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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 21:40, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Amitabh Mitra

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Self promotion.The article has been created by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shubhoshreemitra .The user is none but the subject himself as suspected from the large number of edits to Amitabha Mitra.Fails WP:AUTOBIO Non notable poet. Fails general Notability Guideline.Taking a look into the references none speaks broadly about the notability of the subject. No major awards.No major works done by the subject. No independent coverages- most coverages are from waterforestpress, hudson view, boloji, desicrtitics with whom the subjet is himself involved as a writer or editor. The article is a self promotion bio. Also some of the links do not work.The article is promotional and very vaguely referenced.No independent references talking about his notability is found.--Diameter (talk) 13:09, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. just another case of self promotion.see how the subject himself protests in the discussion page [1] as if he is going to call wars for keeping his article in wikipedia.The author has self promoted himself throughout wikipedia -see the links -edit history as if being associated with Amitabh Mitra is a thing of great prestige [2], [3], [4]. I see none of the books of this author is published from a reputed commercial publisher. None of the references speak of his notability.Wikipedia is not for promoting non notable authors.--117.211.84.226 (talk) 21:16, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This is nothing more than WP:SPAM. Fails WP:BK, WP:AUTHOR, WP:CREATIVE, etc. Qworty (talk) 08:41, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It seems that there has been an effort to question the validity of this article. I strongly protest at this decision. (Amitabhmitra (talk) 11:49, 15 May 2011 (UTC))[reply]
Amitabh Mitra is a remarkable man, a professional medical doctor, an artist and a poet of distinction. The article which has been suggested for deletion is wholly accurate, and indeed Dr Mitra has a big International following. His poetry has been published widely in South Africa and India and through the internet he has a much wider following. I would strongly suggest to Wikipedia that the entry is retained as it offers a strong link to an established poet from South Africa Philip G Bell Fellow of the Society of Environmental Engineers (FSEE), Poet, Writer and Founder of the Young Poet Society in the United Kingdom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mindings (talk • contribs) 12:25, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've known Dr Amitabh Mitra for the last few years and have appreciated his poetry and articles and paintings. He's a man of remarkable aesthetics and creative talent. The wikipaedia entry serves as a valid link to the life and works of Dr Amitabh Mitra and should not be deleted - C K Kerala Varma, Chennai, India. There is no doubt in my mind that Dr Amitabh Mitra is important both as a poet, as a painter and as a medical doctor. I know him in the first instance as a poet, and there is no doubt in my mind that his contribution to Indian and South African poetry deserves an entry in wikipedia. The entry in wikipedia should under no circumstance be deleted. Professor Peter Horn, University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg South Africa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.242.114.37 (talk) 13:31, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete‎. Nominator removed deletion request and draftifed instead, resulting in speedy deletion of the original page. Procedural close of AfD. (non-admin closure) Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:41, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Horror mystery film

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AI-generated, poorly formatted article ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 21:10, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This was not AI generated, and i've since formatted the article better. There is no proof whatsoever that this was AI-generated. Even if it WAS, the content in this article is accurate, and far from miss-leading, so there is absolutely no reason to delete this article Tooommyharris (talk) 21:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to the AI-sounding phrasing, it has no sources and numerous formatting errors. I have moved the article to the Draft namespace while you work on it. I appreciate your desire to contribute to Wikipedia; please take a look at the other horror subgenre articles to see how it might be formatted and written. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 21:18, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pranjal Dahiya

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A WP:PROMO biography of an Indian singer/TikTok personality. Fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, WP:NMUSIC and frankly WP:V with universally unreliable sources. Even after an editor expanded the piece and declined the PROD, the sources are her own official bios (here, here), a spam page on a furniture website (?), a user-generated genealogy site, a dead link that was never archived, and WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS and gossip page mentions in unbylined, unreliable sources per WP:NEWSORGINDIA (here, here, here). My WP:BEFORE search turns up a few similar unbylined sources in Indian tabloid pages but no independent, reliable WP:SIGCOV to contribute to any notability guideline. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:55, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of world association football records

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a jumbled mess of a list article, there is no clear criteria for what is included, and most of what is included is simply trivial information (most headed goals, most wins for a footballer, various random unproven goalscoring records). Any world records of actual merit already have their own articles (goals, appearances). All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I DON'T WANT THIS PAGE TO BE DELETED. IT IS A SACRILEGE.Juanan412 (talk) 13:48, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom, Category:Association football records and statistics is sufficient. Giant Snowman 18:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Important list and compiles football records in general, there is no good reason to delete it. --Mishary94 (talk) 13:57, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and trim anything unsourced or any tenuous "records" (e.g. most goals scored with one foot) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:58, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Surely all but about five of the records in the article can be described as tenuous? I mean, any non-trivial goals and appearance records already have their own articles, and any other record of note would have its own article owing to notability, but they don't. "Youngest footballer to play in first division", "Footballer to play more years uninterruptedly", "Player to win most international club titles", "Most unbeaten matches", "Manager who won most finals", "Club with the most top tier-level titles", "Competition with most clubs participated in total", etc etc etc etc etc. This is all trivia, and this is the vast majority of the article. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: We can modify some things but keeping the most important ones. --Juanan412 (talk) 15:57, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are you still of the belief that "most left foot goals" is an important one? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 10:29, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – The indication is not based on policy since a list of records will contain some specific information inherent to those who are familiar with the sport. I also disagree that just the existence of a category would resolve the situation. The existing problems regarding the scope of records can and should be resolved together in WP:FOOTBALL (I am personally critical of adopting the IFFHS as the main reference), but a WP:TNT seems completely out of proportion. Svartner (talk) 01:06, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I didn't know about this article, however I feel it has more than enough validity, it's pretty much well sourced. There are some qualms with it and the criteria might need to be adjusted. But the nomination hasn't provided any policy other than this is trivia and this feels like a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT from the nominator. Govvy (talk) 20:57, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Neto (footballer, born 1987)

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One of the worst sourced articles I have ever seen, can not find any other sources fulfilling WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Deleted long ago, even though guidelines then were much more lenient. Geschichte (talk) 19:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 19:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment – The athlete started to play as a futsal player in the Brazilian National League, but has no WP:SIGCOV or notability, just WP:MILL ([5], [6]). Svartner (talk) 19:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hayato Nakamura

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7 games in Japan's second league, nowhere near meeting WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Was kept long ago under guidelines that are now scrapped. Geschichte (talk) 19:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jose Santos Rios

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Delete for failure to meet WP:GNG and WP:NPOL. The Senate Resolution and the House Resolution indicate that while very accomplished, this individual would receive run of the mill coverage of a typical mayor in the United States. Mpen320 (talk) 18:25, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - mayors in a smaller territory like the CMNI have a greater influence on its politics than a similar municipality in Texas for example. As mayor of Saipan, its capital, Santos Rios represented the majority of the population of the Northern Mariana Islands. Anyone elected to this particular elected office is as influential within the CMNI as other "territorial-wide" elected politicians, and Santos is no exception. Scanlan (talk) 12:09, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reply. Can you explain how he meets WP:GNG then? Similar mayors of cities in the continental United States do not necessarily qualify on basis of their influential position alone, but some like Wilmot Collins of Helena, Montana do.--Mpen320 (talk) 15:04, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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weak keep: The islands are tiny and don't have many media outlets, so coverage is sparse to begin with. [7] and [8] are coverage about the nomination and award. Oaktree b (talk) 20:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Emily Roberts

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I am nominating this to become a redirect to the subject's band, The Last Dinner Party; I choose not to do this unilaterally because NPP reviewer Ipigott re-reviewed it after I unreviewed it. None of the article's current citations show WP:BANDMEMBER being met; they consist of two insta posts, two interviews, the subject's webpage, and a performance listing. My WP:BEFORE search showed coverage in the context of the band and interviews, not enough to meet BANDMEMBER. Mach61 16:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to move it back.--Ipigott (talk) 17:39, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ipigott Eh, If I've already started the AfD, I may as well see it to completion. I assume you mean't "feel free to unilaterally redirect the page", since the page was never moved. Mach61 18:49, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It started out as a redirect on 2 February 2024 as can be seen from the article's history.--Ipigott (talk) 07:08, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The article presents significant background which extends beyond her membership of The Last Dinner Party band.--Ipigott (talk) 07:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ipigott It uses non-independent sources to do, which isn't enough to show that she should have a standalone article. If a notable band had a detailed biography of each of its members on its official biogrpahy, we'd have enough information to presents significant background which extend beyond [their] membership for every person in it, yet writing a standalone articles for each one would still be inappropriate. Mach61 23:29, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: According to the article, Roberts was member of a large number of bands and also performed as solo artist, so the article's content should not be merged into The Last Dinner Party. It's true that the current sources are not sufficient for this, however, if we believe the article's claims are not plain wrong I think it is possible to improve that. (My personal Google searches show a large number of hits, however due to the fact that I'm living in Germany Google gives me mostly German sources which are not helpful here.) --Cyfal (talk) 10:32, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cyfal

Roberts was member of a large number of bands Yes, but only TLDP is notable, so no WP:BAND#C6 qualification

and also preformed as solo artist And as I explained in my source analysis she is not independently notable as one

if we believe the article's claims are not plain wrong I think it is possible to improve that As stated in the nomination I already looked for better sources and found none. The burden of proof is on those who wish to keep the article. Mach61 14:51, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: If the article is kept, a lot of false links should be corrected because there exist also a footballer Emily Roberts (e.g., 2018–19 FA Women's League Cup). --Cyfal (talk) 10:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep/Merge to The Last Dinner Party. Her notability stems solely from the being a member of the band, and if the fluff was removed, the key facts could probably be covered adequately in the (currently fairly short) article on the band. The content here is encyclopedic in part, so what can be properly sourced should be retained. --Michig (talk) 13:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The keep !votes above are incredibly weak and should all be disregarded. The first one is a form of WP:Subjective importance, the second one is more of the same plus WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES, and the third one is WP:INHERITED. The astounding part is these arguments originate from established editors with long tenure and high edit counts. Can anyone arguing to keep this article actually show significant coverage about the subject from independent secondary reliable sources? Also, German sources are fully valid per WP:NONENG, but the coverage needs to be proven, not merely asserted. Left guide (talk) 19:32, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment:The current article is highly promotional and reads like PR. It actually increases the suspicion that TLDP are industry plants. --Ef80 (talk) 13:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: We should inform, not obscure. Tiny Particle (talk) 17:21, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia does not aim to contain all knowledge. Mach61 18:04, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to The Last Dinner Party per nomination. Opposed to merging given 1. the nature of the sources and 2. I don't believe this info fits within the scope of the band's article. It would be fine to include in this article if independent notability were established, but I don't believe it's remotely close in this state. Seconding Left guide's assessment of above votes. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 23:17, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The only sources I could find that are independent, reliable, and predominantly about Emily Roberts (as opposed to The Last Dinner Party) are: this review of her EP in Jazz Journal, and an article and an interview in Guitar World. Both of those publications are on our list of reliable sources at WP:RSMUSIC. I can't decide whether she just about scrapes WP:MUSICBIO - that's why I'm writing this as a comment. In any case, the current article is too promotional (is she really "known for...her eclectic musical influences"?).

