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CU Medallion [20735]
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Clemson is no longer elite yet paying coaches an elite salary.
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Nov 4, 2024, 10:43 PM
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It’s hard to imagine anyone arguing otherwise who has been watching this slow decline.
It’s finally nice to see the pumpers who were in denial pumping the brakes a bit.
My guess is that those frogs in the slowly boiling water are beginning to feel the heat.
The question now is what happens next. Dabo has a 60M buyout and we are fighting the ACC at the same time. All when we need to save dollars to get the best talent.
This is definitely a cross roads.
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Re: Clemson is no longer elite yet paying coaches an elite salary.
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Nov 4, 2024, 10:44 PM
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3 or 4 coaches need to be fired if we lose to VT Pitt and SC
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Orange Beast [6496]
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Re: Pitt And Chickenlina Are Going To Be Problems ..... ---
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Nov 4, 2024, 11:26 PM
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......... especially Pitt.. with us up in that place.
Coaches and recruiters need to get really serious about this program. They are a little too laxed and complacent about what needs to be done to maintain our standards.
If they don't want to pay players..or use the portal.....fine. Then I suggest they better be bringing in the best 4 and 5 star talents as well as coaches to this university and have them truly believe that Clemson is the place that they're going to spend 4 years at....to become the men that they're going to be as well as the best athletes that they're going to be.
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Orange Beast [6360]
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he's a pumper
Nov 5, 2024, 5:56 AM
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needs more reason
you know the UofL game might have actually just been on Dabo
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Orange Beast [6360]
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Tiger Titan [46305]
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We havent gotten a very good return on our coaching investment
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Nov 4, 2024, 11:49 PM
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four years running, based on results on the field.
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CU Medallion [20735]
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True.
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Nov 5, 2024, 12:16 AM
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In this case it’s you don’t get what you pay for. And I think it’s safe to say that Dabo is spreading the wealth to his friends at the expense of the program.
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Game Changer [1693]
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Re: True.
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Nov 5, 2024, 7:40 AM
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Maybe he should be spreading the wealth with our NIL fund.
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All-In [11061]
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It is nice to see the pumpers finally pumping the brakes, but until Dabo..
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Nov 5, 2024, 5:34 AM
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Gets out of his denial phase himself and changes his philosophy then we’ll continue circling the toilet.
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Orange Beast [6465]
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at least we aren't paying millions for an ex-coach
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Nov 5, 2024, 7:20 AM
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not to coach at all.
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Rival Killer [2805]
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Re: at least we aren't paying millions for an ex-coach
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Nov 5, 2024, 7:36 AM
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Best line in Moneyball is when Brad Pitt has a come to Jesus moment with the guy playing David Justice.... Starts at 0:52.
Nah, I ain't paying you 7 million a year. The Yankees are paying half of your salary. That's what the NY Yankees think of you. They are paying you 3.5 million dollars a year to play against them.
https://youtu.be/7mzY1sdiFSU
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Game Changer [1693]
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Re: at least we aren't paying millions for an ex-coach
Nov 5, 2024, 7:49 AM
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What a great movie!
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TigerNet Legend [145058]
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Let me guess...
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Nov 5, 2024, 8:18 AM
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You are firing Bear Bryant in the late 60s.
Championships
6 national (1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, 1979)
14 SEC (1950, 1961, 1964–1966, 1971–1975, 1977–1979, 1981)
1 SWC (1956)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_Bryant
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Rival Killer [2779]
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Re: Let me guess...***
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Nov 5, 2024, 8:22 AM
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [99217]
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^^^excellent post -- possibly your best ever.***
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TigerNet Legend [145058]
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Definitely the most logical***
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Nov 5, 2024, 9:00 AM
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Heisman Winner [84159]
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and succinct.
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Nov 5, 2024, 4:03 PM
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would read again
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Rival Killer [2779]
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Bryant didn't have a paradigm shift
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Nov 5, 2024, 8:24 AM
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Like Dabo is facing.
