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[edit]- World Statesmen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. The references used in the article only provide short descriptions. toweli (talk) 14:02, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Antik Mahmud (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No evidence or claim of notability. None of the sources provide the in-depth coverage needed for GNG. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 13:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. ~ Deloar Akram (Talk • Contribute) 15:40, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. No notability found for this student. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:33, 18 October 2024 (UTC).
- Vexxed (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not meet WP:GNG, article is mostly nonsense Polygnotus (talk) 11:10, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Unsure if this is about the same person [1], but there is a lack of sourcing. Sources now in the article are Yellow (iffy per Cite Highlighter) and red (non-RS). I don't see enough to keep the article. Oaktree b (talk) 14:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Oaktree b: that is about a Dutch hardstyle producer (Dijck Dessens), not an Irish youtuber (Patrick Rea). Polygnotus (talk) 15:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete About the only thing they appear to have been even borderline notable for is the North Korea video, and even there the sources are not brilliant (and WP:BLP1E applies anyway) . But in the end if the only available sources about his death are other social media posts, that suggests non-notability. Black Kite (talk) 19:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- CitizenLab (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not meet WP:ORG. Has been marked as problematic since 2020. Just summarizes the routine business activities of the company and its main offering. The awards do not contribute to notability as they lack articles themselves. I can't find sources with significant coverage of this company, like its particular influence on citizen engagement. 331dot (talk) 13:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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- What I suggest you look into and are most welcome to integrate in the page:
- Impact on engagement - all third-party sources where the company had no influence in what was put out:
- https://www.localdigital.gov.uk/case-studies/developing-powerful-tools-to-improve-local-play-park-planning-engagement-and-efficiency/
- https://www.newham.gov.uk/news/article/1202/newham-s-people-powered-places-becomes-a-world-leader-in-participatory-democracy
- https://ircai.org/top100/entry/ai-based-community-engagement-platform-and-analysis-by-citizenlab/
- https://www.peoplepowered.org/news-content/chile-institute-uses-digital-platform-to-engage-youth
- https://www.peoplepowered.org/platform-ratings
- Impact on engagement - company's own impact report, reporting on how it empowers the client community: https://impact2023.citizenlab.co/ Sören3300 (talk) 14:33, 17 October 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Sören3300 (talk • contribs) appears to have a close connection with the subject of the article being discussed.
- The first two sources are primary sources- users of your company's offering. The third seems to be a directory listing with a description. The people powered Chile story might be okay, but that's only one. The rating is not as it's not significant coverage. The company's own reports are primary sources as well. 331dot (talk) 14:41, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- @331dot IRCAI = International Research Centre on Artificial Intelligence (IRCAI) under the auspices of UNESCO, not just some directory listing website :) Sören3300 (talk) 14:46, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, but it's still not significant coverage that contributes to notability. Personally I never heard of IRCAI(not that's it's required I have heard of it) 331dot (talk) 14:47, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- https://wsa-global.org/wsa-awards/winners/#?year=2019&
- https://etion.be/kennis/aline-muylaert-wietse-van-rans-beeck-winnen-etion-leadership-award
- A former Obama administration official Beth Noveck is Chair of the board: https://www.lecho.be/entreprises/media-marketing/citizenlab-se-renforce-avec-une-ancienne-collaboratrice-d-obama/10241348.html
- @331dot IRCAI = International Research Centre on Artificial Intelligence (IRCAI) under the auspices of UNESCO, not just some directory listing website :) Sören3300 (talk) 14:46, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- - one of the leading platforms in the space: https://democracy-technologies.org/participation/citizen-lab-platform/ Sören3300 (talk) 14:44, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- The World Summit Awards have an article, so that works towards contributing towards notability(but the other awards listed should just be removed as they don't have articles). The award the founder received is for the founder, not the company itself. That's still two- we usually look for three with in-depth coverage. 331dot (talk) 14:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- And I didn't examine if they were press-release type articles. They seem to be interviews. 331dot (talk) 14:54, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Impact on engagement - all third-party sources where the company had no influence in what was put out:
- Delete per nom. Fails WP:NORG. Little in-depth coverage in independent, reliable sources. C F A 💬 14:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Very PROMO. The awards are non-notable, The sources given in the comment above are either primary, mentions only or PR items. I've tried .be websites, still only getting PR and their own web sites. Non-notable entity. Oaktree b (talk) 14:52, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Note, the company rep seems to have elected to vanish rather than engage with us. 331dot (talk) 15:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- It wasn't helpful when they keep posting PR links. Oaktree b (talk) 16:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- For interest's sake, the article was created by a different (and undisclosed) paid rep. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:43, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- It wasn't helpful when they keep posting PR links. Oaktree b (talk) 16:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - yet another advertisement for a SaaS-based startup. The sources (at least, the ones I can actually get to load or past the paywall) do not indicate this passes WP:GNG. ASUKITE 18:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom Cos (X + Z) 18:38, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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- History of Mozilla Thunderbird (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Significant violations of WP:NOTCHANGELOG, and I have reason to believe it also violates WP:UNDUE due to the article's documenting of all versions of Thunderbird, including every single beta version. Without the table, there is not enough content to justify the article's existence, at least currently. It also has longstanding issues, including a lack of reliable, high-quality, secondary sources as almost every single source is just a link to Mozilla's own release notes, which is in incredibly heavy primary source territory. I feel like so much focus has been put on filling out the table that it has been to the detriment of the article as a whole. - Evelyn Harthbrooke (leave a message · contributions) 07:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge into Mozilla Thunderbird#History and development per nom, release history table should not be included in main article. मल्ल (talk) 20:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Mozilla_Thunderbird#History_and_development: As the history is already covered at the parent article and this is a clear violation of WP:NOTCHANGELOG. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 01:23, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- David Michael Moses (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Notability unclear from sources in article. The news articles containing him are articles written about stories he was involved in as matters of Catholic interest, but do not show that he himself is notable. ~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs 20:13, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Keep: Meets WP:RELPEOPLE. Also, there are enough WP:SIGCOV to establish notability. The article is net positively good, and I don't need to do a source search.Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 20:46, 16 October 2024 (UTC)- How does it meet WP:RELPEOPLE? He is not a head of a major religion; he has not played an important role in a significant religious event that has itself received considerable coverage; has not made contributions to the philosophy of religion; and has not been recognized as an authoritative source on religious matters or writings. Neither is he a bishop or head of a large Protestant congregation. He is an associate pastor.
