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Josiah Nelson Cushing

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Not well sourced, and of course, I couldn't find any in a WP:BEFORE search. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 19:11, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Centenary Action

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A poorly formatted article; most of the sources in the article and the before search seem to revolve around Helen Pankhurst. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:46, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Olga Kolobova

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. Possibly a case of WP:TOOSOON as she is young. Article is largely based on a single source which does have independent significant coverage. I was unable to locate a second source of equal quality. The other source is published by her employer and lacks independence. While this does not necessarily mean that she doesn't deserve an article, the Russian language wiki has no entry on this singer and the article is an orphan. It's possible Russian language sources exist that I missed, so if anyone knows a Russian language speaking wikipedian who is active on the English wiki, it might be good to ping them for an opinion. They might have better luck searching for sources. 4meter4 (talk) 18:15, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sanjay Singh Yadav

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Fails to meet WP:GNG and WP:NPOL criteria. The subject is only mentioned in a few news articles, and there is no significant coverage available. It’s unclear how the article has survived this long without meeting notability standards. Jannatulbaqi (talk) 17:50, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dokuz Sekiz Müzik

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Does not pass WP:NCORP. Mccapra (talk) 17:35, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ali Dee Theodore

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Previously Expired PROD. concern was: "Insufficient coverage in reliable sources; accomplishments relate to his company, not him, so he is not notable under WP:NMUSIC"—that still stands. This is just a largely unsourced database entry, and the provided sources do not talk about him but are generic product listing/database entries. Unless new & better sources are introduced, this individual does not appear to have enough sig, in-depth coverage. X (talk) 13:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Agree that the article as it stands could do with better sources - and quite a lot of work on formatting - but a quick google shows that he is notable enough and covered in news articles, Billboard magazine, etc. that qualifies him for inclusion. His music has been used a LOT in films, which makes him pretty notable. I don't have time to spend on improving it now but would like to come back to it if nobody else does. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:35, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

p.s. I would get rid of all of those long lists and just keep a selection of notable films. Else could draftify until it is up to standard. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:37, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify: I can't see sigcov of him personally (eg: for Billboard [1][2][3]), the format is totally unsuitable, and it's not clear at all to me what is significant. For example, He-man and the Masters of the Universe credits him for "title music" on IMDB, but when you dig he's not the main composer and there's a lot of people credited for title music[4][5]; there's no info on Hawkeye's December the 24[6]; he's in as an executive music producer for a season of Alvinnn!!! And the Chipmunks but not as composer[7][8]; he's third credited name on Underdoggs' See Me Rock It[9]. The only criterion that he looks to maybe pass is WP:NMUSIC#10 but it's likely to require a lot of digging to establish the evidence for this and to cut his article down to noteworthy works. ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 07:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Middletown Park, Indiana

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This is an older subdivision on the outskirts of Muncie, as explained here. Even the author of said work doesn't hold it a notable town, or even a town at all. Mangoe (talk) 16:43, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Government Degree College, Doda

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Fails to meet WP:NSCHOOL. The currently cited sources are not WP:SIGCOV. While searching, I wasn’t able to find reliable sources with significant coverage. GrabUp - Talk 16:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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JMN Medical College

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Fails WP:NSCHOOL. While doing WP:BEFORE, I only found passing mentions. The current sources do not provide SIGCOV. GrabUp - Talk 16:13, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Zygon

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I believe this subject fails independent notability. A search through News, Scholar, and Books nails various results for "Zygon", but the vast bulk of the results are discussing the episodes they featured in (Three of which have "Zygon" in the title) and are acting as individual analyses of those respective episodes. Nearly all sourcing mentioning the Zygons is only discussing them in the context of a wider review or analysis of the episode, and anything else that does exist is a trivial mention that isn't enough to build an article on. Additionally, all of the article's current sourcing is similar excerpts from reviews, with the only real claim to notability being David Tennant liking them (A minor bit of trivia) and a wasp being named after them (Which does not automatically indicate notability per numerous subjects who get animals named after them that also lack articles). A viable AtD is to the Zygon section of "List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens" where the bulk of the notable information on the Zygons as a species is already contained. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:04, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Krishnanagar Institute of Medical Science

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The institute fails to meet WP:NSCHOOL. The creator is an AP flag holder and has been creating articles like this one, which have no sources cited other than YouTube. The institute is claimed to have been established this year. GrabUp - Talk 16:04, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No reliable secondary independent sources on the page. Page does not satisfy the notability guidelines for organization. Fails general notability guidelines. Fails WP:NSCHOOL. RangersRus (talk) 17:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Andromeda: 1883

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Article about a film, not properly referenced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NFILM. As always, films are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to show third-party reliable source coverage about the film (reviews by professional film critics, production coverage, evidence of notable awards, etc.) -- but this is completely unreferenced, and even on a Google search for other sources I found primary source (IMDb, Rotten Tomatoes, Roku, YouTube) evidence that the film exists, but I found absolutely nothing in the way of reliable or GNG-worthy coverage about it at all.
Obviously no prejudice against recreation in the future if circumstances change, but a film's mere existence is not "inherently" notable enough to exempt it from having to pass GNG. Bearcat (talk) 15:26, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Bearcat isn't kidding when Nthey say that there's just nothing out there. Other than some routine database hits, some trailers, and a couple of social media posts, there's really just nothing. No objection to recreation if/when coverage becomes available, of course. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 16:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: No reliable and secondary sources to show that the subject pass Notability for Wp:NFILM Ibjaja055 (talk) 18:47, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Attractions

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No evidence of notability separate from Elvis Costello. Most information of importance already covered in Costello's page DeputyBeagle (talk) 15:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hill Top Educational Institute

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Delete – fails WP:GNG criteria. Notability is not established or even hinted in the article's content, and the references do not establish any notability – one is a link to a Google search, the other is a link to a web page with all schools in the area. It seems to be part schools in this geographical area with recently created articles on Wikipedia. It exists, but does not appear to be notable in any way. Ira Leviton (talk) 14:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kallakkadal

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This is not a distinct phenomenon, but rather a local name for swell surge used in coastal Kerala, also known by various names in other parts of the world. Presenting it as a distinct phenomenon is scientifically inaccurate. Additionally, this is not the Malayalam Wikipedia. Per WP:CFORK, this is an unnecessary content fork. The Doom Patrol (talk) 13:50, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Fair enough, and I agree that this would be better treated as a more general topic, but I note that Swell (ocean) does not actually contain the term "swell surge", and does not seem to cover this type of phenomenon. Thus more a case for rewriting and generalizing than for redirecting or deleting? --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:36, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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True Crime (series)

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Fails WP:GNG, no significant coverage of the series as a whole. Serves as a recap of the two game articles, and the development section of Sleeping Dogs. Goes against what is stated in the manual of style at WP:VG/POP#Remakes, expansions, and series articles:

Series should have at least three entries (more like 2.5 games if we're generous)
Should not be a mere summary of the individual articles (gameplay section is well written and compares the two games, it's just not supported by sources that cover the games individually)
Should cover other related media (no non-game media seems to exist for the series) Mika1h (talk) 13:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Austerby

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Really cannot see any case for a separate article; this was until recently a redirect to Bourne, Lincolnshire. Which seem s appropriate. TheLongTone (talk) 12:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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West Muncie, Indiana

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This is an edge case given that the history cited in the article does actually have a section on this place. But what it says is almost completely at odds with the picture of this as a 19th century-founded town that's still a going concern: what it says is that yes, a town was founded, and quickly failed. I haven't seen as egregious a misrepresentation of a cited source in these discussions since the days of going over the California articles. (To be clear, the original author wasn't responsible for this; the citation was added later by another.) One could make an argument from WP:GEOLAND that since the documentation is there, an article must be written; I say this is a clear WP:GNG fail, and an example of why GEOLAND is a bad guideline. And as a rule we haven't kept articles on failed settlements unless the failure itself was notable. Mangoe (talk) 12:07, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Intervac International

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No indication of notability. Google only shows some press releases and fleeting mentions. Hogo-2020 (talk) 10:16, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I have reverted a heavily-promotional rewrite by Intervac Home Exchange (talk · contribs) from February. While that may not necessarily rectify the notability issues here (I have no opinion or further comment there), it certainly cannot have helped this article's cause and may have contributed to the eventual AfD. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:52, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Rauter, R.; Gsodam, P.; Ngyuen, T. D.; Stabauer, P.; Baumgartner, R. J. (October 2013). "New Business Models in Austria - Forerunners in Sustainable Economics" (PDF). Institute of Systems Sciences, Innovation and Sustainability Research (ISIS) Reports. No. 4. University of Graz. pp. 30–33. ISSN 2305-2511. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2021-05-08. Retrieved 2024-10-21.
  The article was released under CC BY 3.0 according to page ii. The article notes: "INTERVAC was the inventor of the idea of home swapping and has been discovered and pioneered home swapping practices ever since. The origin of the idea of home swapping can be dated back to 1953, stemming from collaboration between teachers to offer low-cost vacation accommodations among their colleagues around the globe. The development of the home swapping model is mainly driven by demand from the market. After the initial trials, participated teachers found that it is an enjoyable way of travelling and realised that living in each other's homes was great for cultivating international friendships. INTERVAC’s home swapping concepts and services has been growing ever since – not confined to teacher group anymore, but open to all the people that are interested in home swapping. In the beginning, swapping offers were only available in printed version. Offers were printed and tacked into a catalogue and sent to all members. Thanks to the internet, INTERVAC could use online platforms to spread information to all partners, with a much higher information density and with the possibility of immediate updating. Nowadays, INVERVAC has innovated again by offering free application for iPhone and iPad, and by showing all available homes on Google maps. Thus, it makes partner-searching process easier, clearer and more enjoyable. All in all, these above mentioned innovations in communication channels fostered a better diffusion of the home swapping services in and out of Europe."
2. Marton, Andrew (1988-12-11). "Helpful hints to a house swap". The Boston Globe. Archived from the original on 2024-10-21. Retrieved 2024-10-21 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article notes: "A handful of international exchange services helps filter the bounty of home choice available. Intervac International has, since 1953, served as the clearing house for a series of European and American-run home-exchange operations. Among the 30 countries participating in Intervac International's home-exchange directory are Austria, Denmark, Finland, France, Israel. Malta, Sweden, Switzerland and the United States. Most home exchangers hail from Europe and the United States. Many have retired, but the two most frequent professional groups eager to swap are doctors and teachers—the latter taking advantage of their academic year's long summer holiday. Vacationers tend to consult with Intervac International's US branch when preparing for a swap. However, Intervac has competition from a growing number of exchange organizations, each with a slightly different sales pitch:"
3. Kaye, Evelyn (1993). Family Travel: Terrific New Vacations for Today's Families. Boulder, Colorado: Blue Penguin Publications. p. 107. ISBN 978-0-9626231-3-4. Retrieved 2024-10-21 – via Google Books.
  The book notes: "Intervac International began in 1953 , and today has some 8,000 listings. More than 80 percent of the listings are outside the United States with the majority in France, followed by England, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland and Germany. There are also listings in Iceland, India, Luxembourg, Hong Kong, Portugal, and Zimbabwe. The membership is mostly upscale, professional and in education. A directory is published every year in February with supplements in April and June. The Intervac International Affiliates in 26 countries invite individuals to join local groups, which, in the United States is in San Francisco."
4. Kavin, Kim (2006). The Everything Family Guide To Timeshares: Buy Smart, Avoid Pitfalls, And Enjoy Your Vacations to the Max!. Avon, Massachusetts: F+W Publications. ISBN 978-1-59337-711-3. Retrieved 2024-10-21 – via Google Books.
  The book notes: "Intervac is not a timeshare exchange company per se, but it has been helping people from different nations to exchange homes worldwide since 1953. There is no reason you cannot use it as a timeshare exchange network, even though it is set up differently than most of the others that are described in this chapter. In fact, if you try Intervac with your timeshare unit and enjoy the experience, you can add your personal home or additional vacation property into its system, as well, for different levels of trades."
5. Frommer, Arthur (2009). Spring, Michael (ed.). Ask Arthur Frommer: And Travel Better, Cheaper, Smarter. Hoboken, New Jersey: Wiley. p. 233. ISBN 978-0-470-41849-9. Retrieved 2024-10-21.
  The book notes: "Intervac International Home Exchange (800/756-4663; www. intervacus.com), founded more than a half-century ago and operated today in the United States by Paula Jaffe, is typical of the several vacation-exchange clubs that enable Americans to swap their homes or apartments with those of persons in other cities, in the United States or abroad, during their respective vacations. By permitting individuals to make use of a valuable asset-their own home or apartment—to live free elsewhere, it enables tens of thousands to travel in the best possible manner. And as you learn the modest charges for participation in Intervac ($65 for United States membership, $95 international, for a yearly Web-only membership), you immediately see that its managers are not involved in this business to get rich."
6. Woods, Judith (1997-09-15). "This family wanted a holiday. So they swapped their home in West Calder for a Tennessee chicken farm". The Scotsman. Factiva sc00000020011003dt9f0089y. Retrieved 2024-10-21 – via British Newspaper Archive.
  The article notes: "Intervac International Home Exchange, which has 10,000 members worldwide, with around 1,300 based in Britain, publishes a thick directory every year. To the uninitiated, the 450-page brochure is written in impenetrable code: for example, the letter "t" beneath an entry means good public transport, "hp" equates with "house suitable for disabled people" and "ae" signifies the use or exchange of a car. But the list of abbreviations is as important, if not more so, as the small photograph of the property in attracting potential swappers. The house may look unprepossessing, but if it has all the necessary facilities, be it a fax machine or a private beach, then it will have appeal. From Stockholm to New York, Athens to St Andrews, there are householders asking for swaps, offering rentals, house-sitting opportunities and "hospitality" breaks, where families travel and stay with each other on an exchange basis. After receiving the brochure, it is up to home owners to make contact and follow up their own arrangements, telephoning and writing to each other. It costs #80 to join Intervac."
7. Clarke, Maureen. "Convert Your Country House into an Urban Flat with a Home Exchange". Frommer's. Archived from the original on 2024-02-21. Retrieved 2024-10-21.
  The article notes: "The three biggest home exchange facilitators are Intervac, the first company of its kind, which specializes in European travel (tel. 80% of its properties are outside the U.S.); ... Intervac (tel. 800/756-4663; www.intervacus.com), the oldest and most experienced facilitator, requires membership for access and boasts of having the toughest terms of use. The second largest company, they have 10,000 members in 52 countries. Intervac prints its property lists in catalogs, as well as on the Internet, including 1,000 to 2,500 properties in the U.S., France, and the U.K. alone. Hundreds more are available in other countries throughout the world, mostly in Europe, but as far afield as Bali and Nepal. Intervac members pay between $68.88 a year, for online listings, to $168.88 a year, for online and print listings combined. They also position English-speaking representatives in many countries."
8. Frommer, Arthur (2005-03-30). "Swap Homes and Stay for Free: We introduce you to this fabulously inexpensive, highly personal form of travel". NBC News. Archived from the original on 2024-10-21. Retrieved 2024-10-21.
  The article notes: "Intervac U.S. (30 Corte San Fernando, Tiburon, CA, 94920, tel. 800/756-HOME or 415/435-3497, Web: www.intervacus.com), of which Paul Jaffe is founder and co-owner. Members have a myriad of options for joining, starting at $68 for Web members who can access Web-only text and photos, or $128 for book directories and full Web access. Seniors receive $6 off if receiving the book directory of listings. Two catalogue directories are sent out each year, in April and December. Each year, Intervac has about 10,000 offers listed, in over 50 countries. And Mrs. Horne is not just a matchmaker for house traders. She is also an avid home exchanger, having swapped homes more than a dozen times in Europe alone."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Intervac to pass Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".
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Albedo Space