Bear would have been the first guy in line to openly pay players and get elite transfers so they couldn't play for other schools if he was around now.
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Rival Killer [2779]
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So you're saying that NIL and the portal
Nov 5, 2024, 3:00 PM
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aren't a paradigm shift in CFB?
Because those things have definitely caused a paradigm shift in roster management, recruiting, transfers, and retention.
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Dynasty Maker [3460]
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Re: So you're saying that NIL and the portal
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [99217]
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Dynasty Maker [3460]
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Re: I'm saying you are ignorant...
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CU Medallion [20661]
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Associate AD [1095]
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Re: Let me guess...
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Nov 5, 2024, 8:34 AM
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Sorry but Dabo ain't Bear Bryant and never will be.
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TigerNet Legend [145058]
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Compare them an tell me why?
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Nov 5, 2024, 9:03 AM
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Dabo:
14.5 Seasons
Overall 176–44
Bowls 12–8
Tournaments 6–4 (CFP)
Championships
2 National (2016, 2018)
8 ACC (2011, 2015–2020, 2022)
10 ACC Atlantic Division (2009, 2011, 2012, 2015–2020, 2022)
Awards
3× Paul "Bear" Bryant Award (2015, 2016, 2018)
AFCA Coach of the Year (2015)
AP College Football Coach of the Year (2015)
Sporting News Coach of the Year (2015)
Walter Camp Coach of the Year (2015)
Home Depot Coach of the Year (2015)
George Munger Award (2015)
Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year (2011)
2× ACC Coach of the Year (2015, 2018)
Bear:
38 Seasons
Overall 323–85–17
Bowls 15–12–2
Championships
6 national (1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, 1979)
14 SEC (1950, 1961, 1964–1966, 1971–1975, 1977–1979, 1981)
1 SWC (1956)
Awards
3× AFCA Coach of the Year (1961, 1971, 1973)
12× SEC Coach of the Year (1950, 1959, 1961, 1964, 1965, 1971, 1973, 1974, 1977–1979, 1981)
Third-team All-American (1935)
Second-team All-SEC (1934)
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Starter [288]
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Re: Compare them an tell me why?
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Nov 5, 2024, 2:56 PM
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When Bear Bryant coached, there wasn't NIL/Transfer portal. The rules were all different. Now, you will never win 6 Natty's in today's football if you don't adjust. Dabo has allowed the game to slip away by follwing yesterday's agandas.
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TigerNet Legend [145058]
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You are guessing.
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Nov 5, 2024, 3:39 PM
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You are free to do that, but I'm dealing in facts.
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Paw Master [16772]
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And you aren't?***
Nov 5, 2024, 3:41 PM
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TigerNet Legend [145058]
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No...
Nov 5, 2024, 3:42 PM
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100% of what I posted was fact. Here it is again...
Dabo:
14.5 Seasons
Overall 176–44
Bowls 12–8
Tournaments 6–4 (CFP)
Championships
2 National (2016, 2018)
8 ACC (2011, 2015–2020, 2022)
10 ACC Atlantic Division (2009, 2011, 2012, 2015–2020, 2022)
Awards
3× Paul "Bear" Bryant Award (2015, 2016, 2018)
AFCA Coach of the Year (2015)
AP College Football Coach of the Year (2015)
Sporting News Coach of the Year (2015)
Walter Camp Coach of the Year (2015)
Home Depot Coach of the Year (2015)
George Munger Award (2015)
Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year (2011)
2× ACC Coach of the Year (2015, 2018)
Bear:
38 Seasons
Overall 323–85–17
Bowls 15–12–2
Championships
6 national (1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, 1979)
14 SEC (1950, 1961, 1964–1966, 1971–1975, 1977–1979, 1981)
1 SWC (1956)
Awards
3× AFCA Coach of the Year (1961, 1971, 1973)
12× SEC Coach of the Year (1950, 1959, 1961, 1964, 1965, 1971, 1973, 1974, 1977–1979, 1981)
Third-team All-American (1935)
Second-team All-SEC (1934)
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Paw Master [16772]
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So you think somebody is going to win 6 titles in this era without adjusting?***
Nov 5, 2024, 3:45 PM
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TigerNet Legend [145058]
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I think you are ignorant...