- Most of the coverage including him does not point out or demonstrate his notability as a person. I myself am a Catholic priest who has been mentioned or featured in a few Catholic news articles, but I am in no way notable enough for a Wiki article. ~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs 20:59, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete I don't see a WP:GNG pass (and WP:RELPEOPLE doesn't apply here). The closest I can get is two articles from Catholic News Agency (here, here), but we need multiple that are independent of the subject and each other, plus these aren't necessarily WP:SIGCOV of him. The rest of the sources are affiliated or unreliable blog-type sources. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:58, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment:: Do we all agree to redirect to List of American Catholic priests per WP:ATD? Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 04:15, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why it would be an appropriate redirect; no one who might be searching for him would be served by a redirection to an incomplete list that couldn't even include him. ~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs 13:54, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- I also fail to see the value of redirection as suggested. There are tens of thousands of Catholic priests in the U.S. and only a small fraction of them are notable. Thus, per WP:CSC, the selection criterion for this list is
Every entry meets the notability criteria for its own article in the English Wikipedia
, and Moses would not qualify as not qualifying for a standalone article. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- I also fail to see the value of redirection as suggested. There are tens of thousands of Catholic priests in the U.S. and only a small fraction of them are notable. Thus, per WP:CSC, the selection criterion for this list is
- I'm not sure why it would be an appropriate redirect; no one who might be searching for him would be served by a redirection to an incomplete list that couldn't even include him. ~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs 13:54, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for lack of WP:SIGCOV and not passing WP:MUSICBIO. None of the current sources (Catholic News agency reports) are independent of the Church, and I don’t see any secular reviews. If there was a review in either America or similar reliable religious media, that would go far to showing notability. I also don’t see any touring as a musician outside of Eastern Texas/Louisiana. Normally, I’d advocate for keeping or merging such articles - my record on AfD is pretty much on the inclusionist side of religious articles. However, I find myself agreeing with Dclemens1971 as to the lack of utility in a redirect to a larger list. If you find and better sources, please ping me. Bearian (talk) 03:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete then. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 09:39, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- SNEAKO (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable Internet personality whose only real claim to fame is being a gadfly. BEFORE returns mostly Sportskeeda gossip (centred mainly on feuds with other online personalities sparked by his hot takes), and practically nothing of use for notability (string: sneako). Sources in the article don't help a whit for notability, mainly due to being more of the same clickbait "news" as found in search. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 19:22, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Guardian, MMA Junkie, Pink News, Pink News Sources found with User:Superb Owl/Reliable Source Engine.
Keep, though this article needs a lotta work to incorporate these sources. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:01, 15 October 2024 (UTC)- Replace with mainspace article per मल्ल. @Oaktree b: I fail to see how a seven-paragraph introduction to the topic of "heterodoxy" using Sneako as a case study is "just a mention", not to mention the plethora of sources the introduction links to. While Pink News and MMA aren't the ideal sources, they all satisfy WP:SIGCOV with flying colors. Hence, I now believe that the article should be deleted, but with an endorsement of its notability and a move of the draft article to mainspace. Aaron Liu (talk) 21:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Sneako is only mentioned once in the article. That source is better for an article on "heterodoxy", not as a main source for Sneako. Oaktree b (talk) 14:24, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Are we looking at the same article? I see it dedicating 7 paragraphs. Per SIGCOV,
[s]ignificant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.
Plus, again, I provided other, very valid sources as well. Aaron Liu (talk) 14:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Are we looking at the same article? I see it dedicating 7 paragraphs. Per SIGCOV,
- Sneako is only mentioned once in the article. That source is better for an article on "heterodoxy", not as a main source for Sneako. Oaktree b (talk) 14:24, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Replace with mainspace article per मल्ल. @Oaktree b: I fail to see how a seven-paragraph introduction to the topic of "heterodoxy" using Sneako as a case study is "just a mention", not to mention the plethora of sources the introduction links to. While Pink News and MMA aren't the ideal sources, they all satisfy WP:SIGCOV with flying colors. Hence, I now believe that the article should be deleted, but with an endorsement of its notability and a move of the draft article to mainspace. Aaron Liu (talk) 21:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Not much of anything in RS... A mention here [2]. The Guardian above is also just a mention. The rest aren't showing notability. We don't have enough for this online personality/streamer. Oaktree b (talk) 20:16, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails WP:BIO and WP:GNG 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 20:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails WP:BIO. A better sourced draft already exists at Draft:Sneako. Relevant material can be merged there but the mainspace article should be deleted. मल्ल (talk) 20:31, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: The articles referenced in the mainspace article are enough to keep this in the mainspace. Please read all the references carefully and thoroughly. inaquout (talk) 19:01, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Your argument as article creator would have more sway if you told us which specific sources provide notability. Aaron Liu (talk) 19:03, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Jessica Reed Kraus (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG. This is also a second nomination. You might want to want check here [3] Ibjaja055 (talk) 06:20, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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- I am opposing deletion. Jacques Hendrik van Zyl (talk) 07:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC) — Jacques Hendrik van Zyl (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Keep: References 2 and 4 should be enough to establish notability, as both are significant and RS. Would be nice to trim the article down to its essentials, as it's vaguely promotional and contains too many quotes. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 10:49, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'll try and patch this up today with this feedback. NPOV is something I feel is a weak spot for my writing. (NB: ref 2 refers to the WSJ, and ref 4 refers to Semafor, if the reference ordering changes.) SWinxy (talk) 18:26, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as author. Kraus got a feature in the WSJ plus two profiles: in Semafor and, just today, in Mother Jones. She had two articles on her in The Independent and in Business Insider back in 2022. These should surely establish notability. SWinxy (talk) 18:26, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WeirdNAnnoyed and SWinxy. Sourcing satisfies WP:GNG. Sal2100 (talk) 20:26, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Jason Hennessey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No significant coverage in independent reliable sources to establish notability. The only reference in the article is Business Insider profile for Everspark, the company he founded. That source however, is just a blurb from Everspark itself. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Everspark. Whpq (talk) 03:48, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Thank you for your feedback regarding the article. While I understand your concern about notability, I believe this page has enough reliable coverage to merit its existence on Wikipedia. The Business Insider profile provides insight into Everspark, and while it may have some promotional aspects, it serves as a starting point for understanding the company’s significance.
- To strengthen the article further, I will look for additional independent sources to enhance its credibility and improve the overall tone. Your input is valuable, and I'm committed to making this page meet Wikipedia's standards. Aliumair435 (talk) 17:07, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- The above reply came up as 100% AI-written on gptzero.me. Left guide (talk) 11:58, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Netpolitik (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Doesn't seem to be notable topic, nor used by anyone besides it's creator. A Google scholar search nets only obscure papers besides Bollier's book. Plasticwonder (talk) 22:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Effects of Social Media on Youth (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A clear example of WP:NOTESSAY Ibjaja055 (talk) 23:14, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: An unsourced essay (no inline citations), feels like a high school term paper. Not for wikipedia. Oaktree b (talk) 19:37, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify: there's tons of sourcing available for this topic, but this brand new article as it stands isn't in the best of shape for an encyclopedia. However, the article isn't entirely junk either, some of it is actually well-written in encyclopedic tone and plausibly sourceable, which makes this a WP:PRESERVE situation. Take for example the "mental health" section:
Deleting would de-motivate a relatively new good-faith editor and throw away some of their good work, whereas draftifying would give them a chance to re-work it if desired and seek feedback from peers. Left guide (talk) 04:12, 17 October 2024 (UTC)Excessive use of social media has been linked to increased rates of depression, anxiety, and loneliness among teenagers. The constant exposure to idealized images and curated lives on platforms like Instagram and Snapchat can lead to body dissatisfaction, low self-esteem, and FOMO (fear of missing out).