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Comment: I've deleted a lot promo tone expressions now. --Cyfal (talk) 21:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chak 63 RB Nihaloana Sahmal

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I couldn't find sources to confirm that this meets WP:NPLACE / WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 17:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Agreed per nom. Reliable sources not available. Wikibear47 (talk) 13:00, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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MC Charlene

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This article is back following its deletion in 2022 and not improved. Leaving aside its WP:PROMO nature and peacocking words ("hype queen," "energy goddess"), the vast majority of sources on this individual are promotional WP:CHURNALISM, WP:INTERVIEWS and tabloid coverage excluded as WP:SIGCOV under WP:SBST. I found only one example of WP:SIGCOV qualifying toward notability (in the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet) and we'd need to see more to keep this page. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:10, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete~~ : For a Norwegian/Cameroonian musical individual, there is a lack of coverage in both countries, only in Nigeria [9] which has the usual puffy language. I'd expect something from the home crowd if this person was notable. Oaktree b (talk) 00:22, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep Colour me surprised. Coverage in Norwegian median [10], [11]. Not a ton of coverage, but with the zillion Nigerian sources, I'd give it a pass. Oaktree b (talk) 00:27, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - The two Norwegian links are more or less the same article, built on a third piece, the original in Bergensavisen. There was another piece by the same journalist in Bergensavisen in 2020. Geschichte (talk) 08:50, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Felix Goddard

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Fails WP:GNG, no significant coverage, just stats/routine news. Giant Snowman 19:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It’s got significant coverage from what I can see. Stop pointlessly tagging pages for deletion - becoming quite pathetic now. 2A06:5902:180C:5800:59C9:B142:4513:9C80 (talk) 19:59, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stop editing from your IP, EnglishDude. Giant Snowman 17:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~. I see at least one example of WP:SIGCOV in a reliable source (Straits Times - ironically it's from the very beginning of his career) and that's enough combined with other coverage for a WP:NSPORT pass. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One source is not enough. Giant Snowman 17:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is for WP:NSPORT. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:58, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Incorrect - it says that "an athlete is likely to have received significant coverage in multiple secondary sources" (my emphasis). Giant Snowman 18:06, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Meeting this requirement alone does not indicate notability, but it does indicate that there are likely sufficient sources to merit a stand-alone article." Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:54, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"at least one" - and that even doing that "does not indicate notability". Giant Snowman 20:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - Not seeing enough coverage. One article from the Strait Times mentioned above is not enough. Simione001 (talk) 00:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NSPORT is a little looser than WP:GNG. Unlike with GNG, "Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources." Combine the one article with the extensive non-SIGCOV available, it's a pass on the SNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dclemens1971, a WP:NSPORT pass isn't enough for AfD. See Q2 in the FAQ section. -- asilvering (talk) 21:51, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I've missed that question up entirely up to this point. (And Q1 notwithstanding, I don't fully understand why we have SNGs for sports at all if everything ultimately has to come back to GNG.) Delete. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, and I missed your reply. The "why" here (from my perspective, anyway) is a little bit "because team GNG-only haven't so conclusively won the argument that the SNGs are totally deprecated" and a little bit "so you can guess whether a subject is notable or not without having to go look for coverage" (for example, when you're doing NPP or so on). -- asilvering (talk) 05:56, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Sufficiently referenced to pass in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 14:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As above, only one source has currently been found with SIGCOV. That is not enough to pass GNG. Sources must be multiple. Have you found any others? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:57, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think there's a disagreement among participating editors here on how to read WP:NSPORT. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But the !vote says this passes GNG, which is incorrect. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The Lancashire Telegraph articles are a RS. I found this [12] and [13], should be enough for an article, in addition to what's in the article now for sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 23:22, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I reviewed those early on. The Irish Independent is just a long set of quotes from Goddard's manager with no actual reporting; I don't think it counts as independent SIGCOV. The Telegraph article is WP:ROUTINE transfer coverage. Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
transfer coverage that's about the player, still counts Oaktree b (talk) 03:33, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, standard transfer coverage is definitely classed as WP:ROUTINE. Giant Snowman 17:33, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Agree that the Lancashire Telegraph article is WP:ROUTINE. This is a football player for a professional club. If this player is notable, then all club players are notable. Could well be WP:TOOSOON in that the player could become notable in the future but there is no way to know that. Does not currently meet GNG Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:54, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of fictional primates in film

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A vast majority of list is WP:LISTCRUFT and fails WP:LISTCRIT. I would also support a merge back into List of fictional primates if the outcome isn't deletion. Sir MemeGod  15:05, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: as a standard WP:SPLITLIST (and yes, before I hear it should, it does ALSO meet the criterion for lists, see https://www.slantmagazine.com/film/15-famous-movie-monkeys/ or https://www.cbr.com/movie-tv-greatest-apes-ranked/ or https://collider.com/best-movie-monkeys-ranked/ etc,) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That’s the issue though. This list could easily be merged back into the main article with no length or accessibility issues arising, which is what I assume SPLITLIST concerns. Sir MemeGod  21:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It could, maybe, everything is feasible. But should it? SPLITLIST says "Regardless, a list or table should be kept as short as is feasible for its purpose and scope. Too much statistical data is against policy." Note that there are FIVE detailed lists on the page: this one and List of fictional primates in comics, List of fictional primates in television, List of fictional primates in animation List of fictional primates in literature. If you merge back one, you merge back all the other and then you have an awful navigation experience. I would go even further, and suggest to undo the redirect for List_of_fictional_primates_in_video_games but that might be discussed later maybe. I probably won't make any further comments here. Decide what you think best. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:41, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to List of fictional primates per WP:ATD, but this precise of a list fails WP:LISTN. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:26, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shibu Chacko

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Chacko's claim to notability is that he was one of the 399 people who received a MBE in 2019, the lowest grade of all five Order of the British Empire awards that were given to a total of 1,073 people in the same year. He received some coverage for that by some newspapers in 2019, but the coverage was not WP:SUSTAINED.

Clearly, this is not the type of award that makes someone notable enough to have their own Wikipedia article, and I doubt that all other 1,072 mostly ordinary British citizens (list) who received the same general-purpose award or better in the same year are also notable. Badbluebus (talk) 16:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aksarayspor

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Although sources I found seem to show it existed I doubt they are enough to show it notable Chidgk1 (talk) 16:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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James Shaw Jr.

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James Shaw Jr. should be deleted because he does not meet Wikipedia's notability threshold. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Praiawart (talk • contribs) 16:10, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - The shooting itself, the saving of lives, and the subsequent awards and honors are the notability. I think it's worthy of keeping. Whether or not there needs to be editing might be a POV of how a person reads this. — Maile (talk) 00:57, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The way to fix this article so that it doesn't read like a straight violation of WP:1E (notable for only one event) would be to add more detail about Shaw did afterwards. We find out that he gets a lot of awards - OK. But the article doesn't tell us anything about what Shaw did with his fame, except for "consider" running for mayor of Nashville. Tell us what he's been saying publicly – has he taken any position on crime, police, or gun control, for example? Are there any reliable secondary sources discussing his life outside of the one big event and what he's been up to? Cielquiparle (talk) 04:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - there’s ongoing coverage after his one famous act. Bearian (talk) 02:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge: to the article about the shooting. This individual is only notable for that event, nothing terribly notable about them otherwise. This article has more about the shooting/event than about him as a person. Went to school and got a job, six lines or so, then almost half a page about the event. Oaktree b (talk) 20:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Softgarden e-recruiting

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Kleavor

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I always raise an eyebrow slightly when a new minor Pokemon gets an article, but I try to give it a fair shake because there are often unique things that the press latch onto, like coral bleaching for Galarian Corsola. Unfortunately, after reading the entirety of the sources, I am left unconvinced that Kleavor is standalone notable. Most of the sources are simple trivial mentions in top-10 lists alongside numerous other Pokemon that get equal billing, or trivial mentions in papers about other subjects (namely, analysis of Hisui/Sinnoh as a region).

The TheGamer article is easily the largest mention of Kleavor, but, as criticism goes, it's pretty low-quality, and written in a Kotaku-esque manner where the journalist makes a glorified forum post. For example, she constantly asks "what's a Noble Pokemon", and while I don't know either, a simple 2-second Google search would clear that up instead of using it as a "ya darn kids and your Pokeymens" comedy gag. Overall, not fantastic analysis for the "best" source. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Creator Keep

