User talk:Adrignola/2010/06

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I am not sure whether the change to float on the templates A101 page was yours or not but I had to change it back again to align because I need to convey the ability of centering a table; float is not defined for centering.

Thanks, Armchair (talk) 11:56, 9 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

Understandable. I suppose anyone working to use XHTML rather than HTML would use custom code anyway in developing their templates. I've found your note of the collapsible and collapsed classes enlightening, as it would simplify a lot of the drop-control templates here. – Adrignola ^{talk contribs} 12:01, 9 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

I see you deleted the requirement to include any license text from Help:Print_versions, commenting CC-BY-SA license does not require text of license be included; attribution already provided via automatic link on print versions to page derived from. But I don't see how this automatic link applies to paper copies of books. Don't you need to explicitly mention something about licensing in the book font page, so this appears on the paper copy? Also, can books previously licensed under GFDL be switched over to CC by SA? Recent Runes (talk) 19:03, 13 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

They've all been switched over to CC-BY-SA, whether they like it or not. Hence the licensing update to all Wikimedia sites. Some disagreed with that, but the fact is that it's been done. Also, take a look at the PDF rendering of Wikibooks:Collections/Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter/Books. The very last page of the rendered PDF includes a mention of the CC-BY-SA license and a link to view it. The pages before that list the URLs for the pages that the PDF was made from. Click the "printable version" link on any page and there's a link to the page at the bottom and a mention of the CC-BY-SA license it's licensed under. So every output has a mention of the license and attribution to the source, and that license is now CC-BY-SA. – Adrignola ^{talk contribs} 19:24, 13 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

Right, I see it now. Does that mean any citations of GFDL should be deleted and books that now include the GFDL templates should be modified not to use them? Recent Runes (talk) 21:21, 13 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

There isn't a huge rush to do so, but books with those templates or with the GFDL on the print version are disingenuous in that they don't mention the new licensing terms. – Adrignola ^{talk contribs} 22:31, 13 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

Perhaps as an interim measure, the templates could be changed to cite CC-BY-SA if that is the current policy. Most authors are probably unaware of the change. I don't recall there being any general announcements myself. Recent Runes (talk) 22:59, 13 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

What's the point of the language task forces? The only use I can think of is to have a place to discuss issues relevant for multiple books about one language (in order to avoid language-specific discussions on the general language project page). However, I don't think it is a good idea to fragment the discussion this way and spread it over a number of pages; I would rather like to see one central place to discuss all questions that go beyond an individual book (even if the problem is specific to one particular language). --Martin Kraus (talk) 12:43, 14 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

The second sentence of the above is exactly the point of the language task forces. It's merely an extension of the reasoning behind splitting out discussion of language books from the general reading room. One could state that there isn't enough activity to justify them at this point, and that would be reasonable. However, an ulterior motive to them was to allow me to fully test my modifications to the imported {{WPBannerMeta}} for Wikibooks' use and the implementation of that template in {{WikiProject Languages}} and ensure both would work all the way down to the task force level. – Adrignola ^{talk contribs} 14:54, 14 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

The general reading room is certainly not the best place for language-related discussions; I was rather thinking of the discussion page of the WikiProject Languages. So, now that you saw that the templates work, can we remove (or comment out) these links to the non-existing task forces? Two more reasons against them are: 1) they add complexity to the network of language-related web pages at wikibooks without adding any content and 2) they might convey the incorrect impression that there are many active contributors to language textbooks. --Martin Kraus (talk) 13:50, 15 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

If they are not used, the categories and subcategories of Category:French language pages by quality, Category:French language pages by priority, Category:German language pages by quality, Category:German language pages by priority, Category:Spanish language pages by quality, Category:Spanish language pages by priority will no longer be used. The task forces in Template:WikiProject Languages would then be ignored. Those options were made available to members of the WikiProject, but if you do not care for them, you can choose not to use the parameter in the template that specifies a task force (or not use the template, period) and comment out the task force pages. But I at least wanted you to know of the possibilities. – Adrignola ^{talk contribs} 13:59, 15 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

Uh, I see what you were talking about now. What about renaming the category "X language task force" to "X language pages" (I think that name would make more sense as it is a supercategory of various specific "X language pages"). The category page of "X language pages" could then link to the languages wikiproject page for now (at least as long as the corresponding task force doesn't exist. Would that be OK with you? --Martin Kraus (talk) 11:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

A good idea. Now done. Should we ever get enough activity to need them, they will be there (thinking optimistically). – Adrignola ^{talk contribs} 12:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

Hi,

I'm Binguwa From Sinhala wikibooks. Also I'm working on Sinhala wiki as well. We have several Sinhala books in sinhala wikibooks. But From the main everything get mixed up. :(

Someone has create an HTML table in the main page & Others had updated with books title. Then I was trying to do something to clear the content. First I have added Welcome Note to the main page. That was OK. Then I have added All subjects Link. That is also work fine. From here onwards my problems Start.

