Many artists and bands has detailed description like "Her general sound has been described as *4-7 main genres*. Some critics also descibed her sound as *some other genres*. Some albums also have *some else influences and genres*."

Cause now it have many "tagged" links from databases which tells identical things. And full description as "mix of rock, teen pop and pop punk" is unreliable too, cause even databases describes her as adult alternative singer with alternative rock, pop-punk, post-grunge and contemporary pop/rock (or just pop rock) sound. She's even one of top artist in "Adult Alternative" section on AllMusic. And we have "teen pop" (lolwhat?) only at most label-influesed sites like AllMusic and no one other site or online magazine tells about this one. Mr. LuxeTH (talk) 14:32, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Adding to Avril Lavigne's "Occupation"

Please change Avril Lavigne's OCCUPATION from ""Singer* Songwriter* Actress*" to "Singer* Songwriter* Actress* Fashion Designer* Philanthropist" because of her work with Abbey Dawn [3] and Avril Lavigne Foundation [4] Jocelyn Gee (talk) 17:39, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Can you provide sources which explicitly say her occupation is as a fashion designer and philanthropist? Without them we can't insert them into the article unfortunately. Stickee (talk) 06:38, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 23:41, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

User:Anon126 Please change Avril Lavigne's OCCUPATION from ""Singer* Songwriter* Actress*" to "Singer* Songwriter* Actress* Fashion Designer* Philanthropist" because of her work designing her fashion line Abbey Dawn [5] and the creation of her charity The Avril Lavigne Foundation [6]. Jocelyn Gee (talk) 20:09, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

References
  1. ^ http://www.canada.com/topics/entertainment/story.html?id=47eabafc-9426-4064-a786-5a6c65ab0111&k=68710
  2. ^ http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/17/avril-lavigne-deryk-whibley-officially-divorced-split-breakup-judgment/
  3. ^ http://www.instyle.com/instyle/package/general/photos/0,,20186820_20185882_20438482,00.html
  4. ^ http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20140905005067/en/Avril-Lavigne-Kicks-Fundraising-Campaign-Support-Special#.VFLHxvR4pU0
  5. ^ http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-style/news/avril-lavigne-to-debut-abbey-dawn-accessories-on-kimora-lee-simmons-justfabcom-201292
  6. ^ http://finance.yahoo.com/news/avril-lavigne-kicks-off-fundraising-150000423.html

Health issues

Recently she declared she has health problems: http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop-shop/6397769/avril-lavigne-health-issues --Adriano Esposito (talk) 21:57, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Marriage to Chad Kroeger

Please can someone remove the line It was announced on 14 December 2014 they had divored in a few months before the announcement. This is in the Marriage to Chad Kroeger section. The source cited for this does not mention a divorce it mentions rumors only which really does not cut the mustard for a encyclopedia and health issues. It don't mention 100% fact about a divorce just rumors. Daniel298289 (talk) 10:32, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Will do. I completely agree; I'm about to fix the whole thing, so that sentence will be taken out and other things fixed. 4TheWynne (talk) 11:00, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 Done - by another - as stated above - Arjayay (talk) 13:40, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Making this article (nearly) FA-quality

I see too many references in "Musical style and songwriting" and "Personal life" sections. Recent FAs don't do citations in introductions. Links must be updated. --George Ho (talk) 01:31, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Can we update Avril's occupation section?

Can we update Avril's occupation section? Right now it's just "Singer * Songwriter * Actress" Can we also add "Philanthropist * Fashion Designer"? She founded The Avril Lavigne Foundation [1] and has her own fashion line Abbey Dawn [2]. Jocelyn Gee (talk) 19:20, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. While the fashion design and philanthropy sections are fairly lengthy, are these occupations she is independently notable for? In most of the sources, she's identified as singer/artist first.  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  21:26, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

@Becky Sayles: Yes, she is identified as a philanthropist and fashion designer. She has an established charity foundation benefitting Special Olympics [3], and has a clothing label that has sold in stores all over the world [4]. These are permanent projects Avril works on, and define her as a person. These are huge components of her career, and are even cited in her article as notable, career-defining work. Jocelyn Gee (talk) 19:32, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