- I'm fine with !draft if it goes that way. Oaktree b (talk) 16:47, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Mehazkim (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Based on the sourcing in this article, the organisation does not meet WP:NCORP. The Hebrew article isn’t any help in terms of additional sources that would show the topic is notable. There may be better sources in Hebrew that I can’t find, but if not I think this should be deleted, Mccapra (talk) 03:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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- It's a recognized association in Israel (link here & here), It's also known for it's political activities (some English sources: 1, 2, 3). I don't think the article should be deleted, but I'll respect the community decision. אקסינו (talk) 07:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ava Kris Tyson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A previous AfD last year decided that this article should be merged into MrBeast Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Tyson (2nd nomination), and was recreated this year by a user with only 54 edits total [4] While the misconduct allegations that have come out since that discussion have signficiantly enhanced the coverage of this individual, I still think that it should be deleted/redirected for a number of reasons. 1. This individual has basically only been covered in the context of coming out as transgender and misconduct allegations against them, which is entirely within the context of their relationship with MrBeast (WP:NOTINHERITED), and given that their relationship with MrBeast has ended it seems unlikely that they will get any followup coverage in the future. Both aspects are already adequately covered in the main MrBeast article. While this isn't technically a BLP1E, it's not exactly far off. 2. This article since its recreation has been a massive target for serious BLP-violating vandalism which continually comes back despite having been semi-protected numerous times over the last few months and seems unlikely to abate in the near future. Wikipedia has a duty of care towards BLP subjects and I do not think this page currently serves a useful purpose. Hemiauchenia (talk) 03:19, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- For clarity I am fine with the article being merged as suggested by others below. Hemiauchenia (talk) 19:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge This is a difficult one to judge. It is very close to BLP1E. I don't know if any (official) charges were made against the subject? The reason I ask is that if there are criminal charges then this may drag on and result in further information being added. Obviously, WP:CRYSTAL applies as to what might happen in the future. For now, I think this is as close as you can get to BLP1E and the article should be merged to MrBeast. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knitsey (talk • contribs)
- As far as I am aware, there are no criminal charges. Hemiauchenia (talk) 14:04, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- (Sorry for forgetting to sign, I sometimes forget when desktop editing)
- I've had a look around for anything else about the subject and can't find anything other than the recent accusations against her. It should be noted, that not all American sources are available in the UK. Knitsey (talk) 14:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge? Probably? I was expecting this to be a keep but adding "-beast -mrbeast" to the Google searches returns only non-RS stuff. Some of it is people involved with Tyson having their say, which is fair enough, but most of it is cynical drama content and other worthless slop. However, I do have a warning: Merging this will not stop the disruption. It will only move it to the merged article. We may even get an increase in disruption as the content would be in a higher profile article. That said, if it should be merged then we can't let that stop us. --DanielRigal (talk) 14:09, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- This articles content is basically already entirely covered at MrBeast#LGBT Issues (in the personal views section, where their gender transition is discussed) and MrBeast#Ava Kris Tyson (in the controversies section which covers the misconduct allegations), so I don't see how redirecting this article will realistically increase disruption if the content is already there. Hemiauchenia (talk) 15:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- ava uses she/her. 82.3.200.164 (talk) 00:49, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Any content in the page is merged into the MrBeast page already, and in the scope of BLP, I don't think it's great, although the semi protection has worked, so not sure about the BLP section, but given it's not adding much value given most content is already in the MrBeast page, I think it could be deleted. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (they/them) 19:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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- SugarGh0st RAT (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG. All the references are not reliable. Ibjaja055 (talk) 16:11, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Notice: I have added more references Arwenz (talk) 19:43, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Keep It seems like enough of the references check out, but I think more references and content are needed. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 19:03, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Manaf (Lorry Udama Manaf) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A non notable Internet personality who falls short of WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. He seems to be related to a notable event but per WP:NOTINHERITED that doesn’t count. TheWikiholic (talk) 14:04, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
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Keep There are many sources that prove notability, pass WP:GNG -- Spworld2 (talk) 9:44, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Ayisha Abdul Basith (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SINGER and WP:GNG. TheWikiholic (talk) 13:46, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep-Multiple sources having non-trivial mentions about article to maintain WP:GNG.Irshadpp (talk) 08:44, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, Youtuber fails WP:GNG, coverage is trivial, PR pieces. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 11:18, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I agree with this. Although there's one of citation that appeared as "Independent", that one her feature story on Gulf News, but the intent and tone of the writing is dubious to say the least. The rest of citations I can assure that they're indeed PR pieces which written surrounding her performance at Salim-Sulaiman's annual music event, "Bhoomi" 2022. So, even though I myself one of the contributor of this article, but my intention was to put some critical information regarding her affiliations and that time there was a "Citation Needed" in one of the section, even though I myself was surprised and confused by this article's existence. So, I'm in favor for deletion of this article. Also for @TheWikiholic can you check its article that on Bangla Wikipedia? Maybe you can asses that one too. Thank you. Salaam -dsab Drhyhanna (talk) 04:54, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- If I add her AllMusic's link, can it save this article from being deleted. But, there's a potential backlash regarding her AllMusic profile, it was created as part of submission by Salim-Sulaiman's Merchant Records, by their associated music agencies: Global Music Junction and Warner Music India. So, her releases that listed there were her releases/associated releases that under Merchant Records, not by her current contracted label, Andante Music. It's the link: https://www.allmusic.com/artist/ayisha-abdul-basith-mn0004311198#credits if you want to check. Please reply so we can discuss it further. Thanks for consideration. Salaam -dsab Drhyhanna (talk) 05:54, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Taylor Rousseau Grigg (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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May not meet WP:ENT or WP:SIGCOV. Minimal sourcing outside of her death. TJMSmith (talk) 01:52, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete I'm not seeing what makes her notable. Her follower count isn't especially massive in comparison to the highest followed on the app, her business ventures aren't notable. Rusted AutoParts 03:13, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- she passed away. This is pretty heartless to delete her autobiography. If you died you would want your legacy to live on. I know her husband would want this to stay up as well. 174.27.213.42 (talk) 07:04, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia don't delete you have many other non famous people on here that are minor influences. 