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Non notable; New York Times article (I read it completely) only provides general information (likely from the website or press-release, e.g.a "The company’s website makes no mention of imaging people, or the privacy issues. Even so, reconnaissance experts say regulators should wake up before its spacecraft start taking their first close-ups"). Also I found other sources to be not SIGCOV Qivatari (talk) 07:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Google News suggest no WP:SIGCOV and the NYT article seems like a passing mention Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 10:04, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - Very week keep actually. The NYT article meets WP:ORGCRIT. It has editorial oversight so unless OP is able to show the publication failed to do so it can be used towards notability. By weak, I mean the other reference I found was this in TechCrunch. Parts of the article are obviously supplied by the company but there does appear to be enough independent coverage within to meet WP:ORGCRIT.--CNMall41 (talk) 07:34, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Will solidify my opinion after a full source review, but after an abbreviated one I am currently inclined to redirect to Very low Earth orbit. Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:48, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'm going to go with redirect for this one, just seems too soon for now. I'm not entirely sold on the NYT article, but I think I would go for a keep if we had 3 sources of equal quality (though I'd prefer it if at least one of them was better of course). Even with how much of it is made of quotes, the parts of it that don't (and are actually about the company) clear my threshold, if barely. Unfortunately, we don't have three, and the TechCrunch doesn't quite do it for me, and nor do any of the news articles that cite the NYT article offer enough additional content to swing things. As a plus, that NYT article should be suitable as a source for a bit of content to use in Very low Earth orbit which I'm recommending as the target as well. Alpha3031 (t • c) 13:49, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bakanlıklar

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Tagged uncited for years and Turkish article also uncited. I searched for sources but it is hard for me to tell if this place is notable as I am not a native speaker and don’t live in Ankara. Chidgk1 (talk) 14:02, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment it is a well-known area in downtown Ankara and appears on pretty much all maps of the city. It is a bit like “Whitehall” as a term, and unfortunately literally means “ministries”. There will be sources in Turkish about the history and development of the area and its street, major buildings and historical significance, but trying to fillet that out of the general mass of items just about “ministries” would be a daunting task. Mccapra (talk) 17:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have tagged the Turkish article as uncited in the hope that native speakers might find good sources Chidgk1 (talk) 06:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep so far I’ve found 1, 2, 3 and 4. I can see plenty of discussions in other books and these in the development of the city of Ankara and its planned urbanisation, so notability is clear. Mccapra (talk) 22:31, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Scott Cinemas

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Failing to find "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject" to meet WP:ORGCRIT. All sources are currently primary. AusLondonder (talk) 07:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/7-things-scott-cinemas-bridgwater-2585607 ; https://www.exmouthjournal.co.uk/news/20307914.exmouth-cinema-gets-42-000-government-funding/ and multiple other sources indicate a certain notability imv; at the very least could be redirected to list of film theater chains (currently AfDed.; same nom.) for example. I DpD the page; same nom . -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:25, 15 October 2024 (UTC) (nb-Needless to say I am opposed to deletion)[reply]
This is very trivial coverage, certainly not sufficient per WP:ORGDEPTH AusLondonder (talk) 14:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mecklenburgian invasion of Sweden

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Delete as WP:COPYVIO. The article is a direct translation of Sundberg 2010's entry for this war, with some selection of content (some sentences/paragraphs are not included). See the article talk page for side-by-side comparisons. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 17:08, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support. It's not a one-to-one translation, but the content is close enough that when doing a side-by-side-comparison, it's obvious that they are not sufficiently independent. However, this should probvably be handled through the process for copyright violations, see Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Copyright violations. Andejons (talk) 07:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What parts of the text needs to be rewritten or reworded? GusGusBrus (talk) 20:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've now replaced the article text with the copyvio template, but I guess the AfD process can also continue. The copyvio gets deleted either when the AfD discussion is concluded, or when a copyvio admin reacts to the template. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 17:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it's rewritten, shouldn't it stay tho? Tinkaer1991 (talk) 17:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
History should still be purged. IMO, it is easier to just delete and start anew. (We can save the infoboxes etc. to a sandbox) Jähmefyysikko (talk) 17:29, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, as of now. Although it should stay if rewritten. Tinkaer1991 (talk) 22:52, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Already is rewritten. GusGusBrus (talk) 05:13, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
GusGusBrus, I've started a discussion about WP:close paraphrasing on your talk page (I should have done this earlier, to be honest), but let me also state here why the current changes to the article are insufficient.