@Jocelyn Gee: I understand that she is a philanthropist and fashion designer, and those are in the article already under "Other works". But I don't see how that supports addition to her occupations. The fashion line and foundation don't have their own articles, and in virtually all sources available she's identified first as a singer who does other things. These are not her occupation. Like many other celebrities, she has a fashion line and a charity, but it's not what they are known/notable for. See Michael Phelps Foundation, Fresh Air Fund Board Member Mariah Carey, or Clinton Foundation and Clinton Global Initiative. Adding these as occupations would be misleading, and not consistent with consensus on multiple occupations.  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  20:25, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
@Becky Sayles: I agree with Jocelyn Gee even though these pages may not have a dedicated Wikipedia article themselves, they are still very credible and a part of Avril and what she does. She is foremost a singer as Michael Phelps is foremost a swimmer, however he also has a foundation. How is this different than Jocelyn Gee asking to add Avril's foundation and fashion label to her occupations? Krispelle (talk) 21:44, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
@Krispelle: The Michael Phelps Article has a section on his philanthropy. It does not identify his occupation as philanthropist. Listing it there, as it would here, would create a false impression, that his philanthropic work is comparable to his athletic achievements. Language like "career-defining work", "define her as a person", "huge components of her career", and "part of Avril and what she does" does not support any reason to change her occupation, nor is it supported factually by any citations.  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  22:53, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

@Becky Sayles: Avril is first and foremost a singer/songwriter, but that does not make her other occupations (philanthropy and fashion designing) superfluous or unworthy of note. Being a philanthropist and a fashion designer are just as definitive of her identity as singer/songwriter even if they're not as widely known to the general public. Avril, like most artists, is multidimensional, and dedicates herself to many different projects. Here is a ticket site bio that also identifies her as a philanthropist and fashion designer.

Take Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen. Originally and most notably they were/are actresses, but their occupations mention their other projects (fashion designer/author/producer etc).

dupe section "discography"

deleted the dupe, forgot to write it in the description line — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dafuki (talk • contribs) 20:21, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Avril Lavigne's Nationality

Here's one of my edit summaries: Undid revision 665687224 by Tabercil (talk) There are many Canadians who have citizenships from foreign countries but are referred to as "Canadian" only, here on Wikipedia.

Why do you believe that it is important to refer to her as "Canadian-French". The article still very clearly mentions that she is a French citizen. Referring to her as "Canadian" only does not remove any details on her French ancestry as I was previously told and it is not incorrect by any means unless her connection to France is very significant, and it is not. She wasn't born or raised there and she only lived there for a short period of time, a very short period of time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Perrie101 (talk • contribs) 14:42, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2015

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Not done - please see WP:ELNO for reasoning. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Union of Opposites ‖ 18:27, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

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New Song?

They're saying that the upcoming song of Avril Lavigne is "Slippin' On Sunshine". Is that true? Chandelia16 (talk) 09:16, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 September 2015

The couple married at the Château de La Napoule, a reconstructed medieval castle on the Mediterranean Sea in the South of France, on 1 July 2013 (which is Canada Day), after a year of being together.[196][198] They had their honeymoon in Portofino, Italy.[199] After two years and and two months of marriage, Lavigne announced their separation on her Instagram page. [1]

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@Promghost07:  Done Thanks for your request, and, by the way, welcome to Wikipedia! —Skyllfully (talk | contribs) 20:13, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2015

I would like to add two sentences to the Music Style and Songwriting section. After the sentence "In January 2008, the lawsuit was closed after a confidential settlement had been reaches" I would like to add "In 2009 Avril Lavigne created a stripped down rock record. One song on the record “Darlin” was the second song that she ever wrote when she was 15." This information was from a Rolling Stones Article published in 2009.

Mac2018 (talk) 06:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Already done That record is Goodbye Lullaby and is already thoroughly discussed either in that section or on the album page Cannolis (talk) 16:01, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 January 2016

119.94.98.13 (talk) 02:28, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2016

I have additions/edits to three sections of Avril Lavignes page...

Please add to "She also began writing her own songs. Her first song was called "Can't Stop Thinking About You", about a teenage crush, which she described as "cheesy cute"" from the early education. Please add that part of her lyrics included '"I'm only fourteen years old/Really, I'm not that old." My mom loved that line.' This as also the first song she ever wrote. This information is from → http://search.proquest.com.ezproxy1.library.arizona.edu/iimp/docview/1193505/599FFB5296AD4DAFPQ/1?accountid=8360