174.27.213.42 (talk) 07:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with what is said above. Don't delete this article CallieCrewmanAuthor (talk) 14:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- she passed away. This is pretty heartless to delete her autobiography. If you died you would want your legacy to live on. I know her husband would want this to stay up as well. 174.27.213.42 (talk) 07:04, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep this is an edge case but there is more than passing mention coverage of the subject before her death and certainly after. Nnev66 (talk) 21:49, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Brooke Schofield (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Same issues as the podcast even if it's not quite as bad. Coverage is trivial and routine, there is nothing that meets all 4 criteria (independent, secondary, in-depth, reliable). Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: This Independent article, this Business Insider article, this PinkNews article, this BuzzFeed News article, and this Press & Sun-Bulletin article—which are all used as sources in the article—all seem to meet the criteria perfectly well. benǝʇᴉɯ 01:16, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Which criteria would you be using that the PinkNews article meets, Benmite? There's quotes from Schofield in there but virtually nothing about her. Alpha3031 (t • c) 04:38, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- I would honestly say that the PinkNews article probably meets all of the criteria. It's clearly independent from Schofield, it's a secondary source for what it's talking about (her relationship with Matt Rife), it's known for being reliable, and it's relatively in-depth about
the relationship between themthe claims she makes about her relationship with Rife even if most of what it says specifically about her is that she's a YouTuber, hosts the Cancelled podcast, and, according to her, "has an 'outie' vagina". benǝʇᴉɯ 02:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)- Are you sure you don't mean independent instead of secondary? Secondary means it contains analytic or evaluative claims on the primary sources (i.e. the Schofield quotes). Alpha3031 (t • c) 06:00, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- I would honestly say that the PinkNews article probably meets all of the criteria. It's clearly independent from Schofield, it's a secondary source for what it's talking about (her relationship with Matt Rife), it's known for being reliable, and it's relatively in-depth about
- Which criteria would you be using that the PinkNews article meets, Benmite? There's quotes from Schofield in there but virtually nothing about her. Alpha3031 (t • c) 04:38, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
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There doesn't seem to be much coverage of this company outside of trade journals. The NYT article mentions the company a few times but does not address it directly in much if any detail. CNN is one single namedrop. I can't see any way of meeting all four criteria of WP:ORGCRIT with multiple sources, unfortunately. Previously deleted by PROD in 2006. Alpha3031 (t • c) 07:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge with Tumbleweed Communications. DigitalIceAge (talk) 15:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Just for the record, I am not opposed to redirection as an ATD (and would have WP:BLARed had there not been a previous PROD) but I don't believe there is anything that is appropriate to merge. Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
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Reliability of sources is questionable, and otherwise unsuitable to be considered SIGCOV. Especially concerning given that this is sufficiently BLP-adjacent that the policy likely binds us. Even worse, the article text actually only bears the barest resemblance to the contents of the nearest footnotes, if even that, and the tone is such that even had we the sources to write a proper article, we may be best to start from scratch. The bluelinked hosts preclude A7, but perhaps G11 should be seriously considered. Alpha3031 (t • c) 10:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Daisuke Tsuda (YouTuber) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:NPEOPLE Paradoctor (talk) 07:12, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Appears to fail the notability guidelines for WP:NPEOPLE. JustARandomEditor123 (talk) 08:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Mr.Tsuda is a prominent figure in Japan's internet scene, with over 20 years of experience. From the early days of Twitter Japan's service, he has engaged in various activities as a "media activist(a term he coined)", creating the buzzword "tsuda-ru". He served as a forum committee member for Asahi Shimbun, one of Japan's leading quality media outlets, from 2015 to 2019, and in 2019, he was the artistic director for the Aichi Triennale, an arts festival organized by Aichi Prefecture, establishing himself as a significant presence in the public discourse. His activities have been recognized by public institutions, having been appointed as a member of various government councils and positions in the aforementioned Aichi Prefecture events. Since 2020, he has shifted his focus to his self-established YouTube channel, "POLITAS TV", where he operates as a political opinion YouTuber, engaging in a range of discourse activities. Therefore, he should not be deleted. MihariHarukaze (talk) 10:11, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Please point to the independent sources that show him being "a prominent figure in Japan's internet scene". Geschichte (talk) 10:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Follower Count on X (formerly Twitter): As of October 9, 2024, Tsuda's X account has 1.466 million followers, ranking among the top influencers in Japan. For comparison, the Prime Minister of Japan, Shigeru Ishiba, has 418,000 followers (Shigeru Ishiba X account), and the left-wing journalist Isoko Mochizuki, known as the model for the Netflix global series "The Journalist", has 319,000 followers (Isoko Mochizuki X account). This shows that Tsuda is one of Japan’s leading left-wing influencers (Daisuke Tsuda X account).
- Official Profile: According to a 2017 profile published by the public relations department of Aichi Prefecture, Tsuda has been active as an internet expert since the 2000s and has appeared in various mass media outlets. He has authored several books on the internet and has held positions as a professor at higher education institutions and as a member of various government committees (Aichi Prefecture PR Document).
- Asahi Shimbun Opinion Committee Member: Tsuda served as a member of the opinion committee for Asahi Shimbun, one of Japan's leading quality media outlets, highlighting his recognition in the world of public discourse (Asahi Shimbun Daisuke Tsuda Opinion).
- Mention in Ryukyu Shimpo: In 2018, Tsuda was listed as one of the "famous people (著名人)" in an article by Ryukyu Shimpo, Okinawa’s leading regional newspaper, indicating his influence is acknowledged even in regional media (Ryukyu Shimpo).
- Artistic Director of Aichi Triennale: In 2019, Tsuda served as the artistic director of the Aichi Triennale, an arts festival hosted by Aichi Prefecture. This event was sponsored by global corporations headquartered in Aichi Prefecture, such as Toyota Motor Corporation, further demonstrating Tsuda's public activities and societal recognition. (Aichi Prefecture Document, Triennale Report)
- This evidence shows that Tsuda is not only an expert on internet issues but also a well-known figure with influence across multiple fields. MihariHarukaze (talk) 12:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Uh, have you read WP:NPEOPLE? If not, please do now. While you're at it, you may find Wikipedia:Why is BFDI not on Wikipedia? instructive.