Here is the Demo chart for our book list.

• සිංහල සාහිත්‍යය should be a major subject(Root Subject)
• Next levels should be like this.
• සිංහල සාහිත්‍යය = Humanities

සන්දේශ කාව්‍ය = Literature

සැවුල් සන්දේශය = Eskaya Literature

ගිරා සන්දේශය = Guide to English Literature

වෙනත් කාව්‍ය = Philosophy

• Languages is a major Subject again.

OK. If you have seen our pages, they are not working properly. They are not populating properly. I'm sorry to say that I'm the one who has tried for hours to setup this thing. It is OK with Root pages. means that if we add {{Subjects|XXX}} XXX is a major Subject, it works fine. But if we add any other sub categories it wont work.

There is something has gone wrong. So please Help to solve this Issue.

Also we are not having any admin for sinhala wikibooks. So I don't have any one to ask for a help about wiki books other than you guys(I can't understand any other lng than eng + sinhala ).

Please Help us. waiting for your quick & worthy help. pls reply me on here බිඟුවා (talk) 19:41, 14 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

First of all, I would like to thank you for the quick response.

Yes. You are Correct. "Subject(විෂයය)" namespace seems missing. Could you please create that for us (or pls tell me how to create that if that is possible to us, which I don't think so). As you have mentioned english wikibooks have complex category. But in sinhala wiki we have just more than 100 books for the moment. is it OK to have our own root categories not 100% matching en wiki books category?

I can help with sinhala translations as much as possible. it is great if you can help on this issue. we are really interesting to make the look & feel of Sinhala wiki books just like english one. Some more guys are waiting to start on contribution but they are in a mess. :(

pls reply me on here බිඟුවා (talk) 03:24, 15 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

OK. Thanks again. I have an account in bugzilla & i'll start a discussion on sinhala wikibooks. Then I'll make a request as you have explained. Then i'll come back to you. (I'm happy with your Quick Response.) බිඟුවා (talk) 04:42, 15 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

The Problem was missing the namespace. One of the developer has created that. Now working properly. I'm so happy about that. Now I'm working on groping all books. And I think I have to create user guide(in Sinhala) as well. So it seems OK for the moment. I can carryout the remaining (until next issue occur). I should thanx again.(since you showed the Correct path to fixed the problem.)

බිඟුවා (talk) 17:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

Your recent changes there show a much better understanding of the media wiki software then I currently have. But now it seems it should be possible to create a user preference that set span.flaggedrevs-unreviewed { display: none; } depending on the what individual users wanted? Maybe this would make the new set up less effective as a way of getting people involved, but it would kind of address apfeλmus's concerns. Do you think such a thing is possible? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thenub314 (discuss • contribs)

It would be possible to do that, as gadgets can apply either CSS or JavaScript. But considering that change is to bring things back in line with the way they were, it makes more sense to set it globally than require everyone to go into their preferences and turn on a gadget. It'd be the kind of thing we'd do with the per-book JavaScript gadget if we have consensus to do that in the reading room. – Adrignola ^{talk contribs} 23:56, 15 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

Hi there! I recently took a grammar refresher course at the University of Washington, and the whole "who" and "whom" usage was discussed. The instructor said that American grammar is phasing out "whom", although there will probably always be some style-guide organizations that continue using it; also, it will probably remain standard in business salutations (To Whom It May Concern). I discussed this with Chazz, and he also favors abandoning "whom", and we are no longer using it in the "Muggles' Guide." I hope that clarifies our position. Thank you for your input. PNW Raven (talk) 16:08, 15 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

To sort of round out Raven's comments: I personally feel that "whom" is harmless, but can cause a bit of a stumble when reading simply because its usage is fading. I won't go to any particular length to remove it from the text, myself, but I do note that the author of the book we are writing about, if she used it at all, used it only when Dumbledore was speaking, in the course of the entire 7 volume opus, three additional short volumes, and one short story that I have personally read. Chazz (talk) 00:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

Given that the "Muggles Guide" is based around a set of books written in British English, maybe you should take a refresher course in British English grammar ;-) Just kidding! QU ^TalkQu 09:13, 16 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

There's a note about that on one discussion page where we briefly considered just that... but none of us are sufficiently British to properly Anglicize the book. Are you volunteering? It's over a thousand pages of Ameribrit now... Chazz (talk) 15:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