Please add to "During a performance with the Lennox Community Theatre, Lavigne was spotted by local folksinger Stephen Medd. He invited her to contribute vocals on his song, "Touch the Sky", for his 1999 album, Quinte Spirit. She later sang on "Temple of Life" and "Two Rivers" for his follow-up album, My Window to You, in 2000." in the Music Career: 1999-2001 Early Performances and Record Deal. Please insert somewhere in this sentence that her appearances with Stephen Medd were some of her earliest performances and recordings with that singersongwriter. This information is from → http://search.proquest.com.ezproxy1.library.arizona.edu/docview/1196641/8F2D1F145CCE43EBPQ/3?accountid=8360

Please add to "The relationship blossomed after they began working together in March 2012 to write and record music for Lavigne's fifth album.[202][205][204] Lavigne and Kroeger became engaged in August 2012, after one month of dating." from the Chad Kroeger section. Please include that as she was getting escorted out of a bar she was drinking in when she was seventeen years of age that she saw Chad from Nickelback, this was her first time ever seeing him. This information is from → http://search.proquest.com.ezproxy1.library.arizona.edu/iimp/docview/871375068/A6798AA7A0C54A53PQ/1?accountid=8360

Lexiimiss (talk) 00:19, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Not done for now: Cannot verify. Please provide full citations for your references. The links you provide require a University of Arizona log in to access. Please give the journal name, article title, etc. so it can be searched by others (or the DOI would work too) EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 19:51, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

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Album done

it might be a good thing to mention that she has said she has finished her 5th album as stated in this interview with 106.5 mix"her new album, produced by L.A. Reid is done, but won’t be out for a bit."

Read more: Jojo and Reagan Catch Up With Avril Lavigne http://mix1065fm.radio.com/2012/04/10/jojo-and-reagan-catch-up-with-avril-lavigne/#ixzz1rym9eUdU the article also mentions her new nail polish and working on her foundation. would like to see if there is anymore information on her new shoe line. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.117.216.73 (talk • contribs) 04:04, 14 April 2012‎

Hello can anyone please update Avril album sales?she has sold more than 40M albums or at least 35Malbums .Thank You Lilbeehives (talk) 18:56, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2016

Please remove Avril Lavigne from the Category: People with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, and please remove the sentence "She has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).", because it is sourced with an unreliable source. The given source added the words "(Attention Deficit Disorder)" in a quote of Lavigne, but she didn't said those words in the brackets. In the interview (@4:30) where this quote actually was taken from, she answered to a question about the difficulties to live in a foreign country. It's obvious that she used the words "I'm super-ADD" to paraphrase her nervousness in the described time period of something "like a month". "super-ADD" isn't a medical diagnosis, therefore please undo the original research in the article. 212.95.7.16 (talk) 11:24, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Done I agree, based on the source and actual quoted it's quite clear that it's not a medical diagnosis but a common expression people use. Sir Joseph (talk) 13:43, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2016

In the third paragraph under the heading "2002–03: Let Go", there is an internally inconsistent statement. It states "Lavigne became the second artist in history to have three number-one songs from a debut album on Billboard's Mainstream Top 40 chart."

However, in the previous statement it seems clear that the singles "Sk8er Boi" and "I'm with You" only reached the top ten. Therefore, the phrase "three number-one songs" should read "three top-ten songs", or the previous statement should be clarified.

184.158.38.63 (talk) 18:36, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Fixed. White Arabian Filly Neigh 20:42, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
Done by White Arabian Filly, maybe he forgot to mark as answered. INVISIBLEknock! 15:15, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
Oops. Yes, I forgot to check it as being answered. White Arabian Filly Neigh 20:07, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2016


Gambarhoror888 (talk) 17:19, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Avril album sales in US have been updated by RIAA&Billboard and she has sold more than 12,4M albums in US alone and for her worldwide sales she has sold more than 40M album i hope wikipedia will updated her album sales.Thank You

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  22:36, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Notification

I have replaced another photo of Lavigne from 2011, to a better one where her face is more visible and better lighting. The photo has a license https://www.flickr.com/photos/xdanger/5702309920/in/photostream/ troublednbored (talk) 15:43, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Main Picture

That is a bad picture of her, can someone change it back to the previous one, please? Kalope (talk) 00:51, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Whilst you haven't given a substantial enough reasoning to change the lead image, there was no real reason to change the image in the first place, so I'm going to have to. 4TheWynne(talk)(contribs) 04:45, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Oh, why shall that have been a bad picture? Because it was shot by User:Toglenn, propably the best Commons photographer ever, or because it has been a portrait photo showing her face from the front as every proper article should start with? There are enough pictures during the article showing her on stage. Hiding her face in the very first picture doesn't make any sense. (For the following article it could actually be a nice picture.) --SamWinchester000 (talk) 05:30, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

P. S.: There are of course alternatives like (randomly picked) that, that or that one, although none nearly reaching the quality or currentness of Toglenns′. --SamWinchester000 (talk) 05:42, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Look below at "Notification". troublednbored (talk) 06:53, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I'v even linked to your upload. ;) Yet, Toglenn's (Glenn Francis's) is still my favorite. --SamWinchester000 (talk) 16:18, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2016


Hello, Avril Lavigne divorced with her husband last year so I believe that you can update her martial status from 2013-2015.