- BTW, that "Official Profile" you mentioned? That's a one-page chronological list of Tsuda's contributions, basically what you'd find as part of a CV. That's not significant coverage in accord with NPEOPLE. Paradoctor (talk) 14:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Selected as a Young Global Leader (2013): In 2013, Tsuda was selected as one of the “Young Global Leaders Honourees” by the World Economic Forum in Davos. (The selection list is available here)
- Appeared in FOX News (2010): In June 2010, Tsuda appeared as an expert in an Associated Press's article titled "Twitter a hit in Japan as 'mumbling' tweeters give micro-blogging a distinctly Japanese flavor", which was featured on FOX News. (The FOX News article is available here)
- Controversy at Aichi Triennale 2019: In 2019, Tsuda served as the artistic director of Aichi Triennale 2019, which featured works such as a piece that involved burning an image of Emperor Hirohito and a statue symbolizing "comfort women". This exhibition sparked nationwide protests, with critics labeling it "disrespectful" toward the Emperor. The controversy received extensive media coverage, and Takashi Kawamura, the Mayor of Nagoya, staged a sit-in protest in opposition to the exhibition's content. The matter was also discussed in the Japanese parliament, leading to a prolonged national debate. Tsuda faced widespread criticism from various sectors. (NHK article, Mainichi article)
- Keynote Speech at "Critics in Residence @KYOTO EXPERIMENT 2024": On October 8, 2024, Tsuda delivered the keynote speech at the "Critics in Residence @KYOTO EXPERIMENT 2024”, hosted by the Delegation of the European Union to Japan. The event's introduction describes him as "widely known for his critical writing about recent shifts in the Japanese and international media environment as well as for establishing his own platforms for independent journalism".
- Cited in Google Scholar: A search for "Daisuke Tsuda Media Journalism" on Google Scholar reveals numerous academic papers citing Tsuda, showcasing his influence in the field of media and journalism. (Google Scholar search results)
- Appearances on NHK Programs: A search for "津田大介" of NHK’s program database reveals that Tsuda has frequently appeared as an expert on various programs. (NHK Archives search results)
- Mentions in CiNii: A search for "津田大介" on CiNii, the academic database operated by Japan's National Institute of Informatics, shows several articles related to media, internet, and journalism that mention Tsuda, aside from mentions of researchers with the same name. (CiNii Research search results)
- Featured in Major Japanese Newspapers: A search for "津田大介" in Japan's three major newspapers (The Asahi Shimbun, The Nikkei, and Sankei News) reveals that Tsuda has appeared in numerous articles, excluding those concerning a Dentsu employee with the same name. (The Asahi Shimbun search results, The Nikkei search results, Sankei News search results)
- MihariHarukaze (talk) 17:49, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Please point to the independent sources that show him being "a prominent figure in Japan's internet scene". Geschichte (talk) 10:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Mr.Tsuda is a prominent figure in Japan's internet scene, with over 20 years of experience. From the early days of Twitter Japan's service, he has engaged in various activities as a "media activist(a term he coined)", creating the buzzword "tsuda-ru". He served as a forum committee member for Asahi Shimbun, one of Japan's leading quality media outlets, from 2015 to 2019, and in 2019, he was the artistic director for the Aichi Triennale, an arts festival organized by Aichi Prefecture, establishing himself as a significant presence in the public discourse. His activities have been recognized by public institutions, having been appointed as a member of various government councils and positions in the aforementioned Aichi Prefecture events. Since 2020, he has shifted his focus to his self-established YouTube channel, "POLITAS TV", where he operates as a political opinion YouTuber, engaging in a range of discourse activities. Therefore, he should not be deleted. MihariHarukaze (talk) 10:11, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: I tired a .jp website search, nothing comes up. This in a Korean paper [5] briefly mentions this person. Likely more in Japanese sources? I don't know. Oaktree b (talk) 12:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- In today's Asahi Shimbun Digital article titled "How did you view the party leaders' debate before the snap dissolution? With Daisuke Tsuda and Seiko Mimaki (スピード解散前の党首討論、どう見た? 津田大介さんと三牧聖子さん)", Tsuda appears as one of the experts. While there are differing opinions about Tsuda’s political views and activities, it is undeniable that he is a well-known public figure. MihariHarukaze (talk) 13:14, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- We require articles about him, not just him speaking on a particular subject, that's the issue. Oaktree b (talk) 21:14, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- WP:NPEOPLE:
"Notable" in the sense of being famous or popular—although not irrelevant—is secondary.
Paradoctor (talk) 14:09, 10 October 2024 (UTC)- (Reading the Wind) "If You Want to Exhibit the Comfort Woman Statue" - Editor-in-Chief Masato Inui (Source: Sankei Shimbun, August 6, 2019) Link to article
- Event Exhibiting Comfort Woman Statue in Aichi: Chief Cabinet Secretary Suga States "We Will Carefully Examine the Facts and Respond Appropriately" (Source: Sankei Shimbun, August 2, 2019) Link to article
- Daisuke Tsuda Apologizes: "The Situation Exceeded Our Expectations. I Take Full Responsibility." (Source: Asahi Shimbun, August 3, 2019) Link to article
- The Year of Survival for News Apps: What Will Determine the Winners and Losers (Source: The Nikkei, January 9, 2015) Link to article
- "No System in Place to Prevent the Director’s Judgment Errors" – Final Report on the Aichi Triennale (Source: The Nikkei, December 18, 2019) Link to article
- MihariHarukaze (talk) 15:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- All of these articles with the exception of the short third one only features the name ("津田大介") a single time. E.g. the last article is about the "After Freedom of Expression?" exhibition and mentions the guy once as a director. It does not provide in-depth coverage of him. Cortador (talk) 08:17, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- In today's Asahi Shimbun Digital article titled "How did you view the party leaders' debate before the snap dissolution? With Daisuke Tsuda and Seiko Mimaki (スピード解散前の党首討論、どう見た? 津田大介さんと三牧聖子さん)", Tsuda appears as one of the experts. While there are differing opinions about Tsuda’s political views and activities, it is undeniable that he is a well-known public figure. MihariHarukaze (talk) 13:14, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: The Japanese Wikipedia article has 59 references. Did the nominator and two delete !voters actually do a thorough inspection of every single one of those sources to validate their claims? Left guide (talk) 12:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't check all the sources, and won't be able to do so because I can't read Japanese. However, I bunch of the sources are Twitter links, some are YouTube links, a few don't feature the name of the subject or only feature it once. Some are even other Wikipedia articles, which suggests the sourcing situation isn't exactly stellar. Cortador (talk) 15:31, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NPEOPLE, and article only has 2 references. Babysharkboss2!! (I spread pro-Weezer propaganda) 14:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
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Left guide (talk) 15:08, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Twitter posts aren't helpful for notability purposes. The rest aren't even hotlinked, so I don't know what you want us to do with them. We don't speak the language. This is a wall of text that really does nothing for this discussion. Oaktree b (talk) 20:47, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- I second that. It should be put in a collapsed template. This discussion was already bloated enough, by replies from Mihari Harukaze who unfortunately can't distinguish between a source about the subject, a source mentioning the subject and a source from the subject. Geschichte (talk) 07:44, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ja.wiki references collapsed per above suggestion. Left guide (talk) 08:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- I second that. It should be put in a collapsed template. This discussion was already bloated enough, by replies from Mihari Harukaze who unfortunately can't distinguish between a source about the subject, a source mentioning the subject and a source from the subject. Geschichte (talk) 07:44, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Draft maybe? This [6] is a video, but in a RS. Suggests notability, but the sourcing is just copy-paste from the Japanese wiki, with no attention given to translations. Needs to be reworked. Oaktree b (talk) 20:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'd support a draft. While the sourcing of the Japanese article isn't great at surface level, we really only need a handful sources with good coverage. Hopefully someone who can read Japanese and/or knows Japanese sources better can chime in. Cortador (talk) 15:33, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Some of the links and material posted earlier in this discussion by MihariHarukaze may merit further examination. At first glance, it understandably appears to be a rather indiscriminate list of things that include the article subject's name, but this English-language book published by Duke University Press contains six mentions of the article subject. Left guide (talk) 22:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I am responding at the request of Left guide. Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
- A book and a PhD thesis from the scholar Elizabeth Rodwell:
- Rodwell, Elizabeth (2024). Push the Button: Interactive Television and Collaborative Journalism in Japan. Durham, North Carolina: Duke University Press. p. 12, 52–53, 75. ISBN 978-1-4780-2102-5. Retrieved 2024-10-20 – via Google Books.