Here's an excerpt from article Copyright: Copyright is intended to protect the original expression of an idea in the form of a creative work, but not the idea itself. In this context, "original expression" refers not only to the sentence-level structure but also to the overall composition of the work, which remains largely unchanged. While ideas themselves cannot be copyrighted, Sundberg's selection and arrangement of ideas constitute a form of creative expression.

I agree that there should be an article about this topic. However, if the article relies (largely) on a single, concise source, it becomes difficult to stray far from the original composition. The rewritten article should be based on a more diverse set of sources to avoid this. Please notice, that even if the article was rewritten today, the copyright-infringing versions should still be purged from the page history. This is why I believe it would be better to let the AfD process run its course and start a new draft with a clean history. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 17:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's also a process to follow WP:COPYVIO. You can't have your cake and eat it too. There's nothing wrong with an article having a history stricken out. I would question why this was brought up on AfD as @Andejons has also mentioned going through the process for copyright violations. There's where you would get the best advice on what to do next. – The Grid (talk) 17:19, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Liangyou Group

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Fails WP:NCORP. No reliable independent sources with significant coverage. Previous WP:PROD concerns still not addressed after many years. Imcdc Contact 11:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Calum MacKay (footballer)

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Articles doesn't meet GNG. Should be deleted or draftified. No sigcov is available for this player who has appeared only in the lower Scottish leagues. MarchOfTheGreyhounds 09:39, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner (talk) 12:45, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify, notability cannot be established with the sources currently present in the article and the sources found in a search I'll explain here. I did find this article from the Press and Journal, and these sources from the teams MacKay played in, but I just don't think these are enough to establish notability of him as the latter two are routine coverage of MacKay signing with the respective soccer teams. Although the first could be used to support content in the article, that doesn't seem to contain significant coverage of MacKay as it mostly deals with his older brother and his playing statistics rather than Calum MacKay himself. Other than those sources, I did not find any other in-depth, significant coverage from sources that may be an indicator of notability for him (mostly databases). I also tried searching on The Inverness Courier for information or sources on him (as it is a local newspaper source that does relate here as MacKay has played for teams in the Inverness area) but found good coverage. I'll argue that it's a too soon case for me as well. ~ Tails Wx 18:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Offset time

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It's not a notable term. No citations for almost 20 years. 美しい歌 (talk) 08:07, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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leaning delete A GBook look reveals that the term is used a lot in technical discussion of OBS; that said, I don't think what the article says is true. OTOH the article on OBS is completely non-technical technobiz buzz-speak, and actual technical discussion is likely to need this term. At any rate I just don't see it needing its own page. Mangoe (talk) 12:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Athletico Physical Therapy

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Appears to fail WP:NCORP. Sourcing mainly consists of press releases, WP:CORPTRIV routine announcements, and non-independent sources. WP:BEFORE search wasn't of much help, mostly directory listings and passing mentions. Left guide (talk) 07:24, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Win-3 Habitat

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Lacking sources or evidence of notability. Hogo-2020 (talk) 10:07, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: doesn't appear to be notable, no results from a quick google search. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (they/them) 17:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:15, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shoma Ishigami

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Lightyears away from meeting WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 88 minutes in Japan. Nothing usable in ja:wiki, either primary sources or short/insignificant Gekisaka sources. Geschichte (talk) 06:39, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per above, there doesn't seem to be WP:GNG. There was an article about him being picked up by Osaka University of Economics in 2020 and by December of 2020 he was listed as a sub-member.[10]The most recent thing I could find from him was a blog post he made in 2022 saying his career in football hasn't been a great success and with 2 years left in uni he had to make a choice whether to go pro or not, and considering nobody has heard from him since, I'm assuming he chose not. --Brocade River Poems (She/They) 09:48, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Taisei Isoe

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, with 2 appearanced in Japan's third league. Every one of the sources in ja:wiki are primary, nothing usable, and hardly worth mentioning. Geschichte (talk) 06:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per above. Brocade River Poems (She/They) 09:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bev (company)

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Fails NCORP; most of the coverage is devoted to the founder Alix Peaboy; the author was blocked for violating UPE policy Qivatari (talk) 07:30, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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keep - The Forbes article is a staff and with the LA Times article that is two in depth sources. SunnyScion (talk) 06:59, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Forbes and LA articles are not meeting NCORP as they are build around the founder Peabody and include lots of quotations. For instance, here is the LA so-called coverage based on citations:
Peabody aligned with charitable causes to help build community. “We set up an L.A. Service Workers Relief Fund and for one month donated 100% of our online sales to it,” she said. “We also encouraged the Bev community to donate to the initiative’s GoFundMe and matched the first $3,000 of donations. Bev’s sales grew 200% month over month during the pandemic.”

“Traditionally men buy wine in liquor stores while women buy wine in grocery stores,” she said. “Gallo is putting Bev at women’s fingertips she said.
In 2018 Alix Peabody, then 26 and an MFA student in screenwriting at USC, launched Bev canned wine company to pay off extensive medical bills. “I started with cans because it’s hard to create brand recognition around a bottled product,” she said. “Once you pour it into a glass, no one can tell what you’re drinking, but cans are essentially mini-billboards for the brand.”
“When lockdown hit, we had to get creative in order to reach our consumers at home,” she said. “We built a text-to-order platform in 48 hours, launched a new website designed for increased conversion and started running ads,” she said.

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Comment- They are detailing the early history of the company which is exactly what makes the article in depth. Interviews are a natural part of that research and she is properly attributing which facts came through an interview. Here is another forbes article and there is plenty in Wikipedia:Before to say Wikipedia:NEXIST. SunnyScion (talk) 08:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to E. & J. Gallo Winery as parent company. The history preceding the acquisition can be covered there. BD2412 T 22:44, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you meant E & J Gallo Winery. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:33, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mr Raw

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Article fails WP:NMUSIC, there is some material online about him but none of it mentions things needed to support notability. Dr vulpes (Talk) 03:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: What? Reading Beans 08:44, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The subject passed ~~WP:MUSIC~~ WP:CREATIVE. He has released three different albums, he is a notable representative of Igbo raps with enough collaboration with other notable musicians. He also has reliable coverages for verifiability some of which are 1, 2, 3.Ibjaja055 (talk) 09:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Ibjaja055 so the sources you provided don't support notability as per WP:NMUSIC. But there might be sources in Igbo, do you know where I might be able to find them? I'm not an expert on Igbo or Nigeria so if you could point me in the right direction I'll try to find some sources and add them in. If you think there are offline sources then we can just send this to draft until they can be added.

