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I think that calling Robert Winnicki or Grzegorz Braun far-right is not right. Winnicki is Polish classical nationalist like Roman Dmowski who was right-wing. There's nothing extreme in Winnicki's political statement I guess. Tashi _{Talk to me} 18:26, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

They are both firmly far-right by any academic criteria applied Abcmaxx (talk) 23:14, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Because this picture is from europeans election with name Korwin Braun Liroy Narodowcy. Actual name is Wolność i Niepodległość. Historyk55635 (talk) 21:55, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The All-Polish Youth, although not officially the youth-wing of Confederation, it is a youth organization which officially joined Confederation on 6 December 2018 alongside the National Movement party, similarly to the Youth for Freedom, which is the youth wing of the KORWiN party, therefore should we add them to the article? Also, during the 2020–21 women's strike protests in Poland, Robert Bąkiewicz the founder of the March for Independence, formed the National Guard (Polish: Straż Narodowa) in order to protect churches and other objects from vandalization. Some branches of Confederation, such as the one in Tarnobrzeg, formed their own National Guard groups, thus should we add the National Guard as a de-facto paramilitary wing of Confederation (even if they are not de-jure affiliated, I believe)? HorCrux48 (talk) 11:09, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What do reliable sources have to say? Robby.is.on (talk) 13:27, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately there are no sources in the English language, however, the All-Polish Youth and the Youth for Freedom are the youth wings of both National Movement and KORWiN respectively, which effectively form the Confederation coalition. Moreover, the formation of the National Guard in Tarnobrzeg by local Confederation activists as mentioned earlier was reported by Onet.pl, one of the major news outlets in Poland (https://wiadomosci.onet.pl/rzeszow/tarnobrzeg-przeor-dominikanow-wyprosil-straz-narodowa/k6pe1cp). HorCrux48 (talk) 14:17, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings. A similar issue unfolded on the Communist Party of Kampuchea article where the infobox was bloated with unsourced ideologies, which is also present here. Under the "internal factions" section, a plethora of unsourced ideologies are there, thus I suggest removing all of them except paleoconservatism and paleolibertarianism as those are the only two with citations. - Rediculizer42 (talk) 14:17, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Abcmaxx: I think there is a misunderstanding over what @Helper201: meant by "parties’ respective pages". When I first read the edit summary I also initially assumed it referred to the parties' websites but I'm pretty sure it's about their respective articles on Wikipedia. And I think it makes sense to ensure consistency between the descriptions here and those on the respective articles. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 19:22, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Robby.is.on: This can go both ways though? Are the articles sourced? Because otherwise we could argue that the articles are not in line with this one Abcmaxx (talk) 20:44, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rediculizer42 and Abcmaxx, yes, I meant what is cited on their Wikipedia articles, not their party websites. Helper201 (talk) 04:33, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Janusz Korwin-Mikke and Grzegorz Braun are regarded in Poland as one of the most pro-Russian politicians, and the Supervisory Board cooperates with extremely nationalist circles such as the National-Radical Camp. 188.33.224.187 (talk) 11:26, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for bringing this up. I had to revert your changes to the article for now because you didn't supply sources for the additions. Can you provide WP:Reliable sources that support what you are saying? It's not enough for us editors to consider something true we also need to be able to back it up. See WP:Verifiability. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 11:29, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.polsatnews.pl/wiadomosc/2022-05-25/sejm-nagana-dla-korwina-mikke-polityk-ukarany-za-wypowiedzi-o-masakrze-w-buczy/

https://niezalezna.pl/459608-korwin-mikke-stanal-w-obronie-brauna-ktory-przysluzyl-sie-rosyjskiej-propagandzie-absurdalny-argument

https://oko.press/narodowcy-od-bakiewicza-z-3-milionami-dotacji-od-rzadowego-funduszu/ 188.33.224.187 (talk) 11:32, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

in Polish 188.33.224.187 (talk) 11:33, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

wikipedia rarely uses the other term "far-left", therefore you have a left-wing bias and framing in place. Better being right than wrong. 80.131.54.92 (talk) 23:15, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia describes topics as independent reliable sources do. If you have independent reliable sources that describe a topic as "left wing", please offer them on the appropriate article talk page. With regards to this article, if you are arguing that sources do not describe this party as right wing, please explain how the sources are in error. If the sources are accurate and use this term, but you disagree with them doing so, you will need to take that up with them, not us. 331dot (talk) 23:18, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As an example, the New Democratic Party in Canada is describe as being on the "left". 331dot (talk) 23:19, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Better right than wrong. Why this left-wing smear tactic, wikipedia? You can do better than this. Try conservative, right-wing conservative, free-market liberal, libertarian or patriotic. 80.131.58.157 (talk) 19:35, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the people before. This is not far-right party. AIexperts (talk) 02:00, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:reliable sources disagree. They consider the alliance far-right. See the lengthy footnote in the "Ideology and position" section. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 07:38, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please correct the term. Tomekyy (talk) 16:45, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As mentioned in the section just above this one, the description is supported by plenty of reliable sources. See the footnote in the "Ideology and position" section of the article. Robby.is.on (talk) 21:46, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the article is ready to be protected again, not just because of constant vandalism in recent period, but also because of the upcoming election in Poland. Vacant0 (talk) 19:37, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Party is pro-russia. 2A02:3030:811:650F:1:0:EB78:3254 (talk) 17:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@2A02:3030:811:650F:1:0:EB78:3254 It is described as "pro-Russian" by its political opponents and some media outlets, but in fact the Confederation has never done anything that would give it the right to call the party that way. Bociek O-le (talk) 19:22, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]