I've been extremely patient with your behavior, but I feel these summaries are getting outright rude and predatory to the point of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. It's fine if you don't, but don't blow smoke about "trivial sources" when the article has an eleven page entry in a published journal discussing its design (titled, no less, Visual Design Analysis of Kleavor Character in Pokémon Legends: Arceus Game). It has a full paragraph in another published journal dedicated to its design and how it helps teach geoscience about Japan. It has a full article in Inside, a major Japanese gaming publication, going over the origin of its Japanese name and examination of its meaning. TheGamer article you're so quick to dismiss goes into detail why Henley, the website's editor in chief, dislikes the design, a statement she's echoed across other articles mind you even when singing it's praises. There is more than enough to establish WP:THREE here, especially for a Pokemon, no less one barely two years old in the franchise.
Additionally, WP:SIGCOV at no point states lists cannot nor should not be used: every entry cited there offers tangible thoughts about the subject and unique thoughts in regards to one another. SIGCOV in no way says that the article's entire subject matter needs to be related to the subject. We are well past the days of 1UP and GameDaily's single blurb lines about why something is "cool!"
Lastly, I want to call out that your frequent use of AfD, in light of avenues of discussion or working with other editors when several editors have reached out to you, has been detrimental overall to the video game project if not the characters task force alone. Editors are concerned about starting articles because they dread you will AfD them out of the blue. To boot, you could easily see this was up for WP:GAN, and rather than open a line of discussion, you approached this in not only a rude manner but absolutely zero correspondence with the editor working on it. Editors should not be stuck dreading their own work, let alone worried about wasting their time because you take notice. Good day sir.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 16:28, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep To me, that the nominator identified the discussion of Kleavor in academic papers, one of which spans 11 pages, as trivial is one of two potential issues. Firstly, it may be a WP:CIR concern by virtue of not doing due diligence to properly examine the content of the sources before nominating it, which is deeply concerning for someone who regularly involves themselves in AfDs and AfCs. The other angle I see is that the nominator may be trying to make the AfD seem stronger than it actually is by downplaying the actual strength of the sourcing to get the article deleted, which is once again a serious issue for me. The Inside Games and TheGamer sources are clearly acceptable examples of sigcov, and Kleavor is given coverage in other sources otherwise. It clears more than WP:THREE with stronger sigcov, and frankly, TheGamer source is a stronger source than sources I have seen the nominator support in the past as demonstrations of notability. It makes me unsure what the nominator considers a "glorified forum post" (not a deletion rationale), given their defense of sources such as this. I bring this up because I question the judgment of the nominator in dismissing a piece of sigcov because of tone, and frankly, "I don't like this comedy gag about Noble Pokémon" is an extremely, extremely weak reason to dismiss a source from the website's editor-in-chief. Simply put, we do not have a policy or guideline that suggests that an article's tone impacts the usability of the content of a source - not on its own, anyway. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 16:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Really not a fan of the ad-hominem attacks going on from Kung-Fu Man and Cukie Gherkin here. I get it, you worked hard on the article, but please argue on the merits of the sources rather than casting baseless aspersions that I am doing spurious AfDs.

To respond to the claim of an "11 page source" existing and that I failed to perform WP:BEFORE, I will add that it appears, at least to me, to be a student paper from a program on visual design studies. Per WP:SCHOLARSHIP, just because something appeared in an e-journal does not immediately imply reliability unless it has been heavily cited by others, and the fact that you are putting it forth as though such a thing is obvious demonstrates issues with source analysis. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:01, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have nothing to do with this article, I was critical of the personal standards you applied in the case of TheGamer and the lack of due diligence to identify the scholarly source as being a trivial degree of focus on the subject. If you had presented the argument that this source was an issue because it's allegedly a student paper, that would not elicit the concern over your claim of trivial coverage. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 17:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the paper in question, Muh Ariffudin Islam, the co-author of the cited piece, has over twenty published journals according to Google Scholar, several of which also in English according to researchgate, as well as having his own laboratory at the university. I will stress that your whole initial argument was the paper consisted of a "trivial mention", which is clearly not the case, and even after the co-author can be demonstrated as having expertise.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 17:23, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per other arguments. I will state that while I did help with setting up the article, I only did so out of a confidence toward the subject's notability. The fact there's multiple verifiable sources focusing entirely on the subject- including several research papers- analyzing Kleavor's design, says a lot to me about the notability of the subject. I do feel the arguments brought up about the nom are better off on the nom's talk page than here, but excluding that I do feel notability is soundly verifiable, and there is a good Wikipedia:THREE here at minimum. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I'm incline to agree with the rationale presented by the article's creator in regards to why this article should be kept. Upon closer inspection of the article, the reception more than passes WP:THREE and further more, doesn't clash with WP:VG/S. The critiques made in the TheGamer article are still as valid regardless of the wordage/vocabulary use here. And as for why the clueless-ness about the Noble Pokemon is there in the first place, that is down to the fact that Kleavor had only recently been announced and with that so was the concept of "Noble Pokemon" (the game would release 4 months after Kleavor's reveal) and at the time the only information Game Freak gave was that Noble Pokemon were "to hold power not held by regular Pokémon". Not that having a quip about not knowing what Noble Pokemon was should diminish the contents of the source to begin with. As for the papers, I believe them to be substantial and not mere trivial mentions as is mentioned in the deletion rationale. And for why the papers should be kept regardless of them being student papers, I'm incline once again to agree with the rationale posted by KFM and Cukie as they have proven, at least to me, that these papers are have substantial notability due to their author. Captain Galaxy 19:29, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Illinois's 1st House of Representatives district

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Delete or Merge into Illinois House of Representatives and appropriate elections articles. Unlike other electoral districts in Illinois or sub-national electoral districts in other countries, I do not believe individual state legislative districts in Illinois meet the standards of WP:GNG.

These are not like sub-national ridings in the United Kingdom or Canada, counties in the United States, in which there are political groups organized around district geography. They are not like wards in Chicago in which there are longstanding cultural associations or institutions independent of electoral politics.

Unlike congressional districts in Illinois, they do not elect Democratic or Republican committee-persons to any partisan body nor is there a substantial body of independent coverage regarding even their demographic characteristics.

The districts themselves are rarely written about. The "Representative district history" sections are a history of apportionment of districts generally as evidenced by the fact that all of the articles have identical excerpts. The more modern coverage that does exist is secondary to gerrymandering allegations (and the subsequent lawsuits) or the description of an election. While a subject of an article does not need to be the main topic to be significant coverage, it does need to be more than trivial. TLDR: These districts are not notable due to a lack of substantial, independent coverage just because similar enough entities might be. Mpen320 (talk) 15:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because the articles are of substantially similar substance as Illinois's 1st House of Representatives district.

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Comment Unlike congressional districts in Illinois, they do not elect Democratic or Republican committee-persons to any partisan body - do they not elect members to the Illinois House of Representatives (Democratic or Republican) in partisan elections? AusLondonder (talk) 16:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification. I was referring to the respective State Central Committees of the major parties [14]. Those offices are elected/selected from congressional districts. It is just another way that those districts are covered that state legislative districts are not covered.--Mpen320 (talk) 17:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Just because something isn't covered or has full articles doesn't disqualify it from an article. Other states have articles for every senate and legislature (or equivalent) district; just because Illinois does not (likely because many of them are small urban districts) doesn't mean we TNT every article that has been created, and it is undeniably partisan. Nate • (chatter) 16:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. This is just pointing out other stuff exists on Wikipedia. I also acknowledge legislative districts in other states could very well meet WP:GNG. Your remark about small, urban districts, well these are all small, urban districts with no significant coverage or independent coverage. Also, I have no idea where you are getting that I am being partisan. It's an unfair allegation.--Mpen320 (talk) 17:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was referring to the districts, not your views. Nate • (chatter) 22:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marie Margaret Keesing

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Articles for deletion/Marie Margaret Keesing

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Does not pass WP:ACADEMIC. Reasons given for notability are co-authoring books with husband. I understand it is difficult to know who is responsible for the written work in these circumstances, but I think co-authoring books that do not have their own article is a difficult justification for an article- I would suggest a merge with her Husband's article maybe (her husband is clearly notable as president of a learned body). I feel very bad about doing this, however, as obviously I do not want to underplay women's accomplishments in scientific fields. Spiralwidget (talk) 15:10, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: She's mentioned quite a bit in Gscholar [15] for example, but I suspect it was due to the era in which she lived and gender bias that "minimized" her contributions for lack of a better term. The 50s and 60s was still early for female scientists to be taken as equals to males. Oaktree b (talk) 15:58, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: This paper from 2015 seems to give her a proper discussion [16]. I think she's notable. Oaktree b (talk) 15:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I sympathise with the proposer's dilemma. Although in Wikipedia terms "president of a learned body" gives us an easy basis for declaring someone notable, the lasting impact of this couple, and the real reason they're notable, is the anthropology they did, and their written output, not the husband's post. We cannot tease apart who contributed how much. Given that we don't know their relative contributions, deciding to put her contribution in an article with his name just feels too old-fashioned and patriarchal, as well as very arbitrary. Also, from a practical perspective, if we were to merge, her life prior to her marriage wouldn't fit well in her husband's article, giving too much weight to things that aren't directly about him; we'd have to consider moving the new merged article to "Felix Maxwell Keeling and Marie Margaret Keeling" or something like that, but then we'd need redirects anyway, so what's the point? "Keep" has the benefit of being a simple outcome to an inseparable duo. Elemimele (talk) 16:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. As the co-author of Elite Communication in Samoa and Taming Philippine Headhunters, both of which seem to be significant books (I'm seeing lots of published scholarly reviews online, despite the fact they were published a long time pre-internet), she surely meets WP:AUTHOR. Josh Milburn (talk) 20:53, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

St. Mary's Cemetery (Washington, D.C.)

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No indication of notability (or anything useful or informative) in article at all, and it seems as if little beyond routine coverage can be found[17][18]. A redirect to Saint Mary, Mother of God Catholic Church (Washington, D.C.), assuming that they belong together, may be a good alternative. Fram (talk) 15:06, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I'm baffled why this "article" was created with a single useless sentence and zero independent sources. Do it in draft if you need to, not as micro-stubs without sources. Reywas92^Talk 15:30, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Simply not notable.— Moriwen (talk) 15:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Better Days (Robbie Seay Band album)

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Articles about albums, not properly referenced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NALBUMS. As usual, Wikipedia's approach to albums used to extend an automatic presumption of notability to any album that was recorded by a notable artist regardless of sourcing or the lack thereof, in the name of completionist directoryism -- but that's long since been deprecated, and an album now has to have a meaningful notability claim (chart success, notable music awards, a significant volume of coverage and analysis about it, etc.) and WP:GNG-worthy sourcing to support it.
But none of these three albums are making any notability claim above and beyond "this is an album that exists", two of the three are completely unreferenced, and the one that does have references doesn't have good ones: it's citing one review in an unreliable source, and one "Billboard chart history" that lists no actual chart positions and is present only to footnote a release date that it doesn't actually support rather than any charting claims.
As always, I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody with much more expertise in Christian music than I've got can find the right kind of sourcing to salvage them, but simply existing isn't "inherently" notable enough to exempt an album from having to pass GNG. Bearcat (talk) 14:53, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Intel 471

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Fails WP:NCORP for lack of WP:SIGCOV in WP:SIRS; sources both in-article and in WP:BEFORE are a blend of WP:ORGTRIV, WP:PRIMARYSOURCEs, WP:INTERVIEWs, WP:TRADES, and WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS. Contested PROD. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Flagon and Trencher