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Premium Times	~ Looks to be independent but it's hard to tell.	Appears to be reliable after reading a few other articles	Article is 177 words and mentions that he has views on music piracy. Claims he's won awards but doesn't mention them	? Unknown
Daily Post	I'm not 100% sure but from reading some random articles it appears to be	Articles have writers and appear to be reporting properly.	Article is 125 words long and is about Mr Raw getting a shout out on Instagram	✘ No
Daily Trust	Appears to be, not 100% sure but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt	Has other articles that appear to be	Entry in the article is under his old man and is only 119 words	✘ No
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@Dr_vulpes Thank you for your prompt reply and I am also sorry for my late reply too. The sources I provided establish that the subject is a prominent figure in Igbo rap, and successors have acknowledged this by referencing him. The citations in the article may not fully meet the criteria of WP:GNG but they should be sufficient to pass the WP:SNG for WP:CREATIVE
The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors; The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique.
Therefore, Mr Raw is an important figure of Igbo rap creative community and he is even the one credited with creating the new concept (Igbo rap). Ibjaja055 (talk) 10:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete : No other coverage to proof notable than being hospitalized due to a car accident. The rest news are interviews.--7G🍁 (🪓) 11:11, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: @Ibjaja055, that seems like a good reason to keep the article but do you have any sources saying that (i.e. that he originated Igbo rap or is an important figure)? That is what I usually see asked for in these discussions, and I think it would be helpful. I see he says it in a source from the Igbo rap article but I can't find anyone other than him saying it explicitly. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:56, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mrfoogles Thank you very much. This is the source of another important figure in Igbo Rap confirming that Mr Raw pioneered it Ibjaja055 (talk) 07:34, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is a quote from someone else rather than the newspaper saying it directly, though (although its adjacent). This article also credits him as a pioneer, although it does seem rather promotional of its (not him) subject, but that could likely be just an enthusiastic journalist. This other article seems to have a good account of the origins of Igbo rap but is a 404 and not in the internet archive. Mrfoogles (talk) 15:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And actually here’s another article, oddly enough also talking about another person doing Igbo rap. Mrfoogles (talk) 15:21, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, based on the widespread consideration as the pioneer of a music genre. Mrfoogles (talk) 15:21, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pioneer of a what music genre.? Phyno is the Pioneer of Igbo Rap. Mr Raw was just also an igbo rapper. We cant justify a musician from naming thierself a title [11]. We need more of independent source to justify that than relying on interviews. 7G🍁 (🪓) 14:56, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@7G, What’s your source for this claim? Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 19:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Before Phyno, Mr. Raw was. This source confirms it, https://thenet.ng/enugu-world-phyno-become-igbolands-biggest-rap-export/. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 19:19, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can reply without mentioning my name. It’s then left for me to ignore you. They are more notification on my phone to attend than this @7g on Wikipedia. 7G🍁 (🪓) 21:05, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Per Ibjaja and Mrfoogle. Also, this piece from Nigeria Entertainment Today and this from P.M. News. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 19:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Iberian race

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The article fails WP:GNG, all its source are primary sources from about 100 years ago, written by "race theorists" (see Scientific racism). From a short look at the given sources it is not even clear that the term "Iberian race" ever meant something else than just "Iberian people". The article "Continental Nordic race" by the same creator was reduced to a redirect for similar problems, see WP:Articles_for_deletion/Continental_Nordic_race. Rsk6400 (talk) 05:45, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG. Whatever coverage there might exist in modern sources (if it exists at all), it would be in the context of describing racial essentialism as an obsolete concept of anthropology, and not to propose "Iberian race" as real and notable entity. We don't have to create articles that might have had its place as entries in an encyclopedia of the early 1900s, but not in 2024. Also, the "Features" based on outdated and non-reliable sources blatantly insinuates in Wikivoice that "Iberian race" is a thing ("is known"), so the obvious purpose of this article is to legitimize pseudoscience through the backdoor. –Austronesier (talk) 11:34, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete suitable perhaps for the 1911 Britannica, but not the 2024 Wikipedia. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:03, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional keep: Wikipedia is full of various depreciated/obsolete/historical racial classifications like this one; see Category:Historical definitions of race. As long as the current scientific consensus on the non-existence of various human races is clearly stated and not contested within the article text ... I don't see a problem. These kind of 'historical definitions' can sometimes provide a useful context to interpreting the past. Vlaemink (talk) 12:59, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Vlaemink: In general, I agree, but this specific article has some specific problems. I just checked two of the six sources: One of them knows the technical use of the word "race", but uses "Iberian race" only in the non-technical sense, the other one doesn't even use the term "Iberian race". I have strong doubts that the term was ever used in the technical sense of the race theorists (except maybe as a synonym for the "Mediterranean race"). Rsk6400 (talk) 07:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not sufficient for WP:GNG to have an article solely based on outdated (and partially misused/miscited) sources with a disclaimer "this used to be science". We don't have an article for every type of incubus mentioned in the Malleus maleficarum (unless there is WP:SIGCOV for that specific incubus in relevant and reliable sources). –Austronesier (talk) 12:30, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Historical race concepts. Srnec (talk) 01:47, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Srnec Andre🚐 07:24, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Mediterranean race. 85.206.172.231 (talk) 10:59, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Historical race concepts. I think it would be better to redirect here since the sources are so archaic and also because Historical race concepts is a broader topic than Mediterranean race. DesiMoore (talk) 16:25, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Mediterranean race: I just found this in the article about that race: H. G. Wells referred to the Mediterranean race as the Iberian race.^[1]

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Ara Paiaya

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With persistent sockpuppetry and massive COI issues, I think it would be best to Wikipedia:Blow it up and start over TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 05:30, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I don't know about the matter but the article seems to have no problems now (other than having basically no content). It's kind of already blown up/blanked and started over as far as I can tell. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:57, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Blade Icewood

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Fails WP:MUSIC with no notable discography or label activity. The only material in the article is about his death and useless content about feuding rap groups, with no viable coverage of his own music. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 05:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Great Regression

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Transparently political, wildly incorrect (wages have increased substantially since 1981). Lacks notability and appears to be a neologism. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 03:41, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong keep. Massively noteable phenomena, there are hundreds of sources covering even just the intersection with the TradWife tend. (I.e. sources mentioning that back in the 1960s a good proportion of males without a colledge degree could still earn enough to support a familly with a stay at home housewife, whereas now only the most elite can affort that.) The phenomea helps explain many aspects of socio-political history, especially after 2016. It would be embarrassing not to cover it.