The book notes on pages 12: "In parallel, it was of great interest to self-proclaimed “media activist” Tsuda Daisuke that while an estimated one-third to one-half of Japanese computer users engaged with any form of social media, Twitter use had expanded dramatically between 2010 and 2012 as individuals sought alternative means by which to exchange written and visual information."
The book notes on pages 52–53: "As prominent (self-described) “media activist” Tsuda Daisuke writes about nn, its strength lies in its capacity to allow viewers to interact with presenters, and with one another, simultaneously. Always seated behind his laptop during broadcasts, Tsuda, who appears regularly on both television and radio as well as nn, practices what he preaches by engaging fluidly with both embodied and virtual interlocutors simultaneously during his media appearances. Tsuda’s frequent commentary resembles media scholar Kitada Akihiro’s theorization of participation in these rapid-fire online communities as being more about the “pleasure of the social communication itself ” than the topics being discussed."
The book notes on page 75: "For media activist Tsuda Daisuke, this potential defines his interest in interactive technologies; YouTube, NicoNico, and similar platforms can introduce a broad selection of events to a diverse national body and inspire them to protest, volunteer, or otherwise mobilize."
- Rodwell, Elizabeth A. (2015). Push the Button: Interactive Television and Collaborative Journalism in Japan (PhD thesis). Duke University. ProQuest 2001550937.
The PhD thesis notes on page 4: "Nonetheless, it was interesting to me to see the extent to which the mass media flirted with such individuals, offering more prominent figures such as Uesugi Takashi and Tsuda Daisuke6 regular hosting gigs on (usually BS channel) television programs, and radio stations."
The 6th footnote notes: "In this dissertation I will follow Japanese and anthropological convention when referring to Japanese individuals, and writing their last (family) names before their surnames. According to American convention, Tsuda Daisuke would be Daisuka Tsuda, as Tsuda is his “last” name."
The thesis notes on page 48: "As prominent media activist Tsuda Daisuke writes about NND, its strength lies in its capacity to allow viewers to interact with presenters, and with one another simultaneously. Always seated behind his laptop during broadcasts, Tsuda, who appears regularly on both television and radio as well as NND, practices what he preaches by engaging fluidly with both embodied and virtual commentators during his media appearances–if not on NND, then on Twitter."
The thesis notes on page 117: "From the perspective of prominent (and self-described) media activist Tsuda Daisuke, this capacity represents social media’s inherent strength; YouTube and UStream introduce a diverse selection of events to a diverse national body, whose members may be inspired to take action or become involved."
The thesis notes on page 134: "Thus, it was of great interest to Tsuda that while in 2010 an estimated 1/3 to 1/2 of Japanese computer users engaged social media in any way, Twitter use in particular expanded dramatically between 2010-2012, as individuals sought alternative means by which to exchange written and visual information."
The thesis notes on pages 137–138: "Referring back to the historical absence of a “kifu bunka” (donation culture) in Japan, Tsuda addresses what he believes is a culture in transition: “Korekara ‘kifu’ ga būmu ni naru,” (The ‘donation’ boom is coming) he titles a chapter in one of his recent books. Within his formulation ..., America’s donation culture is one worth emulating. While he praises services like the Japanese crowdfunding website Just Giving, his acquisitiveness about the potentials of a distinctly Japanese means to fundraising leads him to society’s widespread use of Suica cards, ... In the meantime, he acknowledges that social media has made political action easier, but, ..."
The thesis notes on page 140: "Our Planet TV had recently held an FPAJ press conference without suffering negative repercussions, as had the Tsuda Daisuke-affiliated political group “Democracy 2.0”–although both of these groups benefitted from and were somewhat insulated by the accumulated social capital of their most prominent representatives. Tsuda-san and Shiraiishi-san both represent a credible and high quality journalistic body of work, and their integrity generally unquestioned."
The thesis notes on page 160: "In another case, the prominent and self described “media activist” (media akutobisuto), Tsuda Daisuke– instantly recognizable by his platinum-dyed hair (kinpatsu) and sticker-covered laptop–maintains a public schedule of appearances on his website (http://tsuda.ru/); indeed his circulation as a product, and the circulation of his work is sufficient that they must be subcategorized on the basis of television, radio, publications, etc. Like most contemporary media activists, he tweets avidly (@tsuda), and was not only an early adopter of the medium, but a vocal proponent of its adoption as a means to circumvent the mainstream Japanese press."
- Rodwell, Elizabeth (2024). Push the Button: Interactive Television and Collaborative Journalism in Japan. Durham, North Carolina: Duke University Press. p. 12, 52–53, 75. ISBN 978-1-4780-2102-5. Retrieved 2024-10-20 – via Google Books.
- Ishiguro, Tomoko (October 2019). "Daisuke Tsuda". Axis. Vol. 201. p. 71. ISSN 0285-8223. ProQuest 2303174793.
The abstract notes: "The perspective of artistic director Daisuke Tsuda that understand the necessity of an approach to free up the age of deadlock, and that events as media have great power in that respect is examined. Tsuda may be called a hero of the Internet era, and his new ideas that fully utilize the media and his ability to take action such as reporting symposiums via Twitter have given him quite a reputation. As he composes music, his network is broad. Although his contact with the fields of art and design is not strong, requests for attending panel discussions with artists and designers wanting to hear his story are not few. The unusual matching of Tsuda and artists brought moments of new discoveries and learning experiences to both sides. Thus, journalists and the media should learn how to build relationships between the creativity of the artists and the reality at the venue."