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources, only mentions and brief descriptions (for example, on ProQuest). toweli (talk) 14:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Found some pieces that document the activity of the organization. Take a look [19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26]. Piscili (talk) 14:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Those don't provide significant coverage and/or aren't reliable sources. toweli (talk) 12:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jason Emer

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1. It was moved from draft space to article space before it was reviewed and made live by the creator of the page

2. It was moved to draft space by other editors due to promotional tone, it seemed as it was written by someone closely connected to the subject

3. It was proposed for deletion and the final decision was to keep. However, the keep voters: 1 was a new account created just for this debate only (seems like it and it was an open IP, one was an editor banned for sock-puppetry)

4. There is someone constantly removing a section that is a bit negative about the subject

All this makes me believe that this page is being managed by someone closely connected to the subject. Additionally, i don't believe the subject is notable and most of the references are PRs and he is constantly self-promoting on the internet. WikiProCreate (talk) 13:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Appears to be a celebrity plastic surgeon [27], [28], [29]. I'm not sure any of these show notability. Discussion in AfD last time was also questioning the Academic notability, noting that 1000 citations was rather low for his field. I don't see that much has changed since the last AfD. Oaktree b (talk) 14:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: He's been investigated by a few regulatory bodies [30], which doesn't affect notability. This information has been added/removed, suggesting this page is being actively curated by editors, likely for promo purposes. Oaktree b (talk) 15:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Nepal Police women's volleyball team

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What little coverage there is in reliable sources is WP:ROUTINE. TarnishedPath^talk 13:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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May i know to concrete reason why this page is nominated for the deletion?. Nepal Police Club currently competing in Central Asian Club Volleyball Championship and many people are searching about the club. I think it's more than enough to have page for the club. NiseEdits (talk) 14:11, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A popular subject ("many people are searching about the club") doesn't establish notability - independent, reliable sources do. LR.127 (talk) 18:15, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Club-level volleyball in any nation (outside Argentina, Brazil, Europe or former Eastern Bloc nations) generally doesn't meet notability. Nate • (chatter) 23:20, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Unsure - reason being that I can't read local media from non-English sources and there are some in English which suggests that there may be more in other languages. Examples 1 and 2. I would like to see more good quality independent sources (particularly in other local languages) to be sure the GNG standard has been met. JMWt (talk) 16:49, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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John Quincy Adams (Bingham)

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Notability not established with significant sources. Prod removal claimed "artworks are usually accepted with one good source" – besides this being completely false, the single citation has only a single sentence on it and is not a good source toward GNG at all. The only sources I can find are routine data generic to any painting and no substantive coverage about the piece. Reywas92^Talk 13:39, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep due to many sources covering the painting:
- Portraits of the presidents: the National Portrait Gallery pp. 14-15 (p. 34): "The Missouri-born artist George Caleb Bingham painted the original version of this portrait in the spring of 1844 in his temporary hut-like studio situated at the bottom of Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C. Bingham would later gain much acclaim for his depictions of life on the transMississippi frontier. At the moment, however, he was an unproven quantity, and Adams’s willingness to sit for him stemmed largely from the fact that Bingham was sharing his studio with painter John Cranch, who was an Adams kinsman."
- The Life Portraits of John Quincy Adams (p. 13)
- Portraits of John Quincy Adams and his wife (pp. 231-235): "The third example catalogued by Bloch (Fig. 100) is considerably different from the other two but undoubtedly derived from one of them. Adams is shown, turned slightly to his right and looking to the viewer's left." (And so on)
- George Caleb Bingham: Missouri's famed painter and forgotten politician (p. 130) has a paragraph on "Portrait of John Quincy Adams (1844-1850)"
- Bingham's Portrait of Adams Owned by Rollins (Columbia Missourian 1929-09-28).
- Suggests Need of Preserving The Works of Missouri's Great, But Almost Forgotten, Painter The Kansas City Star, 1932-11-13.
- A Pioneer Preacher. St. Louis Globe-Democrat, 1910-12-11: "Of these the one of John Quincy Adams, president of the United States, is probably the most famous. It was painted on a slab of walnut wood."
the article should be expanded (I'm not an expert on painting but I may make a go at extending it sometime... looks like it's been expanded with different sources than I found). Skynxnex (talk) 15:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The sources used in the article come from multiple books and two different news organiations. In conjunction with others mentioned by Skynxnex, this article has enough coverage to meet notability. Demt1298 (talk) 16:07, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Catalan exonyms

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Indiscriminate unreferenced list of proper names, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Other such articles have recently been deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French exonyms. toweli (talk) 11:01, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Each language adapts foreign words to its own phonology and orthography, okay, we get it; no need for another potentially endless list of trivial examples. —Tamfang (talk) 23:14, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss. I do not understand how there are just 8 articles of exonyms right now in AfD, each one with its own discussion, when the same reasons can be applied to the 92 articles that populate Category:Lists of exonyms, or at least, to the 43 mentioned in {{Exonyms per language}}. It would not be fair to delete these 8 articles and allow Greek exonyms, Spanish exonyms or Dutch exonyms to survive when they are essentially the same concept of list in a different language. In my opinion the proposals should be centralized into a single discussion of all articles, the navbox and the categories. --SMP - talk (en) - talk (ca) 11:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there have been attempts to group all those articles into one AfD nomination: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of names of European cities in different languages and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Afrikaans exonyms. They failed due to the large amount of articles being considered, resulting in no consensus. Additionally, some of those (but probably not most) might be notable. toweli (talk) 11:58, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And some of the reasons I gave don't apply to some of the lists, not all of them are unreferenced (there may be at least a book/link in the references section), not all of them are indiscriminate (i.e. they focus on a specific region, like Hungarian toponyms in Prekmurje). They're probably still not wiki-notable, though. toweli (talk) 12:21, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not all exonym lists are equal. I would preserve, for example, German names for places formerly in Germany or the Habsburg empire; or lists that concentrate on nontrivial differences. —Tamfang (talk) 03:39, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, well, yes, this does seem to be both indiscriminate and uncited, and looking far too much like a bit of dictionary. That doesn't mean that a proper article on the formation of Catalan exonyms would not be of interest, if reliable sources can be found for that. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Grammy RS Concerts

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Dollar to a donut all the thai sources are pr flimflam. TheLongTone (talk) 13:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tentative keep. Needs clean-up for tone issues, but I'm not seeing actual reason for deletion. Several of the sources are presenting their own original analysis. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:10, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shijiazhuang Donghua Jinlong

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lacks significant coverage from reliable sources, failing to meet Wikipedia's notability standards. Loewstisch (talk) 13:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep there's plenty on the TikTok incident, and I just added a short (about 1 paragraph) cite from New Yorker and an entire article from SCMP from just three weeks ago. Article needs to have some more support for their role in the global glycine market -- it's verifiable (see, e.g., [31]) but notability is from the TikTok incident which continues to be reported on. Oblivy (talk) 01:50, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Myself Allen Swapan

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Reviewed during New page Patrol. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Bangladeshi streaming-only series. Of the two references, one is a review and the other is a link to their own commercial. Article was deleted in 2023 due to creation by a banned user and recreated February 2024 by a new user . North8000 (talk) 11:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: 1) given a review is cited a redirect to Syndicate_(TV_series)#Spin off is warranted ; 2) but there is plenty of coverage on this (including bylined articles), for example https://www.dhakatribune.com/showtime/309335/‘myself-allen-swapan’-streaming-this-eid ; https://www.tbsnews.net/splash/myself-allen-swapan-when-spin-outperforms-its-parent-series-622514 ; https://www.indiatoday.in/binge-watch/story/what-happens-when-a-wanted-criminal-pretends-to-be-your-husband-2366489-2023-04-30 : -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 13:28, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Klevisa Ymeri

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Putting this up for the community to judge. This was nominated as an attack page; I don't think it's really that, given that all these negative points seem well-verified, but I am wondering if this rises to the required level of notability for someone who, apparently, is noteworthy only for negative things. Drmies (talk) 13:10, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a encyclopedia not a news media. It should not contact articles about private individuals. For that open a news website and fill it with entries similar to it. Do you want to feed all the Wikipedia with recent news. Car accidents happen every minute everywhere around the world. Please know what this page is about. Due to some of you people, this website has become the most unreliable and the least scientific as it was years before, when only scientific or intelectual content was present. 146.0.16.235 (talk) 15:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we have coverage about cat memes, so this isn't necessarily the case. Oaktree b (talk) 16:07, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I don't see much coverage from before this last incident. Plenty of coverage about the accident, but I don't it meets criminal notability. She doesn't appear to have had much coverage otherwise; typical "pretty girl does stuff online" photospreads and brief mentions, which might help sell magazines/get website clicks, but don't rise to our level of notability here. Oaktree b (talk) 16:06, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Aston Martin DP-100

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Completely fails WP:GNG. Redirect not needed as the car only plays a very minor role in the game's plot (and it's not even a must to see or drive it.) Sekundenlang (talk) 12:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Vision Gran Turismo#Aston Martin DP100 Vision Gran Turismo - While there are some various news bits on the car, they all appear to be from the same June/July 2014 period of time, reporting on its initial announcement and appearance. There is no real coverage that I can find beyond those announcement type articles that show any kind of notability. That said, it is already covered at the main Vision Gran Turismo article, so this should, at the very least, be redirected to the appropriate section there. Rorshacma (talk) 20:09, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spies Are Forever

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Not notable. No significant coverage. No reliable sources. No continuance of performance. Only YouTube clips, Twitter, primary website and 2 reviews in non-notable media for initial small run. A lot of information about a very small production with very little sources. Maineartists (talk) 12:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Basque exonyms

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Indiscriminate mostly unreferenced list of proper names, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Other such articles have recently been deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French exonyms. toweli (talk) 12:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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1962 Aral Sea Li-2 crash

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Per WP:GNG and WP:EVENTCRIT: There exists no reliable independent (significant) news coverage of the event, no secondary sources, no in-depth coverage, no (sustained) continued coverage, no demonstrated lasting effects nor long-term impacts on a significant region of the world that would make this event notable enough for a stand-alone article. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 11:31, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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•Delete per amount of fatalities and GNG errors listed above, its a poorly constructed article with alot of dead links and only two sources referenced. Lolzer3k 14:29, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maltese exonyms