Much as I would love to volunteer, as a committed non-fan of the books I'd struggle to maintain the motivation! QU ^TalkQu 20:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, I should have just deleted the page myself. Somehow being the current main contributor on the book and the person who wished the page deleted, it somehow reminded me a bit of suggestion 1 at WB:DP. But that is really meant more for RfD's. I suppose I wanted to add a little separation between my roles as an author and an admin. Thenub314 (talk) 13:15, 21 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

How can we prevent the transclusion to show in the book category ? --Panic (talk) 21:36, 22 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

I'm sorry, but I don't quite understand your question. Can you elaborate a bit more? – Adrignola ^{talk contribs} 21:39, 22 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

This page on the user namespace is being added to the book's category. Can it be prevented without removing the trasnclusion ? --Panic (talk) 21:41, 22 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

Yes, with <noinclude>. I've added them to the transcluded page. – Adrignola ^{talk contribs} 21:46, 22 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. --Panic (talk) 21:48, 22 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

Hi Adrignola. I have a major problem. I have placed a request for renaming here, from an old account to one I wish to use. The problem is, the old account User:Tmalmjursson was renamed to User:Iceflow (my first SUL username) but my contribs were not carried over. I now want to be renamed to User:BarkingFish, which is my SUL across all projects since last year, but I'm confused as to what needs doing. I want my contribs and my username adding, and to become BarkingFish, but without remembering, I've added 1 edit from BarkingFish by mistake. What can be done, if anything, to help me please? Thanks Iceflow (talk) 21:55, 22 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

I will have to usurp the BarkingFish account and rename Tmalmjursson to BarkingFish. The edit on BarkingFish will be attributed to BarkingFish (usurped). I know of no way to merge accounts. I also need a diff on the BarkingFish Wikipedia user/talk page confirming that Tmalmjursson is owned by the same person. – Adrignola ^{talk contribs} 22:15, 22 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

This edit seems to have broken the tool in my Firefox browser at least. There's no longer any drop-down menu. —Internoob (Disc·Cont·Wikt) 03:47, 23 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

Never mind, it started working again. Weird. —Internoob (Disc·Cont·Wikt) 03:51, 23 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

The JavaScript was updated too, so the JavaScript took time to update, as it was cached, while the above page was updated immediately. – Adrignola ^{talk contribs} 11:53, 23 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

Hi, I am noticed you subst'ed a bunch of vandalism warning templates I had added, I will make sure to do it in the furture. Is there a deeper reason to subst beyond, "if we change the template tomorrow we will change the message"? Thenub314 (talk) 10:03, 24 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

The best reason beyond the server load (which we really aren't supposed to worry about; it's not our jobs) is that the page should display what the user saw at the time. For templates on other pages or for certain templates (such as shared IP notices) you do want a consistent look and would not substitute the template. Wikipedia:Substitution goes into more detail. – Adrignola ^{talk contribs} 11:50, 24 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

How is this part of Wikiproject Languages? --Yair rand (talk) 23:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

By virtue of being in Category:Book:Esperanto/Templates. It is a template used by a language book. – Adrignola talk 23:51, 28 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

Recently when I checked my watchlist apparently one of your edits were marked as a bot edit. I thought that was just a little mistake, but it happened again today. Are you a bot? :P Kayau ( talk | email | contribs ) 07:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

That would certainly explain my relentless drive and seemingly tireless ability to make menial edits to many pages in order to effect a change or make improvements, but no, I'm not actually a computer program. Administrators can grant themselves the pseudo-bot flag to hide edits from recent changes should they be performing many noncontroversial actions at one time. That said, I've recently discovered AutoWikiBrowser, which did recently allow me to make computer-aided edits that otherwise would've driven me insane and taken days to perform. – Adrignola talk 11:49, 29 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

Maybe I should look at this program. Thenub314 (talk) 12:40, 29 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

I tried to use it at Wikipedia, but it was so hard for me to use (and it keeps asing me f I want to update, then fail to update) that I gave up. Does it require AWB rights to use the programme in WB? Kayau ( talk | email | contribs ) 14:20, 29 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

No it doesn't, though it might be interesting to know how to make it so. It's definitely not for the faint of heart. If you need to update, just save your settings to a file and download the new executable; it doesn't actually install the program—it runs standalone. – Adrignola talk 14:23, 29 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

I blocked your latest fan... in a quiet moment you might want to check the IP to see if that needs blocking, etc. (Adrignola is an evil f u c k (discuss · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block log · block)) QU ^TalkQu 21:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

Interesting. I should note that the source IP address has also been blocked globally due to cross-wiki abuse. I extended the block here, just due to the personal attack nature of the issue. – Adrignola talk 21:20, 30 June 2010 (UTC)Reply