- "女性議員の比率向上へ街頭演説 津田大介氏ら" [Street speech to increase the ratio of female lawmakers: Daisuke Tsuda and others]. The Nikkei (in Japanese). 2019-04-10. Archived from the original on 2019-04-11. Retrieved 2024-10-20.
The article notes: "女性議員の比率向上をめざして活動するパリテ・キャンペーン実行委員会は10日、女性の参政権行使73周年を記念し、東京と大阪で街頭宣伝活動を実施した。東京ではジャーナリストの津田大介氏が演説し「男性も具体的な行動を始める必要がある」と述べた。"
From Google Translate: "The Parity Campaign Executive Committee, which works to increase the ratio of female lawmakers, held street campaigns in Tokyo and Osaka on the 10th to commemorate the 73rd anniversary of women's suffrage. In Tokyo, journalist Daisuke Tsuda gave a speech, saying, "Men also need to start taking concrete action.""
- "津田氏が芸術監督に就任 19年あいちトリエンナーレ" [Tsuda appointed artistic director of the 2019 Aichi Triennale]. The Nikkei (in Japanese). 2017-08-04. Archived from the original on 2017-08-04. Retrieved 2024-10-20.
The article notes: "3年に1度開く国際芸術祭「あいちトリエンナーレ」の2019年の芸術監督にジャーナリストの津田大介氏(43)が1日付で就任した。"
From Google Translate: "Journalist Daisuke Tsuda (43) was appointed artistic director of the 2019 Aichi Triennale, an international art festival held every three years, effective from the 1st."
- "芸術監督に津田大介氏 あいちトリエンナーレ2019" [Daisuke Tsuda appointed artistic director of Aichi Triennale 2019]. The Nikkei (in Japanese). 2017-07-19. Archived from the original on 2017-07-21. Retrieved 2024-10-20.
The article notes: "愛知県は18日、3年に1度開く国際芸術祭「あいちトリエンナーレ2019」の芸術監督に、ジャーナリストで早大教授の津田大介氏(43)が決まったと発表した。就任は8月1日付。芸術分野に詳し…"
From Google Translate: "Aichi Prefecture announced on the 18th that journalist and Waseda University professor Daisuke Tsuda (43) has been appointed artistic director of the Aichi Triennale 2019, an international art festival held every three years. He will take up his post on August 1st. He is well versed in the arts..."
- "ウェブで政治参加促す 津田大介さん(殻を破れ) 政治家は「ツール」 誰でも動かせる" [Encouraging political participation through the web - Daisuke Tsuda (Break out of your shell) Politicians are "tools" - anyone can use them]. The Nikkei (in Japanese). 2013-01-01. Archived from the original on 2013-01-05. Retrieved 2024-10-20.
The article notes "指定されたのは六本木ヒルズ49階の一室。ドアを開けると、金髪でパソコンに向かう横顔が飛び込んできた。名刺を交換すると、事務所の住所は庶民的な若者の街、高円寺。話してみると、印象はそちらに近い。ウェブと政治の関係について新たな取り組みを提唱するジャーナリスト、津田大介さん(39)だ。"
From Google Translate: "The designated room was on the 49th floor of Roppongi Hills. When I opened the door, I was greeted by a profile of a blonde man working at a computer. After exchanging business cards, I learned that his office address was in Koenji, a popular young people's town. When we talked, I got the impression that he was close to that. He is Daisuke Tsuda (39), a journalist who advocates a new approach to the relationship between the web and politics."
- "Dream HEART vol.323 ジャーナリスト・津田大介さん" [Dream HEART vol.323 Journalist Daisuke Tsuda] (in Japanese). Tokyo FM. 2019-06-08. Archived from the original on 2021-10-25. Retrieved 2024-10-20.
The interviews contains biographical coverage of the subject. The source notes: "今週ゲストにお迎えしたのは、今年の8月1日から開催される「あいちトリエンナーレ2019」の芸術監督に抜擢された、ジャーナリスト・津田大介さんです。津田大介さんは、1973年東京都のご出身。早稲田大学社会科学部をご卒業後、メディアとジャーナリズム、著作権、コンテンツビジネス、表現の自由などを専門分野として執筆活動を行っていらっしゃいます。近年は地域の振興、社会起業、テクノロジーが社会をどのように変えるかをテーマに取材を続けていらっしゃいます。2013年、世界経済フォーラム(ダボス会議)の「ヤング・グローバル・リーダー」に選出。現在は、早稲田大学文学学術院教授、一般社団法人インターネットユーザー協会の代表理事でもいらっしゃいます。"
From Google Translate: "This week's guest is journalist Daisuke Tsuda, who was appointed artistic director of the Aichi Triennale 2019, which will be held from 1 August this year. Daisuke Tsuda was born in Tokyo in 1973. After graduating from the Faculty of Social Sciences at Waseda University, he has been writing about media and journalism, copyright, content business, and freedom of expression. In recent years, he has continued to cover themes such as regional development, social entrepreneurship, and how technology will change society. In 2013, he was selected as a Young Global Leader by the World Economic Forum (Davos Conference). He is currently a professor at the Faculty of Letters, Arts and Sciences at Waseda University and the representative director of the Internet Users Association."
- "ユーチューブ「ポリタスTV」などで活躍する津田大介氏を囲む! 上田市の上田染谷丘高校を昭和38年に卒業した同級生が青木村で同級会!" [Surrounded by Daisuke Tsuda, who is active on YouTube "Politas TV" and other programs! Classmates who graduated from Ueda Someyaoka High School in Ueda City in 1963 hold a class reunion in Aoki Village!]. 東信ジャーナル [Toshin Journal] (in Japanese). 2023-03-12. Archived from the original on 2023-12-07. Retrieved 2024-10-20.
The article notes: "津田大介さんは1973年生まれ。ジャーナリスト、メディア・アクティビストとして活躍。ユーチューブ「ポリタスTV」の編集長として政治、経済、芸能など様々な分野の人と対談し、人気上昇中。メディアとジャーナリズム、テクノロジーと社会、表現の自由とネット上の人権侵害、地域課題解決と行政の文化事業、著作権とコンテンツビジネスなどを専門分野として執筆、取材活動を行っている。2012年から2020年まで放送されたNHKラジオ主婦向け情報ワイド番組「すっぴん」に2013年から2015年まで担当。"
From Google Translate: "Daisuke Tsuda was born in 1973. He is active as a journalist and media activist. As editor-in-chief of the YouTube channel "Politus TV," he has been interviewing people from various fields such as politics, economics, and entertainment, and his popularity is on the rise. He writes and reports on topics such as media and journalism, technology and society, freedom of expression and human rights violations on the Internet, solving local issues and cultural projects by government, and copyright and content business, all of which are his specialties. From 2013 to 2015, he was in charge of "Suppon," an information program for housewives on NHK Radio that aired from 2012 to 2020."
