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"Notability" is the most ridiculous thing about Wikipedia and why it will never be taken seriously.

Make up your mind: either make an open encyclopedia, or make it restrictive based on "notability". You can't have it both ways Wikipunks! -Anonymouse —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.151.21.104 (talk) 19:28, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If del.icio.us could be in Wikipedia, Netvibes should be here, because is a web service too. Why not? In fact, should be an article that lists all the web-based RSS readers.

The concern is about notability. Please see the guidelines and provide references. -- Barrylb 03:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think the preceding was an analogy pointing out that if del.icio.us is noteworthy, then by dint of their similarities, Netvibes should be considered noteworthy as well.

I agree with the parent post. SaulPerdomo 19:33, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Netvibes has actually more than 1 million users, I think is enough. I saw articles about lot of things and web that hasn't the 1% of popularity than netvibes. Sorry, but I think is ridiculous the idea of deleting this article just because you thik that has no "notability". With your criteria 90% of articles in Wikipedia should not exist. put netvibes in google and has 7.300.000 references... is enough?

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Netvibes receives special mention on a number of Wikipedia pages, presumably a valid reference source. Furthermore, Netvibes is arguably the most popular of the AJAX destops (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_desktops), & as such stands as an important example of a noteworthy trend in web design. As an aside, it would be better if articles were presumed noteworthy, since it's hard to know whether even the most esoteric information is not of use to a significant population of readers. After all, that's one of Wikipedia's strengths as against traditional encyclopedias--a breadth of topical & off-the-beaten-path information. Not wise to stifle that with the conception notion of 'notability' outlined in Wikipedia's guidelines (coupled with the love of certain officious types for pointless censorship).

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The fact that Netvibes is mentioned in a few Wikipedia articles does not by itself make it notable. AJAX is notable, and Netvibes might be mentioned in the AJAX article, but being mentioned in an article doesn't automatically promote the subject to noteworthiness. And if you think Netvibes is noteworthy, perhaps it's best to but whatever information proves it into the article itself--rather than just on the talk page. Oh, and as far as presumed noteworthy is concerned--you never presume noteworthiness. That must always be proven because 99.999% of stuff out there is not noteworthy.--Mumia-w-18 17:42, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there. A few article I gathered to assert notability. Make good use of it...

Netvibes is one of the 50 best websites of 2007 according to Time

...and is ranked #9 in Time's user poll

NYT: "One of the best examples of the diffusion of Internet-style business creation is Tariq Krim, chief executive of Netvibes. His Paris-based company was a pioneer in the design of a Web service that allows users to personalize their start page, shifting the control away from the traditional Internet portal companies."

CNet's Webware 2007 winner in the Browsing category, along Firefox, Yahoo!, etc.

Winner of the 2007 Web 2.0 award in the Start page category

"Netvibes has been nominated as one of the ten technology firms most likely to change the world"

Finalist in The Next WebAwards' Disruptors category

"Netvibes is one of the leaders in the space."

"Netvibes is one of the pioneers of the personalized home page" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xibe (talk • contribs) 11:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cleaned up the article some and added references. Since this article was created, I am satisfied regarding notability. WP:RS was lacking and I have found a number of references which I have added.

"Your opinion regarding what you can find for references should not matter. Just because you are ignorant/clueless on where this service is referenced, does not make it non-notable. When will hubris of the editors kill Wikipedia? I hope it changes..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.151.21.104 (talk) 19:30, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I feel the article can be cleaned up a little more to make it more of an encyclopedia article but it passes Wikipolocy now. --Pmedema (talk) 19:53, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've been getting odd referrer spam from Russia linking to a Netvibes page. The referer is a page that contains no links to any of our pages, and the URL is a very odd one full of space characters. Not saying Netvibes is necessarily involved here, but it certainly seems odd, and it's not the first time people have seen this. GreenReaper (talk) 18:00, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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This was an unusually strange revert. There was already a tag that was identical. We don't pile on identical tags. What could the editor possibly be thinking to reinsert the tag? Please give thought when you revert good edits by other editors. Especially, when using tools. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Netvibes&diff=924985660&oldid=924981711 And please self-revert. This revert made zero sense. --2604:2000:E010:1100:C0B3:C19:F51D:2CC (talk) 03:29, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There, I fixed it. Positive contributions are welcome, but spamming articles with the same redundant and arbitrary list of competing companies is disruptive. When you force other people to clean up your messes, don't be to surprised if they don't do a stellar job. Grayfell (talk) 03:34, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

• What I think should be changed (include citations):

Hello Wikipedians! I've included a draft of proposed changes to the Netvibes Wikipedia page. Below is an updated copy and the reasoning behind these changes. While we strive to provide edits to meet and adhere to the many standards of Wikipedia, there will undoubtedly be areas needing your skilled eye(s) (please make any changes or omissions you deem necessary to maintain Wikipedia's credibility). Thank you!

