Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/06/Category:Streets in Dresden by name

Occasionally, I come across categories for streets and notice the ones for Dresden usually don't match the pattern "name (Dresden)", but "name, Dresden" and then move on. Afterall, it's a fairly large category with plenty of editors.

Looking into this more closely today, I noticed that a substantial part (454 of 2956: PetScan:28599808) don't match the second pattern. Accordingly, I would suggest to have bot change them to the first pattern (or the second pattern). Enhancing999 (talk) 21:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What would be difference between "Category: Streets in X" and "Category:Streets in X by name"? 186.174.131.110 23:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Not sure how this is relevant here. Maybe ask at COM:VP. Enhancing999 (talk) 23:40, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
•  Comment For some cities with many streets, there are categories for streets by district/neighborhood/section. I notice that Dresden also has "Streets in Dresden by district" and "Former streets in Dresden". In such cases, "by name" categories that produce flat lists are useful. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 02:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Hello @Enhancing999, is there a rule how to name the street categories? In Dresden we often use "Street, Dresden". - I know, we are different then other cities with this name, but we are not alone. For example in Category:Hauptstraße you see 17 other cities with the pattern "name, city". - The same with naming pattern for buildings. Sometime with comma, sometime with "(city)", sometime without any thing. That's how it has grown historically. - We have in Dresden 3193 streets, some time one name for 4 different streets (See: Category:Hauptstraße, Dresden). Over 87% of all streets in Dresden has images, so we need for every street a category. Here a map of all streets (red=no image). And we have sort this categories by districts, so that the user can find his street in his neighborhood better. If you have more question, pleas ask. Best greetings from Dresden. --sk (talk) 13:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Not sure, I doubt there is a rule. I noticed at least four patterns:

  • 1. streetname (placename)
  • 2. streetname, placename
  • 3. streetname
  • 4. streetname in placename

  Some pattern include translated name parts. I think it would be good to avoid #3 and #4. Between the other two, I usually pick what is in use in a city. Germany seems to be mostly standardized to #1. Placenames that usually include parentheses to begin with are probably "nicer" with #2. Enhancing999 (talk) 13:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  At the next meeting of de:Wikipedia:Dresden on 28. June I will ask my colleges how we want set the standard in Dresden. --sk (talk) 13:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Stefan Kühn: what did you decide? Or what did the coin-flip give? Enhancing999 (talk) 19:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Sounds good. If you prefer, I can remove the notice from Template:Dresden street in the meantime. Enhancing999 (talk) 17:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Hello @Enhancing999 and @Infrogmation, we had our local meeting last week. And we came to the conclusion that we want #2 with comma. It is easy to read and easy to write. So the majority has decided in favour of this variant (pattern: "name, Dresden"). Best regards from Dresden! --sk (talk) 05:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I want to suggest that we close this discussion and remove the notice from Template:Dresden street. Out of those 453 Dresden street categories (PetScan:28599808), which do not match the above mentioned second pattern, most are unique street names (nation- / worldwide), which do not require Dresden for clarification purposes at all, neither first nor second pattern. As of now there are only 110 categories, which match pattern #1 and might be useful to be changed into pattern #2 for general systematic reasons. And many of those 110 categories have just recently been moved by a non-Dresden-based colleague to pattern #1 without prior discussion, example see here. Unfortunately this work was begun, but not continued – and led to the situation which we are talkig about now. Personally I would be fine with both patterns #1 and #2, but also with the situation as it is now. The situation now with those 110 categories (out of nearly 3000; less than 4 %) is not perfect, but still everything is clear and not ambigous. Regards, --Kleeblatt187 (talk) 21:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On the contrary, in Commons:List of administrators by recent activity I am listed with only a few recent actions. These 3000 category deletions could bring some better ratings. ;) -- regards, 32X (talk) 19:40, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As there has been no opposition within the last six weeks I have finally removed the Cfd-notice from Template:Dresden street, so the notice will not be displayed any more at more than 2900 categories, which are not to be discussed any more according to the result of this discussion. Regards, --Kleeblatt187 (talk) 22:50, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]