^_^

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Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. The references in the article state that she separated last year, not divorced - Arjayay (talk) 07:24, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2016

Please remove the sentence "In first grade, she was diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and prescribed Ritalin, which she still takes as an adult.", because Admin Doug Weller identified the given source already as a copyvio. 212.95.7.3 (talk) 15:28, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

I've deleted it. It was sourced to a copy of a gossip magazine, Fairlady, which doesn't qualify as a source for a BLP article. Doug Weller talk 15:47, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Dates

Can someone please enlighten me on why dmy dates are used in the article? I understand she has French citizenship, but she is "primarily" Canadian, having been born there and lived there until her rise to fame and earned French citizenship later. Shouldn't that qualify the article using mdy dates instead? Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 07:20, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Legacy and Vocal

I hope Wikipedia will make a Legacy topic for Avril LAvigne and also about her vocal range.Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Godneybjs (talk • contribs) 14:22, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2016

2.183.0.247 (talk) 18:32, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 21 December 2016

2.184.87.160 (talk) 15:56, 21 December 2016 (UTC)  i think avril lavigne has no children
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Nationalities

As written in "French citizenship" part, she is a french-canadian singer and not only a canadian. Initial text have to be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.124.165.3 (talk) 17:33, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2017

I think the current main page image of Avril Lavigne should be changed for the reasons: It is over 4 years old, I think that this is a bad image, shot at an awkward angle and misrepresents the true beauty of Avril Lavigne. I think a photo from 2017 or 2016 would be more adequate, she has a new album coming in 2017, so there could be loads of pictures up for grabs. Or at least an image from 2016 would be ok such as: #REDIRECT [[2]] Jeml81198 (talk) 22:12, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

@Jeml81198: Any photo will need to be freely licenced. We can't just use anything that shows up in Google. If you can find a picture that is usable, please upload it to Commons at WP:UPLOAD and then it can be added to the article. RudolfRed (talk) 23:02, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
@RudolfRed: I managed to get this image I think it will be perfect, it has not got copyright on it, it is from 2015 which is much more recent and up to date.
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Conspiracy theory

Does the ridiculous conspiracy theory need mentioning / debunking in the article? According to the BBC it's trending again. JezGrove (talk) 19:10, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Darn right it does need mentioning! It meets WP:RS, is interesting, and I personally think it's hilarious. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 03:02, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

I'd heard rumours about the theory a while back, but actually found an article that explains it and its origins online yesterday. It was a deliberate hoax started on a blog to prove that people are gullible and need to not just accept something at face value and run with it. It's subsequently been debunked by the originator, together with an explanation, but it went viral and people apparently *still* believe it. What was the consensus on adding it to the article, because I see there's currently no mention? Here's the link to the article I found: https://www.indy100.com/article/avril-lavigne-dead-conspiracy-theory-back-twitter-viral-melissa-vandella-7736211

Cadar (talk) 06:57, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Done. Robert (talk) 05:14, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2018

GRAMMAR FIX - In the end of the first sentence of the second paragraph of the section "2006–2008: The Best Damn Thing", replace "achieving" with "achieved". It should be past tense. Thank you. Decisiveness (talk) 05:07, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 13:45, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2018

As of these few years, Lavigne had become a viral trend of Consipracy theories, audiences suggesting that due to her huge break from her career to rest from her illness, that she had a clone named 'Melissa' to take her place in her usual activities, fans even going as far to say her music had changed and Lavigne herself looked physically different. The theory facts had extended to that Lavigne had actually died and Melissa had replaced her altogether. During a chat with Australia’s KIIS 106.5 radio station[5], Lavigne addressed this issue, however, there have been controversial talk about this chat itself as there were suspicions that her voice sounded robotic and the line was disrupted by disturbing static noises. This is an ongoing controversy and is still addressed today. Anon petal girl (talk) 14:00, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 14:07, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 Not done. (Also answering because there might have been confusion with the section headers). It's not clear what changes you want to make; please be more precise. However, there's little-to-no encyclopedic value in supermarket checkout line-level tabloid rumors. The second part of the statement also contains WP:WEASEL words and is unsourced. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:18, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://finance.yahoo.com/news/avril-lavigne-kicks-off-fundraising-150000423.html
  2. ^ http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-style/news/avril-lavigne-to-debut-abbey-dawn-accessories-on-kimora-lee-simmons-justfabcom-201292
  3. ^ http://www.theavrillavignefoundation.org/
  4. ^ http://www.abbeydawn.com/
  5. ^ "Avril Lavigne responds to conspiracy theory that she's actually a clone". nme.