Replace (History Section):

Founded in 2005 by Tariq Krim and Florent Frémont,^[1] the company provided software for personalized dashboards for real-time monitoring, social analytics, knowledge sharing, and decision support.

On February 9, 2012, Dassault Systèmes announced the acquisition of Netvibes.^[2] As of 2024, the Netvibes brand is comprised of three French software companies acquired by Dassault Systèmes:

• Exalead: founded in 2000 by François Bourdoncle, the company provided search platforms and search-based applications for consumer and business users. On June 9, 2010, Dassault Systèmes acquired the company.^[3]
• Netvibes: the company provided software for personalized dashboards for real-time monitoring, social analytics, knowledge sharing, and decision support.
• Proxem: Founded in 2007 by François-Régis Caumartin, the company provided AI-powered semantic processing software and services.^[4] On June 23, 2020, Dassault Systèmes acquired Proxem and integrated its technology into the 3DEXPERIENCE® platform to complement its information intelligence applications.^[5]

• Why it should be changed

The company history has no updates since 2012. This change is suggested to reflect Netvibes from its time as a startup to today as an entity under the umbrella of Dassault Systemes. This includes the mergers and acquisitions that makeup NETVIBES today. This format replicates similar Wikipedia articles such as: Palantir Technologies and Salesforce.

• References supporting the possible change (footnotes 1 & 2 are copied from existing article):

Thank you for volunteering your time to review these suggestions. GreenAppleClimber (talk) 20:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. Some or all of the changes may be promotional in tone.

What I think should be changed (include citations):

Hello Wikipedians! Thank you for applying the most recent changes. I've included a draft of proposed changes to the Netvibes Wikipedia page. Below is an updated copy and the reasoning behind these changes. While we strive to provide edits to meet and adhere to the many standards of Wikipedia, there will undoubtedly be areas needing your skilled eye(s) (please make any changes or omissions you deem necessary to maintain Wikipedia's credibility). Thank you!

• Replace "Activities Section" title to "Product Portfolio"

Why: There are few if any Wikipedia pages with this section header for similar products. Palantir Technologies and Salesforce both possess titles called products and services respectively.

• Replace Activities Section text with below:

Product Portfolio

NETVIBES data science solutions help Dassault Systèmes customers leverage their data to speed up their time to value in the following areas:^[1]

• Planning: Gain decision-making insights on market trends, programs and products to achieve targets.^[2]
• Virtual Product Development: Improve product performance.^[3]
• Value Network: Optimize component sourcing and standardization with savvy part management.^[4]
• Customer Experience: Maximize product availability with data-driven asset operations management.^[5]
• Collaboration and Intelligence: Create informed decisions with data by connecting people, data and processes.^[6]

NETVIBES’ software can be applied to: orchestrate the execution of large projects,^[7] anticipate maintenance issues and product parts replacements,^[8] manage the impacts of market volatility,^[9] generate decision-making insights on products, programs, and market trends to achieve business targets, enforce sustainability goals, combine artificial intelligence and 3D similarity search to optimize product part sourcing and standardization , and better understand the market, consumer, and competition, in terms of trends, analytics, and (weak or strong) signals.^[10]

Why: As detailed in the prior request, NETVIBES has gone through substantial mergers, acquisitions, and pivots in business strategies and offerings. Prior to the previous edit request, the page has not had any major updates to relevant information since 2012. The changes here reflect the company as it currently stands as opposed to the startup (and different entity) it once was. These edits are intended to improve the page and bring this Wikipedia resource up to date.

• Closing remarks

Every effort has been made to maintain the format and styling of the existing approved Wikipedia page for NETVIBES. Please make any changes or adjustments that you deem fit. Thank you for the donation of your valuable personal time toward enhancing Wikipedia. GreenAppleClimber (talk) 14:29, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: A majority of the requested changes are currently written in a promotional tone. Please review WP:Neutral point of view and ensure you follow this before submitting any edit requests. Please describe what the product does, not why customers should use it. All I am getting from this description is that it does something with data analysis, probably to do with marketing. Rusalkii (talk) 23:39, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Rusalkii, thank you for your attention to detail and for providing recommendations on improving the tone. Your time and suggestions are greatly appreciated. On closer inspection, I agree with you, it's not clear what the product does. I'll revise this text and review WP:Neutral point of view further to improve it. Thank you again! GreenAppleClimber (talk) 19:01, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. Some or all of the changes may be promotional in tone.

What I think should be changed (include citations):

Hello Wikipedians and Rusalkii! Thank you for the guidance on our last submission. I believe it was very helpful in reexamining our content. I've included an updated draft of proposed changes to the Netvibes Wikipedia page. Below is an updated copy and the reasoning behind these changes. I truly appreciate your help. Thank you!

