Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flemeth

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. WP:SNOW keep; withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I tried to do BEFORE, but most of them are just passing mentionsthat talk about Flemeth or trivial content. The onlt SIGCOV we got is the scholar "Powerful elderly characters in video games: Flemeth of Dragon Age", but I don't think it is enough to carry the article's notability. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 23:01, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Video games. Shellwood (talk) 23:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep It seems to me that the nomination is discounting secondary source which do not have Flemeth as their main topic, which is not in keeping with WP:SIGCOV. We do have enough reception and analysis by secondary sources to write a full article right now, which is exactly what the notability guideline requires. Granted, some of the coverage works equally well for Flemeth the character as it does for the Dragon Age game, but that then means we would have a question of WP:PAGEDECIDE rather than notability. And I personally think that this topic is better covered here, as it would be too detailed for the main Dragon Age article. The mentioned article "Powerful elderly characters in video games: Flemeth of Dragon Age", together with the chapter in Ctrl-Alt-Play: Essays on Control in Video Gaming and Stang's "The Broodmother as Monstrous-Feminine—Abject Maternity in Video Games" alone provide enough coverage, I do not find this coverage trivial. Much more so taking the other sources both present in the article and in the searches into account. Daranios (talk) 10:12, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To make the notability question even clearer, this academic publication, Kansanperinne 2.0, has a 3-page chapter dedicated to Flemeth (p. 346-349), with much the same discussion as the other academic sources (complex character, unusual traits for an elder female character), plus more on p. 340, 357, 359. Daranios (talk) 15:25, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting find right there. I feel like I'm convinced now that the article could be notable; however I wouldn't withdraw to avoid a super vote outcome. Many thanks. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 05:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If there are no !votes for deletion, redirection, or merging, there would be no supervote concerns. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 06:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Science fiction and fantasy. Daranios (talk) 15:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per the source analysis provided by Daranios. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 19:35, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above. Per Cukie Gherkin, there are no supervote concerns here, and nom can safely withdraw without issue. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 23:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Withdraw I am satisfied with the recent findings. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 01:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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