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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Despite repeated claims, the Keep views have not been able to point to any reliable sources establishing the subject had significant roles in multiple notable productions, nor refute the source analysis presented here. Owen× ☎ 11:43, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maria Juliana

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Bit part actor. Lots of social media driven puff piece, clickbait and paid placement article but fails WP:SIGCOV. scope_creepTalk 14:38, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 07:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Xegma: How does the subject pass WP:ENT exactly?— Preceding unsigned comment added by scope creep (talk • contribs)
They have worked in multiple films and television shows. Xegma(talk) 04:44, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to IMDB she has had a series of minor parts. No leading parts in any series or film. So currently fails WP:NACTOR. scope_creepTalk 14:03, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP: ACTOR requires significant roles, but not necessarily lead roles. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 14:16, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even in "Naan Sirithal" she is right down at the bottom of the cast list. I cant see how she is notable. Coverage is a PR. scope_creepTalk 14:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That particular role is certainly not a lead but could be considered significant. See plot Summary. (If ImDb cannot be used to establish notability, I don’t think it is fair to use it to establish non-notability) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 14:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Long established consensus states must be a lead role. On your comment about non-notabilty, you can't have both sides of the coin. This is where notability is proved, the final arbiter. If you have sources, post them up instead of relying on non-arguments outside consensus that doesn't add anything to the argument. scope_creepTalk 10:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Long established consensus states must be a lead role. No, that is simply not true. SIGNIFICANT, not necessarily lead (or change the guideline). As for the rest, no comment; thank you.. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For all intents and purposes that is what it means. scope_creepTalk 15:19, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely not. Lead roles are all significant but not all significant roles are leading roles and to state it is the same thing is obviously erroneous. But I'll leave it at that. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lead roles are significant, but significant roles do not all have to be lead roles. That incorrect claim reminds me of another user who lost one argument after another here for insisting on that. Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 17:58, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 09:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: Very much a non-notable actor, with bit parts. Nothing showing she's had a starring role in any project, which is the bare minimum needed for notability,. Articles are simply confirmation of presence in various film/television projects. Oaktree b (talk) 15:06, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How is she known exactly. Can you provide three reference that prove it? scope_creepTalk 16:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Non-notable actress. Fails WP:NACTOR. Poor to unreliable sources with 6 sources clearly unreliable and the remaining all are very poor with no significant coverage on the subject. These poor sources are all about how subject celebrated her birthday, thanking nurses on nurse Day, home tour and such. Subject has not made a significant achievement worthy of notice in her career and her career misses significant coverage in sources too. Fails WP:N. RangersRus (talk) 11:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: various significant roles (including in the main cast) in notable productions have her meet WP:NACTOR (and sources allow to verify this) so that deletion is not necessary imv. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment We will take a look at the references today and where the person is in the cast list, since there has been evidence free !votes for some reason like to 2008. scope_creepTalk 08:37, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I already did. You can add if you have something more to it. RangersRus (talk) 13:16, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source analysis
    • Source 1 How the subject celebrated her birthday.
    • Source 2 Unreliable WP:ICTFSOURCES
    • Source 3 thanks nurses on nurses day
    • Source 4 home tour for fans
    • Source 5 routine news on someone being slammed for using profane language on subject
    • Source 6, 7 Unreliable WP:ICTFSOURCES
    • Source 8 Interview, why the subject can not go back to nursing.
    • Source 9, 10 Unreliable WP:ICTFSOURCES
    • Source 11 article on "did the subject apologize to another contestant of Bigg Boss Tamil 1 reality show?"
    • Source 12 Subject dirty play against another contestant on Bigg Boss TV show
    • Source 13 subject slams social media users
    • Source 14, 15 makers deny the subject being part of their project
    • Source 16, 17 Unreliable WP:ICTFSOURCES
    • Source 18 subject posts a video of herself enacting a scene from a film
    • Source 19, 20, 30 announcement about subject to make "special appearance" (minor role) in a tv serie.
    • Source 21 about subject as contestant in reality show Bigg Boss Tamil Season 1
    • Source 22, 23 subject claiming herself for getting a strong role in an unnamed film but the makers denied the rumors in source 14 and 15
    • Source 24 announcement on subject to play a real life victim in an unnamed film
    • Source 25 Unreliable WP:ICTFSOURCES WP:IBTIMES
    • Source 26 a TV show inviting the subject as guest
    • Source 27 subject turning into VJ for a reality talent show
    • Source 28 has no mention about the subject and is about the controversy behind TV serial promo
    • Source 29 about participating in bigg Boss reality show.

Clearly nothing notable and no significant achievement in sources on her career as an actress. RangersRus (talk) 13:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yip. I didn't expect anything else. Lots of WP:SPS, lots of non-rs, PR pieces, social media driven refs, clickbait, the odd interview and some conjecture. All indicative of an actress right at the very begining of her career and indicative of being non-notable. scope_creepTalk 14:25, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I don’t see any significant coverage in reliable sources or evidence that NACTOR has been met (which would also require reliable sources). If a Keep !voter can provide refs to support their point, please ping me and I’ll reconsider. Toadspike [Talk] 08:56, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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