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edit- Energy-assisted magnetic recording (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Novice user created this page which is an extended WP:DICTIONARY definition. There already exists a page on Heat assisted magnetic recording, and Microwave assisted magnetic recording is mentioned in quite a few existing pages. I added a PROD, but novice editor objected (on Talk page) so I am coverting it to an AfD. A decent article on Microwave assisted magnetic recording is a something that might be done, but this page is just an WP:DICTIONARY stub that combines heat and microwave without providing useful encyclopedic information. TNT as this is not a good starting point. Ldm1954 (talk) 19:33, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Ldm1954 proposed this article to be deleted and said "Both heat and microwave assisted magnetic recording pages already exist. There is no reason to duplicate." It is true that the article HAMR (heat assissted) exists but the article MAMR (microwave assisted) does not exist. HAMR and MAMR are forms of EAMR just like Windows 11 and Windows 10 are forms of Microsoft Windows and they still deserve their own articles. Ldm1954 wants to delete my contributions, as I mentioned at Talk:Workspace as a Service. This article is not a dictionary definition, I did my best to create an enciclopedic stub. Arwenz (talk) 19:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Please do not make inappropriate statements such as "Ldm1954 wants to delete my contributions". As part of WP:NPP I and others review new pages and check if they are appropriate. This one, as well as a couple of other stubs you have created fail standard review criteria. Please be more careful, and look at what is in other articles, read up on the notability guide in WP:Notability and also look at details such as the style guide WP:MOS and what Wikipedia is not WP:!. I think you have rushed in a bit, which is why you got blocked in July and have also had several articles removed or moved to draft space as well as edits reverted since July 2024. Ldm1954 (talk) 20:02, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment EAMR and Energy-assisted magnetic recording both seem like plausible search terms and so do Microwave assisted magnetic recording and MAMR. Ideally each of those would be a redirect, disambiguation, or other article. I have no opinion on whether WP:TNT applies, but if it does, redirecting somewhere to an appropriate section of HAMR seems like the thing to do in the mean time. McYeee (talk) 19:01, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Workspace as a Service (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Extended dictionary definition created directly to main by a novice editor. The topic is already included in As a service, so there is no rationale for a new stub. Original editor objected to a PROD (with some non-WP comments) on the talk page, so I am converting it to an AfD. Delete unless someone turns this into a real encyclopedic article, which I am dubious about. Ldm1954 (talk) 19:48, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - As noted, nothing more than a glorified dictionary definition at the moment and I fail to see a significant amount of unique content that could go there at the moment. If this becomes an actually significant concept that demands its own artilce in the future, we can build an article then. No use keeping a stub as a WP:CRYSTALBALL. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 23:47, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Ldm1954 proposed this article to be deleted and said "There is already an entry in As a service. At most this should be replaced by a redirect and the sources added to that page". But according to that line of thinking, the article Windows 11 should also not exist because there is an entry about it at Microsoft Windows. Same for iPhone 8, Samsung Galaxy S8 and many others. Workspace as a Service looks too me like a stub that has the potential to be developed in the future as more companies are starting to provide such a service - just like the other stubs mentioned in the as a service article, like for example Blockchain as a service, Content as a service or Logging as a service. Arwenz (talk) 20:53, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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- The problem is that unlike Windows 11, this article does not have sufficient media coverage or exploration. If it becomes more explored in the future, then we can resurrect the article when that happens. However, as it stands, we simply don't see anything worth more than just looking at the title at the moment. Delete per above. (And per WP:OtherStuffExists, the last three articles you linked have very valid arguments for deletion as well.) Aaron Liu (talk) 19:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- SenzMate (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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At the moment, it seems like it may be WP:TOOSOON to have an article about this company. The only other coverage I found was this interview I found in Lanka Business Online, which is an interview with little to no independent or secondary content. The Daily FT articles read like press releases, so I am inclined to exclude them based on the precautionary principle expressed in WP:ORGIND. May be a few more years before the requisite coverage exists for us to be able to write a proper article on it. Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:06, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
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- CitizenLab (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not meet WP:ORG. Has been marked as problematic since 2020. Just summarizes the routine business activities of the company and its main offering. The awards do not contribute to notability as they lack articles themselves. I can't find sources with significant coverage of this company, like its particular influence on citizen engagement. 331dot (talk) 13:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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- What I suggest you look into and are most welcome to integrate in the page:
- Impact on engagement - all third-party sources where the company had no influence in what was put out:
- https://www.localdigital.gov.uk/case-studies/developing-powerful-tools-to-improve-local-play-park-planning-engagement-and-efficiency/
- https://www.newham.gov.uk/news/article/1202/newham-s-people-powered-places-becomes-a-world-leader-in-participatory-democracy
- https://ircai.org/top100/entry/ai-based-community-engagement-platform-and-analysis-by-citizenlab/
- https://www.peoplepowered.org/news-content/chile-institute-uses-digital-platform-to-engage-youth
- https://www.peoplepowered.org/platform-ratings
- Impact on engagement - company's own impact report, reporting on how it empowers the client community: https://impact2023.citizenlab.co/ Sören3300 (talk) 14:33, 17 October 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Sören3300 (talk • contribs) appears to have a close connection with the subject of the article being discussed.
