Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Diagrams of route signs of the United Kingdom

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Files in Category:Diagrams of route signs of the United Kingdom

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During enquires into the status of Rail Alphabet and BR double arrows logo, an e-mail back from the National Archives, raised concern that the Transport typeface and certain related materials might not be Crown Copyright (with respect to additional design rights), despite them appearing on a large number of road signs in the UK, and being practically ubiquitous.

This nomination is thus on the precautionary principle unless someone higher up then me is willing to to get an official OTRS from the Department of Transport and National Archives.

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:39, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Keep all - Even if these files are copyrightable (which I doubt), Crown Copyright expires after 50 years. The Transport font was created in late 50s/early 60s so its copyright has expired. ShakespeareFan00, there isn't a hierarchy and there is no one "higher up than you". You are perfectly capable of initiating an OTRS conversation yourself.--Nilfanion (talk) 12:12, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep Even if they are new they are not copyrightable as it's just a typeface, thus {{PD-Text}}. // Liftarn (talk) 12:27, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
On hold - clarification has been sought from relevant parties.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:36, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

:Qualified withdrawl per the comments in the second half of Commons:Village_pump/Copyright#UK_transport-related_graphics ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:41, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Unless explicit OTRS provided confirming relevant design elements explicitly and entirely crown copyright etc., Furthermore a response to emails in OTRS tickets, 2017052210014402, 2017052210016428 seemed to indicate an incompatability between OGL and Creative Commons licensing, and a need to check the status, despite the relevant document source indicating OGL status. I suggest you direct further concerns in the directions of the following contacts. (psi@nationalarchives.gsi.gov.uk, TRAFFIC.SIGNS@dft.gsi.gov.uk), because I have so far had no response from the latter on the issue raised. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:14, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: The copyright issue does not exist, for two very important reasons. The Copyright, Designs and Patents Act (1988) is quite clear that regardless of the copyright within a typeface, no copyright infringement occurs when the typeface is used to create imagery, such as the files listed in the deletion review, so the underlying OGL licence is valid and no other copyright exists in these images. Additionally, typeface protection in the UK, also under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act (1988) is for a maximum of 25 years, Transport font pre-dates this, but out of an abundance of caution, assuming a new copyright may have been created when the new act came into force, 25 years from 1988 takes us to 2013 (or 1 January 2014 as a likely date) when the Transport font (once again) passed into the public domain. I'm closing this DR for those two reasons. Design Rights, if they were to exist, would not apply to road signs due to their commonplace nature at the commencement of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act (1988) which specifically excludes commonplace designs. --Nick (talk) 17:57, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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