Nom is however correct on it being a neologism. If it survives AfD, I'll propose renaming to either Great Regression (Robert Reich) or Stagnating real wages for lower earning workers in the advanced economies since 1981 (Checking on google scholar, the vast majority of recent uses of "Great regression" are in completely different senses to that used by good professor Reich.) Being 'transparently political' is not a valid reason for deletion. I'd be inclined to accept it as an IAR reason if the article would be likely to increase US polarisation - but the phenomena reflects almost equally badly on both parties (Many would say worse on the Reps in the 20th century, but quite a few have argued the Dems have been more to blame in recent years, and there are global economic forces in play that neither party can easilly fully mitigate.) PS - I tweaked the wording to make clear the article if refering to real wages - thanks Nom for pointing out it could have been read as "wildly incorrect". FeydHuxtable (talk) 12:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Nyangon

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Promotional resume-style bio for a non-notable economist, repeatedly moved into mainspace by quickie-autoconfirmed accounts following declines at AfC. There is no evidence of passing WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. Sources in the article are primarily the subject's own writings, plus WP:PRIMARYSOURCE bios and a few low-quality promotional WP:CHURNALISM articles that appear to be based solely on interviews with the subject (see here, here; this one is explicitly marked as sponsored content). With a relatively low h-index for an economist at his stage of career, I don't see a pass of WP:NACADEMIC either. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. This article is almost entirely based on one primary source. A search for sources found routine coverage of ambassador activities but no WP:SIGCOV. LibStar (talk) 04:04, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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JZyNO

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Subject charted but WP:NMUSICIAN does not guarantee notability. It still comes down to sourcing. There is nothing I can find in-depth about the subject that would be consdiered reliable. There is also a lot of press and churnalism such as this and this which are regurgitations of the same thing published on the same day but different publications. The Billboard reference only verifies the charting which was done on a collaboration with another artist. CNMall41 (talk) 00:55, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong keep, so glad this made it here Thank you so much CNMall41. Before going into sourcing and notability, I have started using my alt account for reviving (mostly African) articles I feel like the subject is notable and deleted under WP:G5. After this, I'm moving on to reviving Pabi Cooper.

With that being said, yes, I do agree that only 2 source are the same which is what publications like MSN and allAfrica do, they "re-publish" what's already out there and credit the publisher. The subject did chart on the Billboard U.S. Afrobeats Songs,^[2] and again on the UK Afrobeats Singles Chart.^[3] Keep in mind that he is credited as the primary artist on the song per media notes.^[4] JZyNO has been subject of the news multiple times here,^[5] and here,^[6] just to mention a few. He was also nominated for multiple Liberia Music Awards.^[7]^[8] and Telecel Ghana Music Award at the 25th edition (2024).^[9] This nomination is based on the two identical sources, charting collaboration (not sure what's wrong with that tho), and sourcing lacking depth. The cited references above are enough to sum up clear WP:SIGCOV as they are in depth and the subject do pass WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG as they have been the subject of multiple secondary reliable sources. Starting to wonder if the nominator performed WP:BEFORE. dxneo (talk) 02:37, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do realize that having a page you created sent to deletion can be frustrating, however please WP:AGF. Saying that you "wonder if the nominator performed a WP:BEFORE" is a veiled accusation that I lack the competency to properly review a page for notability. This is not away to get your contention across in a deletion discussion. I will respond to your notability points in a minute once I look through the sources you provided. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:03, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As stated in the nomination, charting does not grant inherent notability for a musician under WP:NMUSICIAN. The wording is "may be notable," not "is" notable. For the awards, they are nominations, not wins so not even relevant for WP:MUSICBIO. The first two sources you pointed out only verify charting. They are not significant, just verification. Three is from Apple Music so this cannot be used for notability. The fourth and seventh are the two I pointed out that are WP:CHURNALISM. Five is an interview and six and eight are just verifications of his award nominations. I see no significant coverage. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:12, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, my apologies for that earlier statement. However, respectfully, it really looks like you are not familiar with WP:MUSICBIO as it states that "8. Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award." So I don't know what you mean when you say "nominations are not relevant." You then said "charting is not inherent," what's there to inherit when it's his song? (rhetorical question) Those sources are in-depths, this is not a GA standard article, it's somewhere between Start and Stub-class, hope you understand. Apple Music source is for verifying that the subject is the primary artist. Those reliable sources clearly discuss the subject where he's from and so on,which is what's most important. (SIGCOV) Trying to dismiss the sources by saying "they are just…" is not the way to go, because I was radequately eferencing every statement. Again, the subject clearly pass WP:GNG, as they have been the subject of multiple secondary reliable sources. dxneo (talk) 05:53, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I realize it is frustrating, but please be WP:CIVIL. Are the awards he was nominated for one of those mentioned? If not, the WP:ONUS would be on you to show they are considered a "music major award." So yes, those nominations are irrelevant. I also never stated that "charting is not inherent" so do not misquote me as it could mislead the closing admin. I said that charting does not give inherent notability. You keep saying the coverage is significant but have not shown how. Saying it "clearly passes WP:GNG" is a fallacy by assertion at this point without being able to demonstrate how interviews, churnalism, and simply verifications are considered significant coverage. --CNMall41 (talk) 06:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Still don't know why you keep saying be CIVIL, as if I'm using foul language, this is a discussion and I'm participating. Not everyone can be nominated for the Grammys, and thousands are notable without a Grammy nomination. However, every country/region got their major awards. Example, in South Africa, we have multiple awards organizations which are considered major, something like South African Music Awards. Every region got their own alternatives. U.S. got Grammys, Canada got Junos, and so on. Hope you understand. dxneo (talk) 06:34, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So he has won an award, and went on to lead the nomination list with 7 nods, that's amazing. dxneo (talk) 08:00, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like nomination to me. "Artist of the Year" (Singluar) shows him second so more like a nomination. Regardless, it is still only verification, not significant coverage. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:14, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have not addressed any of the concerns brought up in my last reply. Once you are able to do so I will be happy to opine. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:14, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay mate, let me try to break it down maybe we will understand each other. I will also quote the guidelines so that no one has to go back and fourth trying to verify.

In your own words you said "Are the awards he was nominated for one of those mentioned? If not, the WP:ONUS would be on you to show they are considered a "music major award."" WP:ONUS states that "not all verifiable information must be included. Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article, and other policies may indicate that the material is inappropriate." With that being said, I would say that nominations are accolades, and accolades do improve the quality of the article as #8 of WP:MUSICBIO states that "Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award. Note that this requires the person or band to have been the direct recipient of a nomination in their own name, and is not passed by playing as a session musician on an album whose award citation was not specifically for that person's own contributions," where as the subject is the direct recipient here.
Again, in your own words you went on to say that "So yes, those nominations are irrelevant. I also never stated that "charting is not inherent" so do not misquote me as it could mislead the closing admin," but earlier you said that charting does not grant inherent notability. So I have two questions. First, why did you say the nominations are irrelevant when MUSICBIO says otherwise? Secondly, since charting is a requirement to pass notability per MUSICBIO, why do you want to strike it out?
Moving on to WP:GNG which includes WP:SIGCOV. "Significant coverage addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. this source covers the upbringing of the subject in detail, football, how he got into music and how he moved from one country to another. Yes, you may argue that it was an interview, but information is most reliable when it's coming from the primary source and artists are often interviewed including high profiles like Rihanna and I bet that you'd never second guess a Rihanna interview, so why question this one? And in this case, the interview comes from a secondary reliable source (BBC). This source tells you his full name, when and where he was born, including his ancestry. With those two sources you can sum up SIGCOV.
Subject of multiple secondary reliable sources. The subject is Liberian with Ghanaian and Nigerien ancestry. However, he was the subject of the news in South Africa, which states that he has won 4 out of 7 awards. He was covered by Billboard in the US, and again by Vanguard in Nigeria, not to mention his native publications.