Father’s French citizenship/ancestry

This article seems to self-conflict regarding her father’s background in the Childhood section. She obviously didn’t get French citizenship by virtue of French Canadian heritage - that’s everyone descended from French settlers 300 years ago! The article for French nationality law specifically excludes Québécois as well.

My only guess is that her grandparents or someone were actually born in France, making her technically French-Canadian, but not in the way that term is actually used. A lot of the links seem to be broken and Google isn’t turning up anything. Anyone know? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LilPeech (talk • contribs) 11:25, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Details tightened

Hello, I have tightened a few of the recently-added details. It is best for us to use WP:SECONDARY sources, and when faced with a quote, to paraphrase and summarize it, rather than scoop the whole thing into this (long) article. In particular, Lavigne's Tweet about "Hello Kitty" is, uh, rambling a bit, and we can write more in the song's article rather than this BLP. For the "conspiracy theory" bit, again, Lavigne's quote is easily condensed to one word, as I have done. Thanks for your attention in keeping this article focused and concentrated on the "big picture" rather than getting into the weeds of trivia and details. Elizium23 (talk) 00:43, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Citizenship

If Lavigne is a French citizen, doesn't that technically make her Canadian-French? I'm Irish with French citizenship, and I'd consider myself Irish-French.

I don't understand why there's so much debate over this. Just because she hasn't lived in France doesn't mean she isn't French- I myself have never lived there, but that doesn't negate my French nationality. Calebh12 (talk) 18:08, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Edit request, 18 March 2019

Please remove the link to "timeoutabudhabi.com". It was recently added, does not appear to be a WP:RS of any kind, and judging from the editor's talk page warnings, is likely WP:SPAM instead. 70.162.235.236 (talk) 00:12, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done NiciVampireHeart 09:50, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Avril Lavigne for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Avril Lavigne is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at this MfD discussion page until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America1000 23:17, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Edit request, 20 March 2019

The caption for the following photo is incorrect: Lavigne in Vancouver during her promotional tour for Under My Skin in 2004

 Not done: per the photo description page. NiciVampireHeart 09:38, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
The photo description page was wrong and that much is obvious because (1) Avril posing by herself with an acoustic guitar on a blank stage is clearly from a mall tour and not a staged large-venue concert tour; and (2) the date of the photograph, cross-referenced with tour dates, clearly indicates her appearance in the mall at Burnaby during the "Live By Surprise" tour and not the later "Under My Skin" tour. 2600:8800:1880:FC:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 18:25, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 Not done: again per the photo description page. The original upload on flickr has since been deleted, but an archived version [4] backs up the current wording on the photo description page and in the article. Your changes constitute original research and will not be implemented. NiciVampireHeart 22:52, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, but the photographer's caption is not a reliable source. Lavigne was not in Vancouver on April 6, 2004, she was in Burnaby. Lavigne never went to Vancouver for any promotional tour, so the caption is self-contradicting. Here are some photos from the same event for comparison:
However, if you are inclined to believe the photographer, here is her web page where she describes her experience - tagged with "burnaby" "metrotown" "seeking avril". 2600:8800:1880:FC:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 02:49, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
So the nuance is that Burnaby is part of Greater Vancouver and the locals may say they are "in Vancouver" when they are not in the city proper. Therefore, a wikilink to Vancouver is incorrect, so if you'd like to change it to say Greater Vancouver, that will suffice. 2600:8800:1880:FC:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 03:14, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
Here is an album of photos of her Vancouver concert in 2003. White tank top - no guitar - wireless mic - standing up - dark stage with lighting effects. This does not look like our "Vancouver" photo one bit. 2600:8800:1880:FC:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 03:27, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
Closing as stale. Can be reopened if the OP wants to reopen it. — MRD2014 (talk) 22:55, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

why on earth is this needed in the article: (/ˈævrɪl ləˈviːn/; French: [avʁil laviɲ];

