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Freemasonry in Massachusetts dates to the early 18th century, and the foundation of its Grand Lodge is wound through with the threads of the (then) ongoing disputes between the Moderns and the Antients.

After the formation of the Grand Lodge of England (later referred to as the Moderns) in 1717, and the amalgamation of individual Lodges into that body, Lodges and Masons in the Boston area asked one Brother Henry Price to go to London, and petition the Grand Lodge for a Warrant in order to be considered regular, in accordance with a regulation dated in 1721.

== First Provincial Grand Lodge == by the Grand Lodge of England (Moderns) 1733

Price did so, and returned in the spring of 1733 with more than just a Warrant for an individual Lodge - he was made "the Provincial Grand Master of New England and Dominions and Territories thereunto belonging" by the Grand Master, The Right Honorable and Right Worshipful Anthony Lord Viscount Montague.

This Provincial Grand Lodge was historically known as St. John's Grand Lodge, and chartered numerous Lodges in the Colonies, the first one, in Boston, being known and recorded as First Lodge in the English rolls of 1734, now known as St. John's Lodge.

(problem here:  at http://www.mastermason.com/wilmettepark/Revere.html only four Lodges were listed as having been created by St. John's Grand Lodge
* St. John’s Lodge, Boston - 1733
* Philanthropic Lodge (originally St. John's Lodge, Marbelhead - 1760
* St. John’s Lodge, Newburyport - 1766
* Union Lodge, Nantucket - 1771

However, on the Grand Lodge of Massachusetts webpage, under the history of the GL, we find, regarding the St. John's Grand Lodge, that after First Lodge was chartered "Within the colony, four more Lodges were chartered in Boston and one each at Salem, Marblehead, Newburyport and Nantucket."

Eight more Lodges were chartered in Massachusetts by this body, bringing the total to nine:

First Lodge (St. John's Lodge), Boston - 1733

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, Salem

Philanthropic Lodge (originally St. John's Lodge), Marbelhead - 1760

St. John’s Lodge, Newburyport - 1766

Union Lodge, Nantucket - 1771

Lodge of St Andrew warranted by GL of Scotland (which, with the Irish Grand Lodge at the time, were considered Antients) 1756 which became a Provincial GL in 1769, by joining with three British military units in petitioning the GL of Scotland:

Lodge of St. Andrew (Scotland)

British Army Lodge #58 (Antient) in the 14th (Irish) Regiment of Foot

Glittering Star Lodge #322 (Ireland) with the 29th regiment

Lodge Number 106 (Scotland) with the 64th regiment (which left before the inauguration of the GM, Joseph Warren http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/the_builder_1918_october.htm)

Due to the Revolution, and based on the state of affairs between the US and Great Britain, the Scottish Provincial Grand Lodge drafted new constitutions, breaking from the Grand Lodge of Scotland and becoming Massachusetts Grand Lodge, 1782.

There was a growing rift in the Lodge of St Andrew regarding this decision to seperate, and in December of that same year, it came to a vote. Thirty Masons voted to stay part of the Grand Lodge of Scotland, and nineteen voted for the Massachusetts Grand Lodge. No action was taken on this vote, and it was laid on the table until the end of the war. In January of 1784, they voted again, with twenty-nine voting for Scotland, and twenty-three for Massachusetts. Those voting for membership in the Massachusetts Grand Lodge were expelled from the Lodge of St. Andrew. However, they formed their own Lodge of St. Andrew under the new Massachusetts Grand Lodge, which caused confusion for some time, until it was renamed Rising States Lodge.

as follows - Provincial GL by the Grand Lodge of England (Moderns) 1733; Lodge of St Andrew warranted by GL of Scotland (Antients) 1756, ; post revolution, Provincial Grand Lodge (Antients) drafts new constitutions, becoming Massachusetts Grand Lodge (Antients)1782; Lodge of St Andrew votes to stay part of the GL of Scotland, dissentors expelled from St Andrew and become new Lodge under Grand Lodge of Massachusetts (Antients) 1784; Union of St John Grand Lodge (Moderns dating from 1733) and the Massachusetts Grand Lodge (Antients from 1769) 1792, creating (formal title) the Most Worshipful Grand Lodge of Ancient Free and Accepted Masons in Massachusetts (now - of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts; Lodge of St Andrew affiliates with

Vidkun - You asked me to pop by and take a look at your work on the GL Mass... It looks very promising. Well done, good and faithful servent, and keep up the good work. I look forward to your continued contributions (both here and on other pages). Blueboar 20:12, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Vidkun. I do not know if you asking just me - about userboxes - or if it was a general posting? Anyway SarekOfVulcan answered it – (on. My talk page?). I do not have the time to find "how to", as I'm too busy doing a run-up to several Installation meetings - accross Orders. Anyway done-and-done, ok? Skull 'n' Femurs 14:48, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Waves on the Square to you... The "box" observation was not made to cause offence, but just out of interest – since the box stuff was being discussed, and I noticed your userpage. Have you looked at my page? Yours in Amity, Skull 'n' Femurs 16:54, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vidkun, I'm "Reformed" not RC, so I do not Check out KofC. See MS Japan's page, and mine, about not being able to "vet" use of "S&C" on Wiki. So I trust you are what you say - without giving any "secrets" away :) As to Wicca/Craft, well as your religion is your business - whatever... All the best, Skull 'n' Femurs 17:24, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It seems severeral Brethren blanked jahbulon.gif saying that it was copyright to some anti-masonic publication or other. This is some sort of “crime” against the gods of Wiki. They sure do get protective over this word – which prompts the question – why? Anyway, we all live quite close together, so I think they blocked one IP address and caught us all as collateral damage. I can get into Wikionary now, so the IP address has changed again, or the block has been lifted. We’ll get our revenge – come the revolution – send in the men in black, ha ha! ;) Skull 'n' Femurs 15:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm probably in the best position out of anybody on WP to help you work on your GLMA article. However, can you set it up as a subpage rather than have it on the talk page? It will make it easier to work with, I think, as it's a question of adding and rewriting, not just adding.MSJapan 04:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi.

It seems we have a vandal / misguided editor working on the article again... Jimmy James (seems, based on his edits, to be 24.68.242.147 logged in). I feel he needs to be keept an eye on.

I'm placing this notice on the talkpages of frequent editors on the topics of masonry - Im allready hovering close to 3RR and don't want to break the rules, and I got paying (but less interesting) work that needs doing.

WegianWarrior 10:11, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I thought the star was the symbol of satanism,not Paganism? Batzarro 13:58, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]