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Indiscriminate largely unreferenced list of proper names, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Other such articles have recently been deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French exonyms. toweli (talk) 11:24, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: another potentially endless list of examples of the trivial fact that each language adapts foreign words to its own phonology and orthography. —Tamfang (talk) 23:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Since Malta never had sovereignty over these areas and the Maltese language has not been spread there, this fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Geschichte (talk) 16:09, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1974 Surgut mid-air collision

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Per WP:GNG and WP:EVENTCRIT: There exists no reliable independent (significant) news coverage of the event, no secondary sources, no in-depth coverage, no (sustained) continued coverage, no demonstrated lasting effects nor long-term impacts on a significant region of the world that would make this event notable enough for a stand-alone article. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 11:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge into Mid-air collision Yet another major aviation incident that russia was completely tight lipped about, sadly, even though its tragic, due to Russia's secrecy it cant warrant an article. if this took place anywhere else it would stand as an article itself. Lolzer3k 14:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Aeroflot accidents and incidents in the 1970s. Incident is sufficiently covered there. Meltdown627 (talk) 16:25, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Newland Digital Technology

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The Newland Digital Technology article might warrant deletion if it lacks significant coverage from independent, reliable sources that confirm its notability beyond its own promotional material. If the article predominantly relies on self-published sources or fails to demonstrate notable impact in the broader technology sector, it may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline (GNG). RodrigoIPacce (talk) 11:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Keep for failure to state a deletion rationale. "If it lacks" and "if the article" are not words that suggest an argument for deletion. Furthermore, the wording of this nomination does not disclose whether other sources were identified during WP:BEFORE searches. If there are flaws that cannot be resolved with other sources then you can explain them so others can respond intelligently. Oblivy (talk) 12:42, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The nominator sounds like they are saying the article predominantly relies on SPS and fails GNG. It looks like English isn't their first language and even if it doesn't sound right, SPS and GNG should be something to easily refute or acknowledge. – The Grid (talk) 13:25, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That may be. a fair reading, but we have an article with 24 sources. Are none of them good? Are there other sources that can be identified on a reasonable search, per Wikipedia:BEFORE and WP:NEXISTS? I don't understand why WP:BURDEN comes into it. Surely a user can't show up at AfD and compel other users to refute a vague assertion that there aren't sufficient sources? That may be easy, or it may not (a proper search is going to require looking at Chinese media as well). Oblivy (talk) 22:30, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The Lumistella Company

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The article may not meet Wikipedia's notability standards, as there could be insufficient coverage by independent, reliable sources that substantiate its significance beyond promotional material. If the article relies heavily on self-published or non-independent sources, it could fail to satisfy the general notability guideline (GNG) RodrigoIPacce (talk) 11:19, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Keep for failure to state a deletion rationale. As with the deletion nomination for Newland Digital Technology, created three minutes after this one, words like "could" and "may" are not arguments for deletion. If there are other sources, you can find them by following the instructions at WP:BEFORE. Only once a clear policy-based argument has been made should the community be required to respond to a proposal to delete an article. Oblivy (talk) 12:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MapTiler

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due to a lack of significant notability, as it may not have sufficient coverage from independent, reliable sources beyond promotional content or self-published material. Additionally, the article might not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline (GNG) if it lacks independent verifiable sources demonstrating RodrigoIPacce (talk) 11:18, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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'Speedy keep for failure to state a valid deletion rationale. See comments on the other two deletions created by this nominator today. To the nominator, please stop until you are able to create a well-formed deletion rationale. Oblivy (talk) 12:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Embassy of Oman, Tokyo

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2 of the 3 provided sources are primary. Fails WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 10:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of skateboarding podcasts

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Does not pass WP:NLIST. Few if any of the existing references are reliable and I'm unable to find better sources. TipsyElephant (talk) 10:38, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Sources 1, 2, & 4 all discuss Skateboarding podcasts as a group or set. Wil540 art (talk) 19:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Owhor

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Subject fails WP:GNG. I can't find any significant coverage from independent reliable source rather than this which wasn't an in-dept of the subject. The second ref was a 404 (page not found). The biography also fails verification because I don't see any reliable source stating that the subject has 3 children. Gabriel (……?) 10:02, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I don’t know if this should be a speedy keep but this person passes WP:JUDGE as the attorney general of Rivers State. Best, Reading Beans 11:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, passes WP:ANYBIO per the position held and his current membership of a board of what appears to be a regional government. Piscili (talk) 15:53, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

La légende de Thierry Mauvignier

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None of the (non primary) sources here even mention the documentary, they're all on La Légende des seigneurs assassins (which this is a documentary about the making of??? why would someone make an article on the making of film and not the actual main film???). Even with that all the sources here are quite regional French sources under what is required from NFILM, so I have no clue if that other film is notable (could be, just judging off what's in the page). This was deleted on frwiki 3 years ago; I think this and several related articles (Thierry Mauvignier, Dylan Besseau, Guillaume Gevart) may have some promotional stuff going on here and on simple wikipedia but it is difficult to tell what exactly is happening here. There is this I found in a search which might be ok but it is the only thing. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:10, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Dylan Besseau: or to Thierry Mauvignier#Biography. (Aside: replying to the nominator's question, the article they quote states: "Although this institutional project was initially intended as a making-of, it has become a work in its own right, surpassing the reputation that Thierry Mauvignier's short film was expected to obtain - the greatest irony for a film that was intended to be rather confidential') -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I saw that but it seemed contradictory to me because there are far less sources. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:33, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you but I was just trying to reply to your question :D. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:55, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Warwick Ventures

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Low quality sourcing on the page, little else seen in good quality third party sources to show that this subject has notability outside of University of Warwick. Anything which has significance could be merged there. JMWt (talk) 09:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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In addition the creator of the page is User:Warwickventures which would appear to have undisclosed COI issues. JMWt (talk) 09:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The Dry Age Boutique

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This company page fails WP:NCORP and WP:CORPDEPTH. Trivial coverage WP:ORGTRIV, promotional WP:PROMO. TCBT1CSI (talk) 09:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Sources fail RS test as all are press releases or sponsored articles. Piscili (talk) 16:01, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kyaw Myint

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This article probably describes a person who does not exist, and is a composite of several sources. Four sources are cited in the article, each referring to a different person.

Source 1 is an article about U Kyaw Win, the founder of Myanmar May Flower Bank. The article also mentions U Kyaw Myint, the owner of Golden Flower Co., Ltd, but this is not reflected in the Wikipedia article.
Source 2 introduces U Kyaw Myint, Director General of the Directorate of Industry under the Ministry of Industry 1. He is not related to U Kyaw Win or U Kyaw Myint, the owner of Golden Flower Co., Ltd.
Sources 3 and 4 present "Pansay" Kyaw Myint, a Namkham militia leader and elected Member of Parliament. He is not related to any of the individuals described in sources 1 and 2. Nux-vomica 1007 (talk) 08:20, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I have corrected the prose (now really fixed: Special:Diff/1247585806/1247587904).—Alalch E. 15:55, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1. U Kyaw Win, the founder of Myanmar May Flower Bank is the Kyaw Win discussed in the last paragraph of Chinese people in Myanmar § Commerce and industry. This is not an article about this individual. This article is titled "Kyaw Myint" and has been about Kyaw Myint, Director General of the Directorate of Industry, from the beginning. Information about Kyaw Win was erroneously added to the article in Special:Diff/307034345. There is a revision with content only about Kyaw Win, in Special:PermanentLink/1247585806. There are various sources about Kyaw Win, who is sometimes called "May Flower" Kyaw Win to differentiate him from other people named Kyaw Win (an example of another Kyaw Win: Kyaw Win).—Alalch E. 00:40, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
2. U Kyaw Myint, Director General of the Directorate of Industry under the Ministry of Industry is the subject of this article. He does not appear to meet WP:N. As of my writing this comment, the article correctly covers only him.
3. The "Pansay" Kyaw Myint is indeed a third person. Information about him was added in Special:Diff/600987091. I have not yet looked into his notability.
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Delete Right now, the one source about Kyaw Myint, the politician, is not WP:Independent as its an interview with him. Additionally, the article is from 2004 so I doubt he is still currently in the same political position given 3 different administrations have changed in between. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 13:09, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kay-Anlog, Calamba

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Fails notability WP:GEOLAND, Barangays are not considered being notable. Please see here the similar deletion (which is converted the redirect), for more details. TentingZones1 (talk) 08:37, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. HueMan1 (talk) 21:30, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Calamba,_Laguna#Barangays per WP:ATD --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:05, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Some other deletion discussions mostly were kept. This article is in good shape and has a lot of information, hence keep. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 11:26, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: When becomes as a redirect, Calamba,_Laguna#Barangays. Makes it some knowledge about this barangay. Soft deletion if not redirected, resulting the article links were comes in various articles, which is problematic due of lack of sources. When the vote changed in keep, unless the reliable sources and information are available for this article. TentingZones1 (talk) 10:42, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I will withdraw the article for deletion. TentingZones1 (talk) 08:06, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of storms named Hugo

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PROD undone by author. WP:NLIST not met here. Did a search and could only find Hurricane Hugo as the main topic. Although it is a WP:SETINDEX, it is still required to meet the notability requirements of a WP:STANDALONE. Conyo14 (talk) 05:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as author. Harmless storm index article. It seems that the nominator isn't at all familiar with these types of pages (and I've created numerous SIA's). The name Hugo has been used in more than one basin, so the name perfectly qualifies for a storm index article; and there's a strong possibility that it gets re-used in the future since it has been included in the list of names for the 2024–25 European windstorm season. No valid reasons for deletion. CycloneYoris ^talk! 05:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep SIAs don't have to be a notable topic themselves but may be a list of topics that are notable on their own.

Noah, BSBA^Talk 14:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:ONEOTHER - the 1989 hurricane is very obviously the primary topic. Hatnotes linking the two pages should do the job. Java Hurricane 18:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I'm aware of WP:SETNOTDAB, and it doesn't change my view: where a SIA consists of only two entities, where one is clearly the primary topic (and in this case, the other entity, the 2018 windstorm, doesn't even have its own article), hatnotes are a more efficient method of handling the situation than a full-fledged list. And as for Yoris's argument, WP:CRYSTAL applies - future systems sharing the name can be handled at the time they actually happen.

