Property talk:P1877
Latest comment: 6 years ago by Infovarius in topic Qualifier
Documentation
after a work by
artist whose work strongly inspired / was copied in this item
artist whose work strongly inspired / was copied in this item
| Represents | creative work (Q17537576) | ||||||||||||
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| Data type | Item | ||||||||||||
| Domain | According to this template:
Qualifier of creator (P170)
According to statements in the property:
When possible, data should only be stored as statementswork (Q386724) | ||||||||||||
| Allowed values | human (Q5) (note: this should be moved to the property statements) | ||||||||||||
| Example | According to this template:
The bellows repairer (Q1989774) => Cornelis Massijs (Q2199365) after a work by Hieronymus Bosch (Q130531)
According to statements in the property:
When possible, data should only be stored as statementsThe bellows repairer (Q1989774) → Hieronymus Bosch (Q130531) V for Vendetta (Q5890) → Alan Moore (Q205739) Barbie in the Nutcracker (Q25733) → E. T. A. Hoffmann (Q150471) | ||||||||||||
| Source | external reference (note: this information should be moved to a property statement; use property source website for the property (P1896)) | ||||||||||||
| Tracking: usage | Category:Pages using Wikidata property P1877 (Q126375154) | ||||||||||||
| See also | inspired by (P941), based on (P144), influenced by (P737) | ||||||||||||
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| Proposal discussion | Proposal discussion | ||||||||||||
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Type “work (Q386724)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “work (Q386724)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1877#Type Q386724, SPARQL
Value type “human (Q5), pen name (Q127843), organization (Q43229), collective pseudonym (Q16017119)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value human (Q5), pen name (Q127843), organization (Q43229), collective pseudonym (Q16017119) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1877#Value type Q5, Q127843, Q43229, Q16017119, SPARQL
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Difference
editWhat's the difference between this property, based on (P144) and inspired by (P941)? Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 10:12, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
- Too much overlap.. Michiel1972 (talk) 22:50, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
- See Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work#after a work by. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:52, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
- See Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts/Item structure#Use of creator (P170) in uncertain cases. Multichill (talk) 12:23, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- This property should only be used when the subject item is essentially a copy of someone else's work. Typically used for paintings to acknowledge that it is a copy. Danrok (talk) 02:33, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
- See Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts/Item structure#Use of creator (P170) in uncertain cases. Multichill (talk) 12:23, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
Qualifier
editThis property was supposed to be used only as qualifier. However, almost nobody does use it like that. Should we remove the qualifier constraint? @Spinster, Multichill, Coyau: --Pasleim (talk) 08:23, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
- These errors were introduced in the last month.... Not a big fan of hijacking properties like this. Multichill (talk) 14:07, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
- Qualifier? In which properties? It is counter-intuitive... --Infovarius (talk) 08:24, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Infovarius: Yes, on any property that holds some sort of creator indicating that that creator used another as inspiration. Check the proposal. Using it as a proper property makes no sense: if the work is based on another work, the work should be listed, and the creators of that work on the item of that work. The property may need a better name, but the way it is used on 5k+ items, is just badly structured data. – Máté (talk) 07:33, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
- First I met this property (and I considered it useful) as a link to an author of literary work on which film is based (instead of screenwriter (P58) sometimes used), while for the work itself I'd use based on (P144) (additionally). --Infovarius (talk) 10:08, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
- Why store it twice? It's already on the literary work's item, and it's easily extracted. Storing data twice should be avoided when possible. – Máté (talk) 15:06, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
- The aim is to store in a right property. Because I met such authors in screenwriter (P58) frequently which is not absolutely correct. --Infovarius (talk) 09:57, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
- On films, it seems a bit strange. Can it be removed?
--- Jura 21:49, 20 November 2016 (UTC)- Did you read previous sentence? --Infovarius (talk) 18:42, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
- I don't think so. Probably I shouldn't have indented it that way. based on (P144) is sufficient.
--- Jura 07:14, 1 December 2016 (UTC)- At least not always - what if there are not items to which based on (P144) can point? --Infovarius (talk) 08:35, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think so. Probably I shouldn't have indented it that way. based on (P144) is sufficient.
- Did you read previous sentence? --Infovarius (talk) 18:42, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
- On films, it seems a bit strange. Can it be removed?
- The aim is to store in a right property. Because I met such authors in screenwriter (P58) frequently which is not absolutely correct. --Infovarius (talk) 09:57, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
- Why store it twice? It's already on the literary work's item, and it's easily extracted. Storing data twice should be avoided when possible. – Máté (talk) 15:06, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
- First I met this property (and I considered it useful) as a link to an author of literary work on which film is based (instead of screenwriter (P58) sometimes used), while for the work itself I'd use based on (P144) (additionally). --Infovarius (talk) 10:08, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Infovarius: Yes, on any property that holds some sort of creator indicating that that creator used another as inspiration. Check the proposal. Using it as a proper property makes no sense: if the work is based on another work, the work should be listed, and the creators of that work on the item of that work. The property may need a better name, but the way it is used on 5k+ items, is just badly structured data. – Máté (talk) 07:33, 10 November 2016 (UTC)