- "新サイト「ポリタス」で政治を可視化する! 編集長・津田大介氏に使い方と狙いを聞いた" [Make politics visible with the new website "Politas"! We asked editor-in-chief Tsuda Daisuke about how to use it and what it aims to achieve]. Diamond Weekly (in Japanese). 2013-07-18. Archived from the original on 2024-03-03. Retrieved 2024-10-20.
The article notes: "7月16日、政治家の審議会や国会、各種メディアでの発言を集め、トピックごとに分類して表示する新政治メディア、「ポリタス」のスマートフォン版が正式にオープンした。企画、制作、編集を務めるのがジャーナリストでメディア・アクティビストの津田大介氏。"
From Google Translate: "On 16 July, the smartphone version of "Politas," a new political media that collects politicians' comments from councils, the Diet, and various media, and displays them by topic, was officially launched. Journalist and media activist Tsuda Daisuke is in charge of planning, production, and editing."
The article notes: "つだ・だいすけ 1973年生まれ。早稲田大学社会科学部卒業。ジャーナリスト、メディア・アクティビスト。一般社団法人インターネットユーザー協 会(MIAU)代表理事。主な著書に『ウェブで政治を動かす!』(朝日新書)、『Twitter社会論』(洋泉社新書y)など多数。2011年9月より週刊メールマガジン「津田大介の『メディアの現場』」を配信中"
From Google Translate: "Tsuda Daisuke Born in 1973. Graduated from Waseda University's School of Social Sciences. Journalist and media activist. Representative director of the Japan Internet Users Association (MIAU). His main publications include "Moving politics with the web!" (Asahi Shinsho) and "Social theory on Twitter" (Yosensha Shinsho y). He has been distributing the weekly email magazine "Daisuke Tsuda's 'Media on the Ground'" since September 2011."
Cunard (talk) 09:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Nice work. Paradoctor (talk) 14:33, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Stephen Harrison (author) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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As much as I think Harrison's writing about Wikipedia is insightful, I simply don't think he passes WP:NJOURNALIST. He's not really been the subject of significant coverage. I don't think interviews or reviews of his books in student newspapers (Student Life) are sigcov. The Fix interview might be significant coverage, but I am unfamiliar with the publication. 1A is a podcast interview, which I don't think counts for notability. The Salon, Slate and HuffPost links are just to his journalism and obviously don't count. The New America link is the description of an event that Harrison was participating in, and I don't think its sigcov either. The WashU entry is a "look what one of our alumni is up to" post and therefore it's not independent or sigcov. The Yahoo interview is part of the Yahoo for Creators program, which has an unclear level of editorial control from Yahoo itself, and may be published with little editorial oversight like WP:FORBESCON, but I'm not sure, and I think its status as significant coverage is questionable. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: I don't find much beyond articles he's penned. Seems notable, but I don't find any sourcing we can use. Article now is mostly sourced to author profiles. Oaktree b (talk) 01:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: With the publication of The Editors, Harrison satisfies #3 under creative professionals. I also just added two more sources, including an ABC affiliate WFAA and NBC Bay Area. 1A (radio program) is not a podcast, it's a radio program. - Wil540 art (talk) 02:38, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- The Editors hasn't even received a proper book review by a professional outlet so I hardly see how it passes the part of #3 that says
such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews
. The book was notably also deleted when taken to AfD, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Editors (novel). I hardly see how being a guest on a radio or local television program is enough to pass GNG. Hemiauchenia (talk) 04:26, 9 October 2024 (UTC) - If you haven't looked at it already, something from [7] might be of use. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:53, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- The Editors hasn't even received a proper book review by a professional outlet so I hardly see how it passes the part of #3 that says
- I would like to see more input before making up my mind. Bearian (talk) 10:10, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: I mostly agree with Oaktree above. Simply having published a book is definitely not enough to meet point 3 of WP:NCREATIVE, especially when that book's coverage has been pretty minimal. Going through the article's sources - author pages don't establish anything, the Yahoo article is misleading as it's aggregated from a Substack, and I would not consider alumni magazines to be sufficiently WP:INDEPENDENT. There may eventually be enough coverage for an article on his book, but it doesn't seem like there's enough here for an article on him. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)Talk to Me! 02:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Regrettably (I think he's one of best WP-journalists around) I can't disagree. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:12, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- This [8] might be considered a partial GNG-point. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:37, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify per WP:ATD as it's possibly just a bit WP:TOOSOON. Continue adding coverage to the article as it is published, such as book reviews and author profiles. If no one updates for six months, it will get deleted. But if sufficient sources are added, it can get moved back into mainspace. Cielquiparle (talk) 20:59, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I have found next to nothing online that establishes notability for this organisation. The content could possible be merged to National Library of New Zealand as they seem to be the main drivers of the project. David Palmer//cloventt (talk) 02:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - Useful article with good citations of its own significance nationally in Aotearoa New Zealand public library services. I don’t think merging with the National Library of New Zealand article would be useful to either subject as the latter is mostly a legal deposit library not dealing with networked computer access.Rhagfyr (talk) 07:44, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete fails NCORP and GNG. All sources are primary. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete if Merge to National Library of New Zealand is deemed inappropriate. WP:USEFUL is insufficient to keep. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 21:10, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge with National Library of New Zealand. There are a few sources and I was able to find another short source but all together it's pretty weak. Where if merged with National Library of New Zealand it would slightly improve that article. Dr vulpes (Talk) 00:10, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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Fails to meet WP:GNG. The largest review I found is still relatively tiny. There is simply insufficient SIGCOV to justify an article at all, with the previous AfD citing mere announcements. What was good enough for 2011 is no longer good enough for 2024. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: The developer of this game is listed as a co-founder of Kixeye. IgelRM (talk) 19:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. I found a little more coverage of the game (here and here), which, while not exactly stellar, is sufficient to keep the article alongside the other sources. Cortador (talk) 10:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. WP:NOTTEMPORARY, what was good enough for 2011 is still good enough, unless there's a very specific guideline change that negates previous arguments. -Fangz (talk)
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- Keep, Fangz is right; getting discussed by academics and featuring so heavily (extended text about the game, and a statement that it was one of two games that inspired the investigation) in an MSc elevates it beyond run-of-the-mill game, and gives notability. Elemimele (talk) 11:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- To be clear, I was saying that the 2011 discussion was not up to 2024 standards, not that the article's notability suddenly "disappeared".
- To call the new sources trivial mentions is putting it lightly, I simply don't agree it stacks up. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:01, 19 October 2024 (UTC)