She is not French and does not look French either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.239.132 (talk) 21:28, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

How does someone look French? Not all French people are tanned and anyway she is French, there are many people of French heritage in Canada. --2001:BB6:7A2E:7B58:8D4F:A0A7:E555:38D7 (talk) 18:47, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Removal of piano as an instrument from the infobox

@Binksternet:. I thought this section of the infobox was for instruments the person plays? It does not state 'instruments famous for playing'. Firstly, where are you getting this criteria from? Secondly, if this is correct why are keyboards and drums there? As far as I'm aware she is not famous for playing either one of them. Helper201 (talk) 17:11, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

The infobox is for critically important information. The article body is where you can put other stuff. Binksternet (talk) 17:15, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
@Binksternet:, sorry but I don't think that answers either one of my questions. Helper201 (talk) 17:17, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
At WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE we are instructed that the infobox is meant to show a summary of "key facts" – important article information. If it's not important it doesn't go.
Feel free to remove any unimportant information you find in the infobox, for instance keys and drums. Binksternet (talk) 17:24, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
These guidelines are quite subjective visa how much importance is placed on each instrument / how well the artist is known for playing it. I'd argue playing an instrument more than once live at concert is enough to list it. In this case I don't think it over-clutters the infobox or makes it any harder to read, so I see no downside to including it. Ignore all rules is important to remember. If it has no disadvantage to include it then why not? Our general goal as editors is to improve Wikipedia, such as by adding more detail, and as IAR says, "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it". Of course I'm open to hearing other editors views for how well she is known for playing the piano, as well as the keyboard and drums. Helper201 (talk) 17:33, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
If we are going to include about the drums, keyboard and piano in the main body, where do you think it should go, as I see no obvious place, since its not year specific? Helper201 (talk) 17:42, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Backing band needs references

For obvious reasons, the "Backing band" timeline and list requires reliable secondary sources for verifiability. I know it is a fan's labour of love to maintain these timelines, but peons like me need to be able to point to sources that show who was in the band and when they were in it (and when they left it, as well, as there have been recent changes.) Elizium23 (talk) 05:58, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2019

The commas are in the wrong place. It should be changed to "By 15 she had been on stage with Shana, and by 16 she..." I know it's small, but misplacement of commas can make things hard to understand for people. 75.165.24.249 (talk) 21:39, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. A search for "by 15" revealed no hits, so I don't know what you want to change. Please be more precise with your request. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 23:30, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2020

Remove the line at the end of the 2nd paragraph "Since her professional debut, Lavigne has sold more than 40 million albums and over 50 million singles worldwide, making her the third-best-selling Canadian female artist of all time, behind Celine Dion and Shania Twain." The source that this cites is incorrect. While I don't know the comprehensive list of female Canadian artists to know exactly what her rank would be, it is definitely not third. Alanis Morissette has sold around 60 million albums, and Sarah McLachlan has also sold 40 million. So at the very least she is tied in 4th place with McLachlan, not accounting for any other female Canadian artists. 202.172.110.117 (talk) 03:51, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. Please provide reliable sources that support this change (and be specific with what change to make). –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 04:00, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
About the sources used to back this claim: narcity.com looks like some kind of blog and probably no editorial oversight. avrillavigne.com must be disqualified from supporting this claim per WP:ABOUTSELF. The IP is right, we need better sources before we can continue to retain this claim in the article. Elizium23 (talk) 04:16, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Tattoos

It is plainly evident, by looking at the infobox image, that Lavigne has multiplied her tattoos, at least those on her arms, as of 2019-20. The section claims that most of them are paired with friends, but I am not sure that is true, ten years on. We'll need new documentation of her new ink here. I've tagged the section accordingly. Elizium23 (talk) 02:36, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2020

Machine Gun Kelly link page needs changed to Machine Gun Kelly (Musician) 5.65.132.24 (talk) 03:07, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done Elizium23 (talk) 03:09, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Verb tense

Per MOS:TENSE and MOS:BLPTENSE, in general, verb tense should be in the present. In this case, for songs, albums and videos, they are works that exist in the present, so past tense should be avoided. Elizium23 (talk) 14:02, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2021

Hello it seems that Avril Lavigne is now dating Modsun, he posted photos of them together on his official Instagram post March 13th 2021 stating her as his love. 2601:40D:8100:F8F:5BF:7DD:72C6:3850 (talk) 00:11, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. JJP...MASTER![talk to] JJP... master? 15:20, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Nationality in the lede

Consensus to list Lavigne's nationality in the lead as simply "Canadian". Regards  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 08:19, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I'm putting this section here because I noticed that Lavigne's lede has been changed and edited to describe her as being "Canadian" and other times, "Canadian-French/French-Canadian". I think it would be best to leave her lede at only saying "Canadian". According to her article: Her father is French and she got her French passport in 2011. But beyond that, she was born and raised in Canada and rose to prominence in Canada/America.