All of the above mentioned sources are reliable (and highlited green) So, last question, which WP:GNG requirement was not met here? dxneo (talk) 20:57, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not refer to me as mate. As far as the WP:WALLOFTEXT, I will sum it up like this - You quoted policy which states "Significant coverage addresses the topic directly and in detail." I will concede the references address him directly. What you have not provide evidence of is how they cover him "in detail." The mentions are verification, the others churnalism, another an interview. At this point, the discussion is becoming ad nauseam. I will leave it for closers to determine.--CNMall41 (talk) 00:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK. dxneo (talk) 01:07, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

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^ Wells, H.G. The Outline of History New York:1920 Doubleday & Co. Volume I Chapter XI "The Races of Mankind" Pages 131–144 See Pages 98, 137, and 139
^ Zellner, Xander (2023-11-15). "10 First-Timers on Billboard's Charts This Week: Matt Rogers, Mark Mothersbaugh, Kelsey Hart & More". Billboard. Retrieved 2024-10-14.
^ "BUTTA MY BREAD". Official Charts Company. 2023-11-25. Retrieved 2024-10-14.
^ "Butta My Bread by JZyNO on Apple Music", Apple Music, 7 April 2023, retrieved 2024-10-15{{citation}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
^ "Singer-songwriter JZyNO debuts with 'Butta My Bread'". Vanguard. 3 July 2023. Retrieved 14 October 2024.
^ DJ Edu (16 February 2024). "JZyNO: Liberian singer on Butta My Bread success". BBC UK. Retrieved 15 October 2024.
^ "MTN Liberia Music Awards announces nominees". Vaultz News. 27 September 2021. Retrieved 15 October 2024.
^ "JZyNO, UMG Artist becomes first Liberian musician to gain global attention". The Sun. 4 July 2023. Retrieved 15 October 2024.
^ "TGMA 2024 winners list: Stonebwoy beat King promise and odas to win artiste of di year". BBC News Pidgin. BBC News. 2024-06-01. Retrieved 2024-10-14.

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Comment - Giant walls of text just discourage participation from others. Both of you need to calm down and let others participate so we can come to a consensus on what to do. Editor(s) who wish to keep the article - can you please give a concise explanation of your WP:THREE? Sergecross73 msg me 02:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. The subject of this article meets criterion 1 and 2 of MUSICBIO. He is a Liberian artist who has received some coverage in Front Page Africa, which can be seen here, here and here. He has also recevied coverage in Pulse Nigeria, This Day newspaper, Vanguard, and in the BBC, despite the latter source being a primary source. Moreover, he has been discussed in the Lusaka Times and Nairobi News. He won and has been nominated for the MTN Liberia Music Awards, which is considered the biggest music award show in Liberia. He was nominated five times at the award's 2020 edition and won two awards in the 2023 edition. As previously stated, his song "Butta My Bread" charted on the Billboard Afrobeats song chart and the UK Afrobeats singles chart. Per this article, he is the first Liberian artist to gain global attention and is currently signed to Universal Music Group. Per the BBC article, his song "Butta My Bread" has received 160 million streams and is Liberia's biggest Afrobeats song. His song charting on two national music charts along with the sources I have mentioned here should be sufficient for a weak keep. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 16:15, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Everything you described is what would be considered inherent notability in my opinion. Again, the notability guideline does not say he "is" notable for charting. It says he "may" be notable. The sources are all verification of claims, not significant or in-depth about the artist. We also need to be careful about using sources like this since they are not reliable. --CNMall41 (talk) 01:30, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How's it not reliable when it was never assessed at WP:RS/N? dxneo (talk) 01:50, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's not the way it works. A soruce does not have to go to RSN to be determined unreliable. Similar to how a reference does not have to go to RSN to be considered reliable. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:27, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Sufficient here to meet WP:MUSICBIO, including charting, and secondary coverage, and a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a ~~national~~ international radio network (i.e. BBC World Service). Also I disagree about the WP:RS BBC article being classed primary; yes it includes quotes, but also includes secondary text and analysis and biographical information under a journalistic byline. ResonantDis_tortion 19:25, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are there other sources (other than the claim of BBC) that you would consider reliable and covers the subject in detail (not just verification of claims of charting or award nominations)?--CNMall41 (talk) 01:30, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just let other editors assess the subject 'cause would BBC and Billboard "claim" someone charted when they didn't, and why would those awards be claims? [rhetorical question] dxneo (talk) 02:19, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is why the question was posed to the editor making the vote. Unless you are able to speak for them, please stop muddying up the discussion with WALLSOFTEXT.--CNMall41 (talk) 18:23, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Source assessment - Here you go, @Liz:. Would be happy to evaluate any additional source you feel is in dispute. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mynewsgh.com - No byline and site has no editorial oversight listed. Likely churnalism or a paid placement. Regardless, it is a rehash of what the subject posted on Twitter so in addition to being unreliable, this specific source in no way could be considered WP:INDEPENDENT.
All Africa, this is a churnalism piece that was reprinted from FrontPage Agrica (see below).
FrontPage Africa, using an archive link since the original is no longer published on that website. Written by "FPA Staff Reporter" which is not bylined. However, other news articles such as the first one on the home page are bylined. This usually indicates it is a placement and given the tone it is more likely a press release.
BBC, great interview but it is just that....an interview. Not independent. All but five of the 17 paragraphs contain quotes. No independent journalism here.
Vanguard, while the publication has editorial oversight, this is yet another one that has no byline. Given this about selling paid article placements (yes, a separate fee so that it is not marked "sponsored content"), I would not see this as independent.
Billboard, good publication but this is only verification that he collaborated with another artist and that song debuted at No. 50 on the Billboard U.S. Afrobeats Songs. There is two sentences about him so not in-depth or indepdnent journalism. I will point out again that WP:NMUSICIAN does not make someone inherently notable for charting. The wording says "may be notable" but they still need significant coverage. Simply having a mention in a reputable publication does NOT show notability.
Official Charts, again, just shows chart positioning.
BBC, just lists his name as a nominee right below the actual winner of the award.
FrontPage Africa, forgot to add this which was brought up above. Completely unreliable as written by a "contributor" as opposed to other articles you can find on the site with full bylines. More paid placement. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:06, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You forgot IOL. Product of WP:ANYBIO. dxneo (talk) 04:15, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I forgot that piece of churnalism which states - "According to a statement sent to media, this newest musical venture sets the stage for a “lively and immersive experience”." Not independent. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And again, WP:ANYBIO does not say a person "IS" notable for meeting one of the criteria. It says "LIKELY." --CNMall41 (talk) 04:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm done defending this. Charts are obviously for positions. According to you, all of the above-mentioned reliable sources are not independent. Now the awards and nominations are not to be considered? I'm so done. dxneo (talk) 05:11, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Back to the Real