On a side note, I'm interested in knowing why a SIA about systems of the same name is not, in practice, a disambiguation page. Java Hurricane 19:21, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would support hatnotes if it weren't common practice to create a storm index with only two entries. See Category:Set index articles on storms, which is filled with lists containing only two entries (e.g. List of storms named Andrew, List of storms named Beta, List of storms named Evelyn, etc.), so for consistency's sake this one should be kept as well. And I hate making a WP:OTHERSTUFF argument, but I just couldn't avoid it. Also, I don't think the winter storm is relevant enough for mentioning at the Hurricane Hugo article (not even as a hatnote), since hurricanes and winter storms are completely different weather systems, and it would be odd for someone to confuse them both. CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:59, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the latter point there also exist counterexamples - such as 1935 Labor Day hurricane's hatnote. Don't think it is even that odd to confuse tropical and non-tropical cyclones - the term "storm" can be quite ambiguous for an uninitiated reader. On the former point, I repeat my previous question. Java Hurricane 12:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But that's likely because the 1935 hurricane is unnamed (i.e. has no official name), and was named "Labor Day" because it made landfall on that exact date. However, I see no counterexamples for storms that have official names, at least none that I could find. CycloneYoris ^talk! 03:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: per javahurrincae Kingsmasher678 (talk) 18:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Cyclone Yoris and Noah - don’t see any valid reasons for deletion. Absurdum4242 (talk) 05:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as there are three topics in the SIA. Tavantius (talk) 03:39, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as set indices articles (SIA). – The Grid (talk) 13:29, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep this article meets all the criteria of SIA for storms, and it's easy to see the precedents. There are no valid reasons for deletion.DesiMoore (talk) 15:39, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Hurricane Noah. Piscili (talk) 16:10, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Siue Moffat

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WP:BLP of a cookbook author and filmmaker, not reliably sourced as having a strong claim to passing notability criteria for either occupation. As always, people are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to show evidence of WP:GNG-worthy coverage about them in media independent of themselves -- but the only notability claim on offer here is that her work exists, and the article is referenced to one (deadlinked but recoverable) short blurb that isn't enough to get her over GNG all by itself if it's all she's got for GNG-worthy coverage, and one primary source that isn't support for notability at all.
The article, further, has been tagged for needing more sources since 2011 without ever having better sources added, and a WP:BEFORE search came up dry as all I found in ProQuest was the blurb and a small handful of glancing namechecks of her existence in coverage of events.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have more and better referencing than this. Bearcat (talk) 18:01, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I don't see any book reviews, or much of anything in sources otherwise. Nothing in news or a general Gsearch. Oaktree b (talk) 22:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can see three reviews for "Lickin' the Beaters 2: Vegan Chocolate and Candy" via Proquest, but not much else. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 07:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At the very least, reviews exist for Lickin' the Beaters 2 from Library Journal [32] and Vegetarian Journal [33], and there are two shorter reviews for the two Lickin' the Beaters cookbooks from Broken Pencil magazine [34][35]. Broken Pencil also has a good number of reviews on her zines, e.g., one for The Day I Stopped Being Punk [36]. There's also an interview with her in Joe Biel's Beyond the Music: How Punks are Saving the World with DIY Ethics, Skills, & Values (Microcosm Publishing) on pages 150–152. With more research, I think we could probably find more reviews of her works that would warrant inclusion of this article (per WP:NAUTHOR). Best, Bridget (talk) 15:40, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes a lot of reviews/mentions are before the internet existed as we know it. Broken Pencil reviewed all the zines, even some not listed on the wiki page. I've just found a Fascinating Folks from Broken Pencil (hopefully I'm doing this correctly, first time in one of these discussions... Maulydaft (talk) 13:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I "vote" Not to Delete. To the article I added an example of the HeartaCk column (magazine defunct), an inclusion of Fascinating Folks in Broken Pencil, an interview with Boardwalk Chocolates with T.O.F.U Magazine. Bitch Magazine also highlighted Fascinating Folks in an article but Bitch is also defunct. Maulydaft (talk) 19:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - here's another review. Nfitz (talk) 01:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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1974 Nicosia airport battle

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This article was recently copied over from simple:Battle of Nicosia Airport ~~spun off from Military operations during the Turkish invasion of Cyprus~~, but discussion at Talk:1974 Nicosia airport battle and my own check of available reliable sources have not uncovered sources with significant coverage. I'd be thrilled if anyone could prove me incorrect, but without that I'd propose re-merging this article and covering the topic in a paragraph or two, emulating the references used now in the article. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 05:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Actually it was taken from simple wikipedia according to the creator here. Also stop changing the name when nobody recognises it as such. As to coverage thats your opinion at this point. ShovelandSpade (talk) 08:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also to clarify the article has over 20 references ranging from journals, to books to news articles, it by more than far is in compliance with wikis notability guidelines, there are a few claims which are unreferenced but I am currently working on adding sources for them too (I didnt make the article so), doubt that warrants article deletion though. ShovelandSpade (talk) 10:05, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've corrected it. For more information about WP:SIGCOV, I'd invite you to re-read the article's talk page discussion. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 15:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. There are no reliable sources calling the events at Nicosia Airport during the day of the Military operations during the Turkish invasion of Cyprus#23 July 1974, the "Battle of Nicosia Airport". It is WP:OR by a single editor despite protests from editors in the WP:MILHIST project. They have ignored and/or reverted any attempt to address this issue (and are still edit warring).

The information about the event is already in the Military operations during the Turkish invasion of Cyprus#23 July 1974, and as the redirect of "Battle of Nicosia Airport" is really OR, I think it is more of a delete (and salt) than a merge. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Most sources in that page indicate both the severity and name the battle of the airport yet two users seem to not only disregard that, are also straight up lying about whats written.

Cyprus mail article- "The battle for Nicosia airport wasn’t – objectively speaking – the bloodiest of the many dark events that took place exactly 50 years ago, but it may have been the most consequential."

Reuters article- "this airport was the theatre of some of the fiercest battles between Greek Cypriot troops and an invading Turkish army in 1974"

Im seriously confused as to why you guys are stiring up such a problem with an article that has more than ample sources, if we compare articles with the same events, such as Battle of Paitilla Airport, the sources are not only very few, but oddly enough its still called "Battle of Paitilla Airport" even though I cant see any of the 5 sources stating that name clearly. ShovelandSpade (talk) 15:32, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If The Guardian says that there was a pitched "battle" between rioters and police in Trafalgar Square, that does not mean that we create an article for the Battle of Trafalgar Square. Aszx5000 (talk) 15:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Read what im saying and stop going off on a tangent. As youve displayed here, youre moving the goalposts as soon as you see that you are wrong. Also I dont know if youre playing dumb or trolling but what is the difference between "Battle of Nicosia airport" and "1974 Nicosia airport battle"? They both have that keyword battle, so again, I really dont understand your problem with this article when all other articles use the same logic. ShovelandSpade (talk) 15:56, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Including the name of the article you wish to have^ ShovelandSpade (talk) 15:57, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, the page was created by a sockpuppet and deleted. Now it is recreated again. Users should check the last cases here as they are overlapping edits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Cypriot_Chauvinist Shadow4dark (talk) 16:19, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Page was brought over from simple wikipedia by user @Athinezos, again, check page history. ShovelandSpade (talk) 16:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That explains a lot. thanks. Aszx5000 (talk) 18:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Harold Hadley (rugby league)

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Fails WP:BIO and WP:SPORTSCRIT. He only played one first grade game. Could not find any indepth coverage of this person including looking in google books and Australian database Trove including searches like: https://trove.nla.gov.au/?keyword=%22Harold%20Hadley%22%20AIF LibStar (talk) 05:06, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Lacks significant coverage and one appearance isn't a notable career. Mn1548 (talk) 13:27, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Diamond Garden Centres

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I cannot find sufficient reliable news coverage independent of the topic here, per WP:CORP Loewstisch (talk) 13:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per lack of WP:GNG and claim to WP:NCORP is none existent. Sources are 100% primary to the garden and its partners. It may be the largest garden chain but it clearly fails notability. Piscili (talk) 16:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Myron Rosander

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A cool person in the marching arts, but he sadly does not have any coverage save for a mention of death and an induction into a governing body's hall of fame. Why? I Ask (talk) 12:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Membership in the DCI hall of fame is the greatest honor one can achieve in the activity.

Also I edited the article to include additional references such as his listing in the Vanguard Hall of Fame, a bio in GPG Music, and Phantom Regiment's announcement of when he joined their staff.

Myron was a person who avoided the spotlight but was still well known and recognized in an activity that itself has very little outside coverage. He dedicated over thirty years of his life to pushing the artistic boundaries of this activity and deeply shaping the individuals who participated in it with him. You can see evidence of that in his DCI Hall of Fame Induction video at 2:15: "The feelings of love and admiration were truly palpable to all in attendance (of his Vanguard Hall of Fame induction ceremony). Indeed on that Saturday morning, Vanguard Hall was packed with friends and former members from Myron's history in drum corps." Also in Halftime Magazine's epitaph, Santa Clara Vanguard alum, Jeremy Van Wert quotes Rosander as saying, "If you think I’m here about winning a championship, you are dead wrong; I’m here because I care about the men and women you will become in the years after you leave Santa Clara Vanguard. I care about the human inside the uniform."