- The first two sources are primary sources- users of your company's offering. The third seems to be a directory listing with a description. The people powered Chile story might be okay, but that's only one. The rating is not as it's not significant coverage. The company's own reports are primary sources as well. 331dot (talk) 14:41, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- @331dot IRCAI = International Research Centre on Artificial Intelligence (IRCAI) under the auspices of UNESCO, not just some directory listing website :) Sören3300 (talk) 14:46, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, but it's still not significant coverage that contributes to notability. Personally I never heard of IRCAI(not that's it's required I have heard of it) 331dot (talk) 14:47, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- https://wsa-global.org/wsa-awards/winners/#?year=2019&
- https://etion.be/kennis/aline-muylaert-wietse-van-rans-beeck-winnen-etion-leadership-award
- A former Obama administration official Beth Noveck is Chair of the board: https://www.lecho.be/entreprises/media-marketing/citizenlab-se-renforce-avec-une-ancienne-collaboratrice-d-obama/10241348.html
- @331dot IRCAI = International Research Centre on Artificial Intelligence (IRCAI) under the auspices of UNESCO, not just some directory listing website :) Sören3300 (talk) 14:46, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- - one of the leading platforms in the space: https://democracy-technologies.org/participation/citizen-lab-platform/ Sören3300 (talk) 14:44, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- The World Summit Awards have an article, so that works towards contributing towards notability(but the other awards listed should just be removed as they don't have articles). The award the founder received is for the founder, not the company itself. That's still two- we usually look for three with in-depth coverage. 331dot (talk) 14:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- And I didn't examine if they were press-release type articles. They seem to be interviews. 331dot (talk) 14:54, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Impact on engagement - all third-party sources where the company had no influence in what was put out:
- Delete per nom. Fails WP:NORG. Little in-depth coverage in independent, reliable sources. C F A 💬 14:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Very PROMO. The awards are non-notable, The sources given in the comment above are either primary, mentions only or PR items. I've tried .be websites, still only getting PR and their own web sites. Non-notable entity. Oaktree b (talk) 14:52, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Note, the company rep seems to have elected to vanish rather than engage with us. 331dot (talk) 15:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- It wasn't helpful when they keep posting PR links. Oaktree b (talk) 16:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- For interest's sake, the article was created by a different (and undisclosed) paid rep. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:43, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- It wasn't helpful when they keep posting PR links. Oaktree b (talk) 16:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - yet another advertisement for a SaaS-based startup. The sources (at least, the ones I can actually get to load or past the paywall) do not indicate this passes WP:GNG. ASUKITE 18:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom Cos (X + Z) 18:38, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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- History of Mozilla Thunderbird (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Significant violations of WP:NOTCHANGELOG, and I have reason to believe it also violates WP:UNDUE due to the article's documenting of all versions of Thunderbird, including every single beta version. Without the table, there is not enough content to justify the article's existence, at least currently. It also has longstanding issues, including a lack of reliable, high-quality, secondary sources as almost every single source is just a link to Mozilla's own release notes, which is in incredibly heavy primary source territory. I feel like so much focus has been put on filling out the table that it has been to the detriment of the article as a whole. - Evelyn Harthbrooke (leave a message · contributions) 07:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge into Mozilla Thunderbird#History and development per nom, release history table should not be included in main article. मल्ल (talk) 20:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Mozilla_Thunderbird#History_and_development: As the history is already covered at the parent article and this is a clear violation of WP:NOTCHANGELOG. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 01:23, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Microsoft Egypt (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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One of many, many country specific subsidiaries of Microsoft that does not seem to be independently notable under WP:NCORP. Brandon (talk) 05:52, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect. Has been around since 2007, hopefully can be redirected to Microsoft. gidonb (talk) 16:47, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- I fully support redirecting to Microsoft. Brandon (talk) 04:20, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the support, Brandon! Going forward, could you please include such ATDs in the intro? gidonb (talk) 12:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- I fully support redirecting to Microsoft. Brandon (talk) 04:20, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Real-time Cmix (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I couldn't find good enough sources to add to show it meets WP:N. Boleyn (talk) 15:34, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Corvigo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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There doesn't seem to be much coverage of this company outside of trade journals. The NYT article mentions the company a few times but does not address it directly in much if any detail. CNN is one single namedrop. I can't see any way of meeting all four criteria of WP:ORGCRIT with multiple sources, unfortunately. Previously deleted by PROD in 2006. Alpha3031 (t • c) 07:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge with Tumbleweed Communications. DigitalIceAge (talk) 15:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Just for the record, I am not opposed to redirection as an ATD (and would have WP:BLARed had there not been a previous PROD) but I don't believe there is anything that is appropriate to merge. Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:13, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Jason Parker (security researcher) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Autobiographical article, content is not substantiated by the sources and it does not seem possible to write more than a stub about the subject. The sources almost entirely briefly mention the subject in connection with a security vulnerability, some include short quotes from the subject, none seem to provide details on the subject themselves. Brandon (talk) 02:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Could you please provide more details about what isn't substantiated by the sources? The small handful of paragraphs without citations have information that's given in articles cited elsewhere. If you could point to any specifics, I would be happy to either show which article(s) it comes from, or if one of the more recent citations that discuss it have been missed, add them.
- In a lot of cases, the notability of a subject comes from their work, so I'm a bit confused how this would be different from many other articles on Wikipedia. Is this simply a categorization problem? In the public sector circles where this information travels, the name and works are quite well known; the number of high quality sources would also suggest this.
- As for your comment about it not being possible to write more than a stub, I have to disagree. There is a lot more detail about the works and their specific effects that could be added, but I didn't find it prudent for myself to add that. Additionally, WP:Stub suggests that some editors and the bot would find that 250, 300, or 500 words (this one is 650 as of this note) is an appropriate length to not be considered a stub.
- Having said all of that, I note your status on Wikipedia, and understand that there is little likelihood of this article staying. NorthAntara (talk) 03:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Please ignore the admin icon, I'm just someone who used to spend too much time on Wikipedia and enjoys computer security. My AfD nominations end with the article being kept as often as anyone else.
- Being the primary author of an article about yourself is not recommended. You were extremely transparent, which is appreciated, it is just very challenging to write a neutral article based entirely on verifiable sources as the subject of the article yourself. With that said, here are some article about security researchers that have a tone and structure I'd suggest emulating: Tavis Ormandy, Eva Galperin, and Charlie Miller. Cutting inferences such as "leading to increased awareness and remediation of these issues" and the entire impact section would be the first edits I personally would make. Brandon (talk) 04:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- If I were the type to make bets on AfD results, I'd say this'd most likely close as no consensus like the Ian Coldwater AfD. Not sure if I'll dig in to see if I can find more sources for this one. We don't really do field specific versions of BIO for "coverage is pretty rare for this field" (except for academia) but on a quick review I'd say it's borderline for BASIC, not an outright fail. Not (yet) going to make it a !vote though, even if should it be possible or make sense to enter one for no consensus (wouldn't make much of a difference anyway since it's not a vote). Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:10, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - Leaving aside the autobiographically-ness of the article, I think having ArsTechnica, a variety of legal sources, TechCrunch and SC Media go into depth about a specific vulnerability and explicitly accredit the discovery of said vulnerabilities to a person, should push the said person over the bar of WP:GNG, since, such coverage is pretty rare in the field of cybersecurity and would count as significant coverage (imo).Sohom (talk) 06:03, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per WP:OR. The biggest problem with autobiography on a website that never ever publishes original research is that it violates our reason for existence as an encyclopedia. As of 2024, everyone not hiding under a rock and illiterate (I’m being figurative here, not literal) knows that we don’t do creative writing, publish patents pending, and experimental scholarly work. Everything written on Wikipedia needs a citation: it’s a basic requirement for biographical writing, which as a general rule requires significant coverage in three or more secondary or reliable primary sources. We are currently being sued for just mentioning a judge’s name; India could cut off another 1/4 of humanity from Wikipedia. Turning to the subject page,
about 2/3 is completely unsourced.there’s not a single secondary source. As an aside, we really avoid being a soap box for advocacy and we are not a free web host. Sorry, but the writer knew or should have known that this was going to be deleted. Bearian (talk)
- I’ve removed all of the unsourced information and analysis, stubifying the page. I think this is closer to WP:BARE than before. Bearian (talk) 13:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)