Her info box already mentions her citizenship and her Personal life has a whole section talking about this info. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 19:59, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Clear Looking Glass, so what? Her dual citizenship is clear, and deserves mention. Elizium23 (talk) 08:40, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

@Elizium23: - If you didn't read my post, her info box and her Personal life section Avril_Lavigne#French_citizenship already mention she has French citizenship. Apart from getting French citizenship in 2011, her being French is irrelevant to her notability and shouldn't be listed in her lede, WP:BIOLEAD. She was born and raised in Canada and gained notoriety in Canada/America. As an example: Kristen Dunst's father is German and she has German citizenship, but her lede doesn't describe as being "German-American" because aside from getting German citizenship in 2011, she was born/raised, resides and works mostly in America/American productions. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 03:25, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

@Clear Looking Glass: I agree with @Elizium23:. What about Camila Cabello or Heidi Klum? Cabello describes as Cuban-American even though she wasn't raised in Cuba and wasn't born in America. Klum describes as German-American even though she wasn't born and raised in America. Even Yolanda Hadid describes as Dutch-American even though she's just be an American citizen recently. Why can't Avril describe as Canadian-French like the others? I think it doesn't matter about where she was born or works most of the time, it's about what passports she's holding. (Bistymings (talk) 14:45, 30 November 2020 (UTC))

@Bistymings: - Aside from having American citizenship, Heidi Klum has been working in America since the 1990s and is arguably most well known for being a Victoria's Secret Angel, from 1997 to 2010. As well as appearing in the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue. Both American companies. Camila's article says she was born and raised in Cuba and has Cuban citizenship. She later moved to the United States, got American citizenship in 2008 and attended high school in America. She now lives in America and as far as her career goes, is most active/prominent in USA, which is why her lede says she's "Cuban-American". Yolanda was born and raised in the Netherlands, as well as getting her start as a model there, but she is now living and working in America (along with getting US citizenship) and is best known for being a member of The Real Housewives franchise. Avril on the other hand doesn't have any notable connection to France beyond her passport, and her article already explains her citizenship. Actress Isabela Moner is an American who also has dual Peruvian citizenship because of her mother, but her lede just says her American because that doesn't bear any relevancy to her prominence, as explained on her talk page. Which explains the WP:BIOLEAD. I'm leaving her lede at just saying Canadian. Maybe a moderator could come in here and for further discussion. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 02:23, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
Clear Looking Glass, your inexperience at Wikipedia is showing. There is no such thing as a "moderator" here. We are supposed to work these issues out ourselves. Policy and guidelines indicate that we can certainly accord Lavigne the proposed wording in the lede. Your arguments are not in accordance with the manual of style. Elizium23 (talk) 03:33, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

RFC: lede sentence

How should the lede sentence refer to Lavigne?

  1. Canadian
  2. Canadian-French (or French-Canadian)
  3. other? Elizium23 (talk) 07:02, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

RFC Discussion

  • Is the Canadian-French/French-Canadian lead intended to indicate that she is both a citizen of France and a citizen of Canada, or is it intended to point out that she is French Canadian? Option 2 may be confusing, as someone might expect this to mean that Avril is "French Canadian" (a specific subgroup of Canadian) when from what I read, it is intended to refer to her current citizenship status with France. Andromadist (talk) 22:39, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
    This topic is about her lede sentence and Wiki guidelines states that the lede is suppose to establish a person's career/location and nationality/etc, with ethnicity being left out unless that fact is important to a subject's notability. I'm not the user who started the RfC, but pertaining to the lede, the option of choosing "French-Canadian/Canadian-French" is suppose to refer to her having dual citizenship to Canada and France. On a tangent, there are other similar terms (for example, see Dutch Canadian, German Canadian, Swedish Canadian, etc) which can be used to refer to Canadian citizens of whatever heritage or someone who has dual citizenship to Canada and another country. But I've already mentioned the guidelines about the lede and ethnicity. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 04:21, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
    Andromadist, Lavigne happens to be French Canadian, but MOS:OPENPARABIO specifies that context is about location or nationality. It would be a happy accident that her citizenship and ethnicity match, but we would not want to link it thus, for that reason.
    We could also explain further, e.g. Avril Ramona Lavigne (/ˌævrɪl ləˈviːn/ AV-ril lə-VEEN, French: [avʁil laviɲ]; born September 27, 1984)[1] is a singer, songwriter and actress with dual Canadian and French citizenship. Elizium23 (talk) 04:58, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Thanks, based on that I'm leaning more towards the second half of MOS:CONTEXTBIO which instructs us thus: "The opening paragraph should usually provide context for the activities that made the person notable... if the person is notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national, or permanent resident when the person became notable" and thus have voted Canadian. Respectfully, Andromadist (talk) 15:06, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