Especially considering the relative obscurity of the drum and bugle corps activity, I believe this depth and high level of recognition constitutes notability, per Wikipedia guidelines. Mrengy (talk) 02:15, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Currently, all of the sources, aside from his obituary and Hall of Fame bio, are from places where he was employed. That simply does not cut it for a biography. For an example of a person involved in drum corps that is also notable, see Bill Bachman. The difference between Rosander and Bachman is that Bachman has tertiary and secondary sources from reputable magazines and scholarly journals that discuss his work. Why? I Ask (talk) 02:27, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bulgarian exonyms

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Indiscriminate unreferenced list of proper names, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Other such articles have recently been deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French exonyms. toweli (talk) 10:59, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It could be worth keeping if it excludes obvious respellings. —Tamfang (talk) 23:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Arcline Investment Management

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Fails WP:NCORP. Refs are routine business news. scope_creep^Talk 12:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. I created the article after learning of the Omega Engineering incident, which was a notable computer sabotage attack in American history. Arcline has been acquiring companies, like Omega Engineering, and I simply wanted to create the article for the parent company. Note: At least 3 companies have Wikipedia articles that link to the parent company, Arcline. These companies also have subsidiaries which could make use of the Arcline article as a focal point. More can be added to the article but, nevertheless, I leave it in your competent hands. Usedbook (talk) 01:49, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Andy Dennehy

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Non-notable amateur sports person. In terms of WP:SPORTBASIC, the only coverage I can find is the stuff that I've added to the article. Most of which is not independent (like "listings" on personnel sheets of orgs with which the subject has a connection like these: [37][38][39]; Which, even if they were independent, are far from in-depth coverage). Or ROTM "match report" type passing mentions (like these: [40] [41]). In terms of WP:GNG, we barely have enough sources to establish even the sub-stub that we have. And certainly insufficient sources to expand any biographical information (DOB, place of birth, education, etc). A search in Irish news sources returns little to nothing. In the Irish Independent family of regional/national papers for example, all I can find are these two trivial passing mentions. Similar searches, in news sources like the Irish Examiner or Irish Times or RTE.ie, return nothing at all. Nothing. Not even trivial passing mentions. Notability is not established. Guliolopez (talk) 11:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC) Guliolopez (talk) 11:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I know nothing about how significant American football is in Ireland. That said, being one of the initial inductees into the Hall of Fame for American football in Ireland suggests he was at a minimum a pretty big frog in a little pond. Cbl62 (talk) 20:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Symbhav

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Fails the WP:NEVENTS, a particular annual event of a law college Pinakpani (talk) 09:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. 4 sources and all are poor. Source 1 has no coverage or even passing mention about the subject. Source 2 is deadlink. Source 3 has entry and Source 4 is a deadlink. No sources on the page with significant coverage to pass notability and this page also seems like promotion of an event held by law school students in Pune India. WP:PROMO. RangersRus (talk) 14:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect: A poorly sourced article about a student campus event. Searches find notices and PR infused notes about the participants "zeal and fervour", etc. In the absence of clear evidence that this particular student event is of wider notability, a redirect to Symbiosis_Law_School#Student_life where this is mentioned would seem a reasonable alternative to deletion. AllyD (talk) 07:19, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

C. K. Durga

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Promotion with "sources" like X or Facebook; I doubt the page meets GNG and BIO requirements. Old-AgedKid (talk) 08:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Question: Is winning an Nari Shakti Puraskar award enough for WP:GNG or WP:NACADEMIC? I don't see any WP:SIGCOV for this subject but she appears to have a significant academic track record, for which she won the aforementioned award.

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Hana Jonášová

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Tagged for BLP sourcing issues since 2012. Not clear that the subject passes WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 05:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete does not seem to pass the notability criteria. AntEgo (talk) 15:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to her mother Jana Jonášová per WP:NOTINHERITED if sources can't be found. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:08, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Flash Element TD

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Fails to meet WP:GNG. The largest review I found is still relatively tiny. There is simply insufficient SIGCOV to justify an article at all, with the previous AfD citing mere announcements. What was good enough for 2011 is no longer good enough for 2024. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The developer of this game is listed as a co-founder of Kixeye. IgelRM (talk) 19:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Parsa Mohammadi

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Fails notability, never even participated in a major event let alone winning something. he never won that medal mentioned in the article. Sports2021 (talk) 03:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Still another junior karateka with no success as an adult. The silver medal it shows for him at the Asian championships was in a cadet division (clear because the weight division given isn't used for adults and because he was only 15). The WKF database shows he won two fights to win the silver. He has never competed in a European or world championship as an adult. In fact, the WKF doesn't show him competing in any event as an adult yet. The sources are all from state media reporting on team results. No WP notability criteria are met. Papaursa (talk) 16:29, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I would like to provide some explanations regarding the proposal to delete this article, which may offer a different perspective on the issue. In karate, competitions and medals are directly related to the high level of skill and experience of the athletes. In this sport, there is no separation between age categories, and all competitions are highly competitive and professional.As a martial art, karate requires a high level of technique and focus, which can only be achieved through continuous training and competition at the adult level. In fact, karate practitioners compete with adults from the very beginning, and competitions are held in a professional and rigorous manner. The fact that the silver medal won at the Asian Championships for this athlete, regardless of age, reflects their high skill level and abilities on an international scale.Furthermore, deleting this article is not only incorrect but also unjustifiable according to Wikipedia's guidelines. This article should remain as a credible reference in the field of karate, as every sport requires documentation and resources that help showcase the history and achievements of its athletes.Ultimately, considering these points, deleting the article is not only a mistake but also results in the loss of an important part of the history and achievements of this athlete. The article should remain to aid in documenting and legitimizing this athlete’s contributions in the future.BookLover070 (talk) 19:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alireza Hashemzadeh

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Fails notability, most probably everything in this article is fake. he never won a gold medal at the Asian Games or 2019 Asian Senior Championships! he never participated in any major event. Sports2021 (talk) 02:40, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete He did not compete at the 2018 Asian Games, so that claim is false. The WKF database shows he is a registered competitor, but they show no record of him competing at any of their events. There are over 350 ranked competitors in his division, but he is not listed. The sources don't show WP notability or, in the case of his supposed Asian Games championship, what they're claimed to show. There is a source showing he won a bronze medal at the "2nd World Goju Karate Championship" in 2013 (he'd have been 17 or 18). The host South Africans won 21 of the 55 gold medals. His age, the medal distribution, and the fact that many of the divisions didn't even have enough competitors to give out all 4 medals all seem to point to this being a relatively minor event. I don't believe the coverage meets WP:GNG as it consists of lots of congratulatory reporting on results and celebrations over success at minor events. No evidence that any WP notability criteria is met. Papaursa (talk) 16:00, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Stalin Society

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Fails WP:ORG. Of the 14 sources given, only 3 are not self-published by the Stalin Society or its affiliates. Of the 3 sources that are not primary sources, the Stalin Society is only mentioned in passing, as an affiliation of individuals the authors are criticising. A search on Google, Google Books, and Google Scholar returns zero reliable sources with in-depth coverage of the organisation. Yue🌙 03:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per nom Orange sticker (talk) 15:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep coverage isn’t great but without too much searching I found this from The Independent, this Google book snippet and this from an independent (hostile) source. The article itself is well-written, neutral and discusses the society’s views by (correctly) referencing its own statements. Mccapra (talk) 22:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Modhalum Kaadhalum

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This is actually the third deletion discussion. Originally deleted under this discussion in early 2023 prior to being recreated under alternative name which was then a no consensus at this discussion. Out of the 21 references listed on the page this is the only reference that may be notable but I cannot read it so not sure. The rest fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA or are otherwise unreliable. Would recommend a redirect to the original program it is based on (Yeh Hai Mohabbatein). CNMall41 (talk) 03:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Keep: There are reliable sources present, opposed to deletion. Also have a strong references from (The Times of India, medianews4u.com, Dinamalar, Indian Express Tamil). It was one of the famous show, and also notable cast. Original program and Tamil version are very different.. story was also changes. also cast also different. the original version was aired 1,895 episodes (lot of cast and long story), Tamil version was aired only 304 episodes. i am against of recommend a redirect to the original program. i don't Kmow why, You are very interested in deleting this article. This is third time for Nomination of Modhalum Kaadhalum for deletion. Strong Keep--P.Karthik.95 (talk) 06:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The references that you state (which I am assuming are the ones on the page) are all unreliable and fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Cast, number of episodes, it being a "famous show" has no bearing on notability unless there is significant coverage from RELIABLE sources to support. Can you link to the sources that are significant (and reliable)? Please do not link to anything that falls under NEWSORGINDIA. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:27, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: and add sources like https://tamil.timesnownews.com/entertainment/modhalum-kaadhalum-serial-last-episode-coming-soon-at-vijay-tv-big-shock-to-fans-vikram-vedha-thanvi-article-110957049 (or similar articles in the same media, all bylined) or https://www.skspread.com/vijay-tv-modhalum-kaadhalum-serial-ending-soon-latest-news/ ; some of the numerous TOI articles can be used for verification; at the very least, redirect to List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Star_Vijay#Scripted_series_2 or merge with the article about the series it is a reboot of (Kalyanam Mudhal Kadhal Varai, rather than the original series, but would that help the reader as much as a page? Not sure. And a lot of informations would be lost. (Opposed to deletion, too) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:19, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Redirect to Yeh_Hai_Mohabbatein#Adaptations. Per nom. Sources are poor to unreliable like source 1,2,4,6,12,13,18,20,21 and the others fall in WP:NEWSORGINDIA criteria with promotion and launch of the show, mentions on debut of an actress, exit of an actress and cast additions. RangersRus (talk) 14:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Bulbulay characters

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Fails WP:NLIST and is basically a WP:CFORK of characters already listed in Bulbulay main Wikipedia page. Only three characters are sourced and the references do not match the description provided (I will stop short of saying they are WP:FAKEREF). I would normally recommend a redirect as an WP:ATD but do not believe one would be needed here. CNMall41 (talk) 02:46, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: as a standard WP:SPLITLIST of characters or redirect and merge to the main page if that seems feasible. (Note to "notability taggers": indicating the category (film, internet or in the present case television) puts the article on the radar of users willing to improve pages related to a given topic, whereas the "may not meet GNG" has it lost in an ocean of articles about other topics. Thank you) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, WP:SPLITLIST says when it is appropriate, not that it can be done despite notability. Must still meet WP:NLIST. Can you provide the sourcing that shows this? --CNMall41 (talk) 17:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Bulbulay: It doesn’t really need its own article; it could be merged into the parent article. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Plurality criterion

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Lack of notability. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 02:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kim Yu-song

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 02:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy keep - The player is clearly notable. There are some significant coverage about him, such as this article from Choson Sinbo or this article from SPOTV. The player also finished as the top scorer of of the 2017 AFC Cup, which is the equivalent of UEFA Europa League in Asia.:Lâm (talk) 07:01, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I'm not sure whether these would satisfy WP:GNG to be honest. The first article is very brief and doesn't talk about the individual in any great detail. The second has two sentences about him having x number goals in the North Korean league.
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My bad for the second source, I agree that the coverage about the player is too brief. However the first source from Choson Sinbo has a paywall, who always does very detailed coverage about North Korean players. Since there is minimal source for WP:V regarding this player, I think it's enough to establish notability since it's extremely difficult to find numerous coverages for North Korean players. Furthermore, the fact that he played in the 2019 AFC Asian Cup and winning the top scorer award in the AFC Cup makes him valid to pass WP:SPORTSPERSON. Lâm (talk) 08:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very weak keep I believe there maybe some content there, but I really struggle to understand sources. But there appears there maybe one or two notable aspects about him that can pass WP:BASIC, my vote is a very weak keep know. Govvy (talk) 16:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Drafify - to give Thplam2004 the chance to improve the sourcing/article. Giant Snowman 19:30, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bill Smith (underwater surveyor)