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Nov 5, 2024, 3:54 PM
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if that's what you gleaned from my post.
But, then again, you are the only poster on tnet who could lose a bet that you chose the terms for... for both sides. I didn't even think that was possible.
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Paw Master [16772]
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So that's a no then?***
Nov 5, 2024, 4:05 PM
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TigerNet Legend [145058]
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If that's what you gleaned...
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Nov 5, 2024, 4:05 PM
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then you are ignorant.
Of course, you think this is "guessing"...
Dabo:
14.5 Seasons
Overall 176–44
Bowls 12–8
Tournaments 6–4 (CFP)
Championships
2 National (2016, 2018)
8 ACC (2011, 2015–2020, 2022)
10 ACC Atlantic Division (2009, 2011, 2012, 2015–2020, 2022)
Awards
3× Paul "Bear" Bryant Award (2015, 2016, 2018)
AFCA Coach of the Year (2015)
AP College Football Coach of the Year (2015)
Sporting News Coach of the Year (2015)
Walter Camp Coach of the Year (2015)
Home Depot Coach of the Year (2015)
George Munger Award (2015)
Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year (2011)
2× ACC Coach of the Year (2015, 2018)
Bear:
38 Seasons
Overall 323–85–17
Bowls 15–12–2
Championships
6 national (1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, 1979)
14 SEC (1950, 1961, 1964–1966, 1971–1975, 1977–1979, 1981)
1 SWC (1956)
Awards
3× AFCA Coach of the Year (1961, 1971, 1973)
12× SEC Coach of the Year (1950, 1959, 1961, 1964, 1965, 1971, 1973, 1974, 1977–1979, 1981)
Third-team All-American (1935)
Second-team All-SEC (1934)
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Paw Master [16772]
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So you're afraid to answer the question? Just more namecalling? I
Nov 5, 2024, 4:12 PM
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would expect more from a pretend mod
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TigerNet Legend [145058]
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It's not name calling...
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Nov 5, 2024, 4:16 PM
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unless you think being ignorant is an insult. I was ignorant of the fact someone could lose a bet they picked the terms for. I'm not insulted that I was ignorant in the least, I'm amazed.
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Paw Master [16772]
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still too afraid?***
Nov 5, 2024, 4:19 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3460]
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Re: still too afraid?***
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Nov 5, 2024, 4:24 PM
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Ohhhh is the start of round 2?
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Paw Master [16772]
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He needs a W here, but he can't answer a simple Y/N question
Nov 5, 2024, 4:26 PM
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because he can't maneuver around a yes or a no
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TigerNet Legend [145058]
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The only thing I'm afraid of...
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is you not paying on the bet you lost.
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Paw Master [16772]
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I didn't lose a bet, you did Mr Pretend***
Nov 5, 2024, 4:31 PM
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Paw Master [16772]
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Yes, you failed to do so, so pay up...Actual moderators were exempt***
Nov 5, 2024, 4:49 PM
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Starter [263]
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Re: No...
Nov 5, 2024, 3:47 PM
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Apples and Oranges. Big Boys and Little Boys. SEC stats and ACC stats do not equal.
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TigerNet Legend [145058]
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Is that facts/stats...
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Nov 5, 2024, 3:55 PM
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or is that your opinion?
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CU Medallion [20735]
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Thats a good point.
Nov 5, 2024, 9:29 AM
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I think this is the issue. What do you do?
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TigerNet Legend [145058]
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If I'm the AD?
