Talk:Artyom

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Merge to Artem

It's just a different spelling, and I believe the articles shall be merged. Actually there was already attempt to merge by Ezhiki (talk · contribs) which 2 days leter was reverted by JohnCengiz77 (talk · contribs). Also, I believe, that spelling (romanization) with "e" is more common than with "yo", so the best is to merge into Artem --Hazzik (talk) 10:40, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I know I did attempt to do a merge a while ago, but I have since reconsidered. These are not just different romanizations of the same thing; the Ukrainian name is spelled (and romanized) differently than the Russian one. And while the alternative Russian spelling (and its romanization) does indeed match the main Ukrainian spelling (and its romanization), I just don't think mixing them together is warranted. Wikipedia often has separate pages for common variations of the same name; sometimes all such variations are combined under one anglicized spelling, but no such spelling is available in this case. Oppose.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 13, 2015; 12:16 (UTC)

Well, you're absolutely wrong. It's the same exact name - easily proven by the fact that it's not differentiated (at all!) when translating from/into Ukrainian, unlike Petr, for example. If I cross the border south into Ukraine - my name will remain exactly the same as it was in Belarus - «Артем». Please don't go crazy in derussifying - names are names. I was unpleasantly shocked when I typed my name into English wikipedia and was informed that I'm apparently spelling my name in a Ukrainian way and should go to a separate page. Stop it, it's stupid... Commissar of His Imperial Majesty, Metropolitan of the Politbureau CK CPSU, Serene Prince of the Council of People's Commissars - idio3. (talk) 02:45, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 4 April 2018

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The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page as proposed at this time, per the discussion below; as noted, the proposed target also contains content. Dekimasuよ! 16:42, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Artyom → Artem – It's the same exact name (Artem), as proven by my, and doubtlessly many other passports. Ukrainian language or nation has absolutely no unique claim on Artem, which is a common Eastern Slavic name. Commissar of His Imperial Majesty, Metropolitan of the Politbureau CK CPSU, Serene Prince of the Council of People's Commissars - idio3. (talk) 02:52, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the name is spelled and pronounced Artyom. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:41, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – malformed proposal, as the target is taken. Dicklyon (talk) 23:19, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. In addition to the discussion under section header "Merge to Artem", above, there is a fairly extensive exchange on this subject at Talk:Artem#Use of pronunciation or foreign spelling in selecting names. Because a number of Slavic given names have spelling variations (Russian has no "H/h" in its alphabet and Ukrainian has no "G/g") — names such as Bogdan/Bohdan, Igor/Ihor/Ihar, Oleg/Oleh/Aleh have sometimes been combined under the Russian variant, but have also had separate entries, with a section header "See also", pointing to the other variants. Name permutations are also common among non-Slavic names — "Elizabeth" is usually an English variant, while "Elisabeth" is usually a German variant. There are, of course, numerous others — Martha/Marta, Adolf/Adolfo, Alfred/Alfredo, Anthony/Antonio, etc. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:16, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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