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Probably should have discussed this along with Reel Tight. Looking at the sources (that aren't dead), the only source that somewhat confirms WP:NRV is an article by OffBeat and even then, the article doesn't elaborate much other than calling the band a success story. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 00:47, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep - Given the concurrent discussion for the group at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reel Tight, the album has some notablitily for low chart placement and a couple of middling hit singles, but more reliable sources for those achievements are needed. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Battle of Dewair (1606)

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This article is a WP: REDUNDANTFORK from Mughal conquest of Mewar. There was no need to create this standalone article as the content is already present in the other article. Hence it should be deleted. Admantine123 (talk) 01:23, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Mughal conquest of Mewar per nom. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Mughal Conquest of Mewar was a series of millitary campaigns whereas Battle of Dewair is a single battle. I don't see any reason to merge it with the latter. WP: REDUNDANTFORK applies for the same topic with different name. However, In this case the battle is a part of strings of event(Mughal Conquest of Mewar) through which Mewar concluded a treaty. Hence neither it should be deleted nor it should be merged. Rawn3012 (talk) 05:26, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mughal–Rajput wars

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This article is a poor WP:CONTENTFORK (WP:REDUNDANTFORK) from several articles like Rajput Rebellion (1708–1710), Rathore rebellion (1679–1707) and List of battles in Rajasthan. The individual topic like Battle of Khanwa has been stitched together to create an article suggesting that something like Mugal Rajput wars were a single homogeneous event spread over the different period of time. The individual topics are isolated events and a duplication from the List of battles in Rajasthan. So it should be deleted and content if anything that is here but not in List of battles in Rajasthan should be merged to latter. Admantine123 (talk) 01:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete like so many Maratha/Mughal articles recently, a hopeless mix of WP:SYNTH, exaggerations, and misrepresentations. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is about Mughals and Rajputs not Marathas! Dilbaggg (talk) 08:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - there is no need to keep this sock magnet as the material is already covered. A hard delete is needed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:11, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The Mughals and Marathas have been at war between 1526-1779, this article lists a collection of WP:RS battles and also the cronological events. Every history and major source agress there was a long lasting war between Mughals and Rajputs, there is no denying it. I don't see a reason this WP:Notable historic article has been nominated for deletion! Dilbaggg (talk) 08:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Existence of this article is an improvement and provides for easier viewing for interested people. The article title is phrased plurally; Mughal–Rajput wars. Not being a made up single conflict. Deleting this article is an inappropriate course of action for the problem. RevolutionaryPatriot (talk) 11:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep-There were surely wars between Rajputs and Mughals and this article summarizes that but what is wrong in this is its tone and possible same content from other articles. All it needs is an improvement of in depth details about topic and a good tone. Rawn3012 (talk) 14:11, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Anna Cymmerman

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BLP tagged for sourcing issues since 2010. Only source is from her employer which lacks independence. Not clear that the subject meets WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 02:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Note. I didn't realize there was an earlier nomination in 2009 when I made this nom. Apparently un-named sources were identified at an external website during that discussion. However, the web archive url isn't loading for me so I can't see what these are...4meter4 (talk) 02:22, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Philip C. Pfeiffer

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Poorly referenced. Google doesn't turn up better sources. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 01:52, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Longbeach (cigarette)

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Because last AfD was two+ years ago and the redirect is contested, bringing it back here to see if consensus has changed. If it hasn't, recommend protecting of the redirect. I see nothing that approaches N:ORG level of coverage. Star Mississippi 01:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Philip Morris International#Brands: The only coverage that I can see from independent sources is routine coverage. No change form the last AFD. Can we please protect the article at the end of the AFD if the result is redirect again. TarnishedPath^talk 04:47, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Restore redirect and protect: More editor effort has already been expended than that of the IP who is seeking to negate the 2022 AFD outcome. If they feel strongly, they can make a case at WP:DRV. More generally, should redirect outcomes always be protected immediately? I have seen a couple going to-and-fro recently. AllyD (talk) 07:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Restore redirect and protect to target proposed by Tarpath. Although WP:CONCHANGE, there is little in the article between the last two AfDs and now to suggest it should. Failed NCORP then, fails it now. SerialNumber54129 10:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sandra Dodd

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Sources are either to her own website or a blog. A Google News search brings up literally no coverage about her aside from one or two blogs. Seems to mostly just be promotional as well. LakesideMiners^{Come Talk To Me!} 01:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Delete Oh, Lord. Subject is completely non-notable and the article isn't even hiding the fact that it's promotional. How it's stuck around for eighteen years is mind-blowing. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 05:26, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Delete as G11. CoconutOctopus talk 06:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bangalore Education Society, Malleswaram

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Fails WP:NSCHOOL. One source is a directory listing, the other is not significant coverage of this school. Since the last AfD we are a lot more stricter on school notability. LibStar (talk) 00:43, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep‎. Nominator has withdrawn their nomination and no Delete votes. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tagged for notability since 2018. Article is largely unreferenced which is not ok for a BLP article. Time to decide one way or another as a community if this meets WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 00:43, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Withdrawing. I think I can rescue this one myself in looking at sources in Polish in google translate.4meter4 (talk) 00:46, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update. I've added several sources. Enough to establish WP:SIGCOV. If anyone wants to continue with cleaning it up and making it read less like a resume that would be great.4meter4 (talk) 01:43, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Suad Abdi

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Doesn't meet the criteria of WP:NPOL Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 00:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment NPOL requires "significant" press coverage. Just one reference isn't enough for "significant." The Guardian is a reliable source, but not everybody who gets a story in the Guardian gets an article solely because they were mentioned in the Guardian.Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 02:16, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete I don’t see sufficient sources to demonstrate notability. There are unfortunately a lot of women named Suad Abdi and there may be some additional coverage out there but I can’t see anything else that appears to relate to this subject or would amount to in depth coverage in any case. Mccapra (talk) 08:03, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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