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Nov 5, 2024, 9:47 AM
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I'm doing nothing. I'm playing the long game. I'm definitely not concerned about our head coach, and I am grateful for the job he has done over the past 14.5 years, not only for football, but for all of our athletic programs which need football for funding. I understand that there are tweaks that can be made, but I have also hired someone who I trust to make those adjustments. If I don't trust him, then I did my job poorly by hiring him (or giving raises, or retaining him, depending on when I took over as AD during his tenure). I'm realizing that there is no coach/program/sport that is without ups and downs, and I act accordingly, hoping that I can lead the entire athletic department with the same vision, grace, and faith that Dabo has with our football program.
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Paw Master [16772]
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Good Lord***
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Dynasty Maker [3460]
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Re: Good Lord***
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Dont give him anymore ideas on what he thinks we should refer to him as...
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I would say on his way to the top he was undervalued/underpaid
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Nov 5, 2024, 9:01 AM
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He achieved the Mountaintop at Clemson and led the team to 2 National Titles. His pay is directly linked to the success he had and while it is perceived to include future success, it does not correlate to future success. Is he currently "earning" that 11Mil ?? Based on success on the field measured by wins/losses, I would say that no he is not. But my guess is he is working as hard or harder to get the team back to the top...BUT...see below
The landscape has changed, goal-post have been moved, and CDS is sticking to his ways. Will he ever get Clemson back to the top without changing, well it certainly appears that the changes happening may force his hand and bring a change to his style/process. We lack depth which was once a strong-suit. We lack overall team speed, which was once a strong-suit.
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Re: Clemson is no longer elite yet paying coaches an elite salary.
Nov 5, 2024, 9:14 AM
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Chicken Little.
May we live in interesting times.
Not every moment is remarkable.
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Game Changer [2083]
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Re: Clemson is no longer elite yet paying coaches an elite salary.
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Nov 5, 2024, 9:23 AM
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Those recruiting “whiffs” over the past 3-4 years are really starting to show, especially at DE.
We really need an elite edge rusher, LB and QB for the ‘26 class. I wish we would pull out the checkbook and try to flip some for the ‘25 class.
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Game Changer [2083]
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Re: Clemson is no longer elite yet paying coaches an elite salary.
Nov 5, 2024, 9:26 AM
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Those recruiting “whiffs” over the past 3-4 years are really starting to show, especially at DE.
We really need an elite edge rusher, LB and QB for the ‘26 class. I wish we would pull out the checkbook and try to flip some for the ‘25 class.
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IF you think Dabo is getting too much.. then stop donating to IPTAY
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Nov 5, 2024, 9:50 AM
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money talks
TNET walks
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Re: Clemson is no longer elite yet paying coaches an elite salary.
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Venables earned every penny ( yes I remember the ‘20 Sugar Bowl against OSU ) and his fire & recruiting are terribly MISSED !
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Re: Clemson is no longer elite yet paying coaches an elite salary.
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I couldn't agree more. There are some who want to believe we can't do better than Dabo. I would tend to agree with that statement. However, we could get a better return on the investment that Clemson has put in Dabo. If he isn't willing to adapt with times or fire coaches who don't need to be here, then it might be time to ride off into the sunset. I know he won't be fired and I'm not asking him to be fired either before I get thumbed down. I'm asking for him to adapt and stop hiring his friends and family because it isn't working. If you have one of the highest paid coaching staffs in the country, then you should expect to make the playoffs frequently. If we don't make the playoffs this season, which I don't think we should and I don't think we will, IT WILL HAVE BEEN 5 YEARS SINCE WE LAST MADE THE PLAYOFFS. Let that last sentence sink in, if nothing else of my post does.
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Paw Warrior [4712]
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Who is elite anymore?
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Nov 5, 2024, 4:06 PM
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This year's elite will be next year's middle of the pack or worse. See Michigan, FSU, etc.
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