On whether or not Avril Lavigne has ADHD if and only if Hilary Duff has ADHD (cross posted)

Currently the Hilary Duff wiki page says Duff has ADHD based on this article http://adhdclinicjeeva.com/jeeves-desk/9%20can%20we%20have%20your%20attention%20pls/attention-plese.pdf

However, the same article says Avril Lavigne has ADHD, but the Avril Lavigne wiki page doesn't say that Lavigne has ADHD. What's going on?

Thewriter006 (talk) 04:00, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hilary_Duff#On_whether_or_not_Avril_Lavigne_have_ADHD_if_and_only_if_Hilary_Duff_has_ADHD_%28cross_posted%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Avril_Lavigne#On_whether_or_not_Avril_Lavigne_have_ADHD_if_and_only_if_Hilary_Duff_has_ADHD_%28cross_posted%29

Thewriter006 (talk) 04:01, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Not sure if the magazine linked is reliable, but Avril definitely has ADHD. Her mother mentioned it in one of the documentaries about her (would need to verify which one). Wikipedia articles are not exhaustive, they are articles. If it possible that somebody, while writing Duff's article found it pertinent to include her ADHD diagnosis in her bio, while nobody did for Avril, which doesn't mean she doesn't have it. If you feel it should be included, feel free to suggest it as long as it respects Wikipedia's policies about biographies of living persons. Morien124 (talk) 18:31, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2021

I can edit it, right SuperStarChase (talk) 11:12, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Please be more specific about what changes you intend to make as your edits to other pages have been somewhat disruptive Robvanvee 11:24, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Avril Lavigne/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

Unfortunately, this BLP article has substantial sourcing issues and is tagged for needing updates. Such issues must be resolved in order for the GA criteria to be met. That's why I've opened a GAR on it. (t · c) buidhe 06:50, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello buidhe, I am interested in helping out with articles :) This one stood out to me, do I just go ahead and start? Thanks FlowerMoon593 (talk) 12:00, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2021

Home town is not Belleville but Napanee Ontario, a town east of Belleville 206.132.59.14 (talk) 01:38, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

 Done. ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 09:12, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

She has no Grammy awards

It says she has won 8 Grammy awards she was only nominated, while I believe she and Let Go at the very least deserved most of the rewards she was nominated for she hasn’t won any. 98.166.152.56 (talk) 22:41, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2022

Avril was born in Napanee Ontario not Belleville 2001:1970:56D9:7A00:9086:21A1:2B5C:28C8 (talk) 00:37, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:41, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2022

Change spelling of Irelend to Ireland in image of Lavigne touring Ireland. 2601:500:C300:F90:8DB:8210:11FA:483A (talk) 03:30, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done Thank you. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 03:34, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Isn’t she from Napanee?

Isn’t she from Napanee? 2607:FEA8:BE65:D00:444C:E146:DF5B:7317 (talk) 01:22, 27 February 2022 (UTC) 

Avril Ramona Lavigne was born on September 27, 1984, in Belleville, Ontario, Canada, and spent most of her childhood in Napanee, Ontario.Moxy- 03:19, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Influences

Just because someone mentions her positively in an interview doesn't mean she's been an influence on them, particularly not in the artistic sense that is relevant to this article. Rob Halford of Judas Priest, for example, is listed as being influenced by her despite him being a performer since before her birth and the cited quote simply saying that it's good that she's a popular female rock singer. The list of whom she has influenced needs to be cleaned up.172.87.33.194 (talk) 20:56, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2022

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:49, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2022

avril lavigne is now married to mod sun Bubblybows (talk) 01:26, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Elizium23 (talk) 01:27, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
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