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Declined multiple times and rejected at AFC. This is all adequately covered in Bluebird K7 there is no requirement for a separate article on Smith. Theroadislong (talk) 14:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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DDelete: Per above. No need to waste time over this. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 14:51, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Bluebird K7 forms only a part of Bill Smith's pioneering work using adapted side-scan sonar equipment. Without his experience in this specific art, the site of K7's lake-bed location would not have been found anew. Also, through Bill Smith's own work on the HMHS Britannic search, the then unknown reasons for sinking of this important vessel, now a war grave, was established beyond doubt. You might have been influenced in your judgement by taking sides in what was an ugly editing war surrounding the Bluebird K7 article. So, yes you are right, but only up to a point. Bill Smith's work might have been "covered" but not "adequately covered". I shall continue to respond to any genuine suggestions for improvement to the article. Nigel PG Dale 15:04, 23 September 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Nigel PG Dale (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]

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Keep. It meets WP:GNG. There are at least three sources in the article including[42][43][44]. Then during a before search I found these sources [45][46]. With these it should scale though WP:GNG. That it was declined and rejected multiple times in the AFC is not a criteria for deletion. AFC is meant to incubate and develop an article to at least minimum acceptable standard. Piscili (talk) 16:18, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete blatant attempt by apparent WP:COI editor to get around the WP:AFC process and ignore community concerns. Same issues as noted there continue to apply. Melcous (talk) 21:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's no 'apparent' COI here, it's a very obvious one that Nigel has always been entirely open about. Unlike the several IPs that just happen to geolocate to one person with a known IRL grudge, no visible profile on Wikipedia and massive BF COI edits all over the K7 article. But hey, Wikipedia does just love to railroad a new editor, and even better if they're an outside subject expert but not part of the wikiclique.

Using AFC is how an outside COI editor is supposed to work. But, as always, they've been very badly treated here. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:31, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Dingley sorry I don't understand your point here. Yes, AFC is how a COI editor is supposed to work. Here, the COI editor chose to disregard that process and unilaterally moved the article to main space, hence this AfD. Who are you suggesting is being railroaded here? Melcous (talk) 06:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep Smith seems likely to be notable - he's been involved in multiple notable events, and he's made a widely recognised contribution to the historical record - but at present the only independent source in the article that discusses him in some detail is Knowles' The Bluebird Years. (Gina Campbell's memoir Daughter of Bluebird also has a section about him, but that's not a secondary source.) I'd go Keep if there was another independent, reliable profile along similar lines - maybe one of the contributors might have another book on Bluebird or Britannic that covers him? Adam Sampson (talk) 11:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Which seems pointless, given that @Explicit: has aready deleted it out of process. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:18, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Andy Dingley: If you could strike your misinformed accusation, that would be great. ✗plicit 03:34, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You deleted an article in mid AfD [47]. What part of our process does that follow? (Although it seems to fit perfectly with how this article has been treated) Andy Dingley (talk) 13:09, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody has deleted the article mid AfD. It has been moved due to incorrect naming, which is confusing sure, but not at all what you seem to be suggesting. Melcous (talk) 13:50, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Explicit deleted the article yesterday [48], leaving this AfD redlinked. They then, after I posted here, edited this AfD to fix the link. Now if I've misread the logs and the redlink was created by a move rather than a deletion, then I can only apologise. But my point stands: yet again there's a pointless move of this article before any discussion about the change, and during the discussion just so that discussion is disrupted and the article can then be conveniently G6'ed. This is careless, and it's not how we're meant to work. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:11, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As is clear from the diff you posted above, Nigel PG Dale moved the page, and all Explicit did was then delete the redirect that move had created. I later moved the article again due to a poor choice of disambiguation by the author, not realising the confusion that would create for this AfD, for which confusion I apologise. Again, all Explicit did in response was tidy up the links here, so I think you should either apologise to them or strike your comments accusing them of "deleting it out of process". Melcous (talk) 22:33, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note the article is now at Bill Smith (underwater surveyor) Maybe if it can be kept moving fast enough, Wikipedia will get to delete it before anyone notices? Andy Dingley (talk) 17:24, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Bluebird_K7#Recovery as an WP:ATD. Virtually all the coverage of the subject is in the context of the Bluebird recovery therefore WP:1E applies. Coverage of the 4 other underwater searches appear sparse; one is a simple mention only, and I've added CN tags to the other three as they are unsourced. ResonantDis_tortion 19:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Dewair (1606)

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This article is a WP: REDUNDANTFORK from Mughal conquest of Mewar. There was no need to create this standalone article as the content is already present in the other article. Hence it should be deleted. Admantine123 (talk) 01:23, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Benares brass

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"Benares brass" isn't a thing; it's just brass items made/sold in Varanasi. Just like there isn't a page for "Benares trinkets", there doesn't need to be one for Benares brass. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Contested PROD (I opposed it).

I would agree that 'Benares brass' isn't a thing. At least, not in the metallurgical sense, as a particular brass alloy. I may be wrong - place-specific alloys do sometimes turn up, owing to oddities of local material supply.

But I'm not convinced that 'brass and brasswork of Benares' isn't a thing, just based on the sources already attached to the article. Is brass manufacture a significant and distinctive industry specific to Benares? Now that's certainly a thing, and there are many such locations where particular forms of metalworking are both distinct (the place is significant to the craft of brassworking) and locally economically important (brass working is significant to the place). On my own doorstep, an article on 17th to 19th century brassworking around Bristol and the Avon valley would be very welcome. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Varanasi: Borderline notable at best, and would be much more suitable as part of the city's article per WP:NOPAGE, similar to how Moradabad does not have a separate page for its highly recognized brass industry. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 02:54, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Brown living

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Likely to fail WP:CORPDEPTH. Sourced to advertorials, promotional pieces.

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Mughal–Rajput wars

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This article is a poor WP:CONTENTFORK (WP:REDUNDANTFORK) from several articles like Rajput Rebellion (1708–1710), Rathore rebellion (1679–1707) and List of battles in Rajasthan. The individual topic like Battle of Khanwa has been stitched together to create an article suggesting that something like Mugal Rajput wars were a single homogeneous event spread over the different period of time. The individual topics are isolated events and a duplication from the List of battles in Rajasthan. So it should be deleted and content if anything that is here but not in List of battles in Rajasthan should be merged to latter. Admantine123 (talk) 01:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Battle of Khatu Shyamji

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The article is not fulfilling WP:GNG. It is based on single source and also a very insignificant event with not much content to write has been converted into an article.It should be deleted and content, if any found relevant should be merged into something related to List of battles in Rajasthan.Admantine123 (talk) 01:00, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Brazil women's national under-18 softball team

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Subject lacks the needed coverage from reliable secondary sources to meet the WP:NORG/WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 01:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – There is no Brazil women's under-18 team, only under-20 and under-17. Svartner (talk) 14:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yang Song-guk

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Article fails WP:GNG. Redirect to 1966 World Cup squad. Simione001 (talk) 00:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I saw the film The Game of Their Lives and it has sigcov on him. I kept a notebook with the content discussing him that I'll have to find. I believe one scene had a player saying something like 'here's [North Korean] newspaper headlines I kept on all of our players' – so it's clear that the players (especially the significant ones like Yang) had sigcov. Let me draftify and I'll turn it into something good. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify per above. Just realized from this that documentaries can count as sigcov, thanks! May be able to write some articles based on subjects covered in documentaries. seefooddiet (talk) 12:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - played at the World Cup, Olympics, and managed the national team?! Clearly notable. Giant Snowman 18:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep – Due to the lack of sources, the tendency is for it to be deleted, but in fact this seems to be one of the most relevant players in North Korea. Svartner (talk) 00:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: There's some coverage on page 18 of this North Korean book [49] and in this book [50]. Is that enough for sigcov? Should be notable as the captain of the squad. Oaktree b (talk) 01:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of presidents of Southern University

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Completely unsourced list of presidents, if content is with keeping it could easily be accommodated at the main article. AusLondonder (talk) 00:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- Merge with Southern University. Southern University is obviously notable, but I don't think the list of presidents warrants its own article. Best to merge it into the university's article. Adding sources shouldn't be too hard; I've already found 2 independent sources talking about presidents of the university just from a quick Google.
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Merge. It doesn't have the independent coverage as a general topic to convince me of WP:NLIST, and it's only a dozen lines of tabular content; it could easily be merged into the main article without causing significant balance issues. An alternative possibility might be to split off History of Southern University as a separate article and include the presidency there, but currently the sourcing of the history section of the main article is so poor that I don't think it can support a separate article. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge is the best way to deal with this, for other schools this is the best way forward. I understand why someone would make this but still it's not really notable on it's own. Dr vulpes (Talk) 07:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Atlético Mineiro transfers 2011

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All of these lists do not pass WP:SALAT as they are too specific and most are already in their club season's article. Club specific youth-to-first team moves are not notable enough to be stand-alone lists. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 23:52, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to the club season article where applicable, such as 2011 Clube de Regatas do Flamengo season#Transfers, delete the rest (i.e. those without season articles) as overly specific list topics. Geschichte (talk) 16:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete of the "Categories of Base" ones. Strange and unprecedented topic. Geschichte (talk) 16:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't see season pages, either merge into transfer pages or season pages, if not then I don't see any other alternative other than deletion. It would be lost data from wikipedia then. Transfers can be notable, but this is not how we should handle the data. This is down to either kill or keep. Cheers. Govvy (talk) 16:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - I usually advise against such bulk nominations, but these types of articles are inherently non-notable, at most we have a season article. No point redirecting as the search term is improbable. Giant Snowman 19:29, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge – With the articles corresponding to club seasons (ex List of Clube de Regatas do Flamengo transfers 2009 → 2009 Clube de Regatas do Flamengo season). I also support delete for the List of Flamengo Categories of Base transfers 2010 and List of Flamengo Categories of Base transfers 2011. Svartner (talk) 19:31, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2018 Case of babies born without arms in France

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A news story about a cluster of birth defects that was never substantiated as being noteworthy or having an external cause. The government study did not find anything; apart from one journal article [51] there does not seem to be any follow-up coverage. Walsh90210 (talk) 00:07, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Delete per the nomination.--Mpen320 (talk) 16:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]