• Replace Activities Section text with below:

NETVIBES data science solutions provide Dassault Systèmes customers with insights in context to make business decisions based on data in the following domains:^[1]

• Planning: Customizable dashboards enable real-time analysis of project and program data, offering insights into market trends and product development. This information can be used to set and achieve organizational targets.^[2]
• Virtual Product Development: Key performance indicators (KPIs) such as product sustainability, weight, and cost can be monitored to identify areas for improvement, which can enhance overall product performance.^[3]
• Value Network: Reduce the product parts catalog and analyze expenditures. Organizations can identify the best parts for reuse or purchase, thereby optimizing component standardization and sourcing.^[4]
• Customer Experience: Manage the maintenance of assets in operation, tracking product performance and ensuring their availability, thus enhancing the customer experience.^[5]
• Collaboration and Intelligence: Connect people, data, and processes to facilitate better collaboration among teams, supporting informed decision-making and improving operational efficiency.^[6]

NETVIBES’ software can be applied to: orchestrate the execution of large projects,^[7] anticipate maintenance issues and product parts replacements,^[8] manage the impacts of market volatility,^[9] generate decision-making insights on products, programs, and market trends to achieve business targets, enforce sustainability goals, combine artificial intelligence and 3D similarity search to optimize product part sourcing and standardization , and better understand the market, consumer, and competition, in terms of trends, analytics, and (weak or strong) signals.^[10]

Why:

• I have reviewed WP:Neutral point of view and to my understanding believe the updated content to fit the requirements.
• As requested by Rusalkii: "Please describe what the product does, not why customers should use it."

-Detail has been added to each product to describe the function (i.e. dashboards, data monitoring, analysis, and network platforms). Going beyond the outcome of using it. Various use cases potentially relevant to the reader are also listed.

As in the prior request, NETVIBES has gone through substantial mergers, acquisitions, and pivots in business. Prior to the previous edit request, the page has not had any major updates to relevant information since 2012. The changes here reflect the company as it currently stands as opposed to the startup (and different entity) it once was. These edits are intended to improve the page and bring this Wikipedia resource up to date.

• Closing remarks

Thank you for the donation of your valuable personal time toward enhancing Wikipedia.

That's somewhat better, but it still sounds like marketese. "data science solutions" "insights in context" "make business decisions" "achieve organizational targets" "enhance overall product performance" etc etc etc. Rusalkii (talk) 20:58, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Rusalkii! I see what you're saying. Thanks for pointing out some examples. I can revise these and make them more objective. GreenAppleClimber (talk) 16:03, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. Some or all of the changes may be promotional in tone.

Most recent update requests (include citations):

Hello @Rusalkii and editors! Thanks again for your help and taking your time to provide some examples of text needing changes. Below is an updated copy for submission. I truly appreciate your help. Thank you!

• Replace Activities Section text with below:

NETVIBES data science software provides Dassault Systèmes customers with contextual insights to support data-driven decision-making across various domains:^[11]

• Planning: Customizable dashboards enable real-time analysis of project and program data, providing information on market trends and product development for meeting organizational goals.^[12]
• Virtual Product Development: Key performance indicators (KPIs) such as product sustainability, weight, and cost can be tracked to identify areas for functional improvement.^[13]
• Value Network: Reduces the product parts catalog and analyzes expenditures. Organizations can identify the best parts for reuse or purchase, streamlining component standardization and procurement.^[14]
• Customer Experience: Manages assets in operation, tracking product performance and ensuring their availability, maintaining customer satisfaction.^[15]
• Collaboration and Intelligence: Connects people, data and processes, facilitating collaboration, improving operational effectiveness, and supporting informed decisions.^[16]

NETVIBES artificial intelligence and 3D similarity search functionalities can be used to manage large workflows, ^[17] predict maintenance needs and product parts replacements,^[18] optimize product part sourcing and standardization, address market volatility,^[19] and analyze trends for informed decision-making and sustainability adherence.^[20]

Why:

• As suggested by @user:Rusalkii: I've focused on eliminating excess content to provide clear, concise descriptions explaining exactly what the product does - omitting perceived benefits by the user.
• Detail has been added to each product to describe the function (i.e. dashboards, data monitoring, analysis, and network platforms).

As in the prior requests, NETVIBES has gone through substantial mergers, acquisitions, and pivots in their overall business functions. Prior to the previous edit request, the page has not had any major updates to relevant information since 2012. The changes here reflect the company as it currently stands as opposed to the startup (and different entity) it once was. These edits are intended to improve the page and bring this Wikipedia resource up to date.

• Closing remarks

Thank you for the donation of your valuable personal time toward enhancing Wikipedia. GreenAppleClimber (talk) 13:27, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Still far too promotional. Substantially the same as the previously declined request. Axad12 (talk) 11:00, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]