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Category:Christ myth theory proponents

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:02, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Nondefining categorization by opinion. Many of the articles don't mention the theory (such as Christopher Hitchens); with the others (like Michel Onfray or Edward Greenly) it does not appear to be a defining attribute. (t · c) buidhe 23:59, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 03:04, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Critics of the Christ myth theory

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:02, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non defining categorization by opinion. The articles I checked like Craig Blomberg don't mention the theory. (t · c) buidhe 23:47, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 03:03, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Critics of classical liberalism

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:02, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining categorization by opinion. The articles I checked don't mention classical liberalism. (t · c) buidhe 23:43, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 03:03, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Critics of the United Nations

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:02, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Nondefining categorization by opinion. The articles I checked didn't even mention criticism of the United Nations. (t · c) buidhe 23:16, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 03:03, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Critics of Objectivism (Ayn Rand)

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:02, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Nondefining categorization by opinion. The articles I checked don't even mention Objectivism. (t · c) buidhe 23:13, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Mason (talk) 03:03, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Critics of Kemalism

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:03, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Like a lot of subcategories of Category:Critics, this is nondefining categorization by opinion, see WP:OPINIONCAT. For example Taner Akcam is notable for his historical research not opinion about Kemalism. There are a lot of verifiability issues too; Mümtaz'er Türköne's article doesn't mention Kemalism. (t · c) buidhe 23:11, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Notable quote from WP:OPINIONCAT is pretty clear that "Avoid categorizing people by their personal opinions, even if a reliable source can be found for the opinions. This includes supporters or critics of an issue, ..." Mason (talk) 03:03, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hydraulics concepts

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Hydraulics. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:03, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I really don't know what to do with this underpopulated category that is also very vaguely defined. Like what is a concept? I looked at the concepts in my own area of expertise (Category:Genetics concepts) to help myself get a better handle on what its supposed to mean, and I couldn't divine a theme as the choices in that one seemed pretty arbitrary. So I suspect that this entire tree has similar issues in arbtrariness/non-definingness. Mason (talk) 22:26, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:21st-century African-American sportspeople

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 19#Category:21st-century African-American sportspeople

Category:18th-century Prussian educators

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:18th-century Prussian people and Category:18th-century German educators (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:50, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I think that this category should be repurposed as right now there's no parent category for Purssian educators and there's only one person in the category. Mason (talk) 21:33, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Novel (book) navigational boxes

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:44, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No reason for this to be additionally disambiguated. "Novel" has a second, non-literature definition, but Novel and Category:Novel templates are already undisambiguated as the primary topic, plus I don't imagine anyone will mistakenly think "novel navigational boxes" means "new or unusual navigational boxes". InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:07, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:51, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional characters from the 6th millennium

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 20#Category:Fictional characters from the 6th millennium

Category:Fictional stevedores

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:45, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Contains only 3 characters from the same work, with no obvious merge target. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:11, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is also no real-world equivalent. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:13, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional boatswains

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:46, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: One-article category with no real-world equivalent. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:06, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional cryptographers

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:48, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one article, who is already in a subcategory of Category:Fictional linguists and does not belong in Category:Fictional spies. Actually, both those parents are inappropriate for cryptography, which is a subfield of mathematics. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:04, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, I only made this category to replace the mistitled Category:Fictional cryptographer, which was made by another user. AHI-3000 (talk) 19:18, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional United States government personnel

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 20#Category:Fictional United States government personnel

Category:Fictional government employees

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 20#Category:Fictional government employees

Category:Queen's Awards for Enterprise

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:17, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The name of the category has to match the name of the main article. The organisation was renamed back in February 2023. Keivan.fTalk 18:30, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional people in the games industry

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:49, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only two subcategories, both about gambling; and Category:Fictional gamblers is not even an occupation. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:29, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional journalists and mass media people

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The result of the discussion was: split. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:51, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Improper combination of two very different occupations; there are separate real-world categories for each. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:27, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support splitting, this should've been done a long time ago. AHI-3000 (talk) 19:22, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional brokers

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:52, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category with two very different finanical occupations and no real-world equivalent. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:56, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Korean-language singers of Thailand

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:53, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These categories are (currently) entirely redundant, as all Thai singers who are notable for singing in Korean are from K-Pop. While the Korean-language category is the older one, created in 2016, and the K-Pop one was created yesterday, I think them being K-Pop singers is the more defining aspect. If not merged, the K-Pop cat should be parented under the other anyway. Paul_012 (talk) 12:12, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:52, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rose of Tralee hosts

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:53, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT --woodensuperman 09:46, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Echo Island presenters

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:RTÉ television presenters. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:53, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT --woodensuperman 09:15, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional life forms

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional characters by species. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:53, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category is overly vague, given that humans also qualify as "life forms". There is already an existing category that classifies characters by species that could work fine instead. If someone thinks this is incorrect, I'd be happy to hear an alternative suggestion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:17, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge What is the definition of life? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:39, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support merger to Category:Fictional characters by species, or to Category:Fictional species and races if more appropriate. AHI-3000 (talk) 03:25, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional ancient Chinese people

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:55, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, only one subcategory (Shang dynasty people) properly belongs to Ancient China. Note that the periodization in China is not aligned with Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:40, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Post-classical people

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:54, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:29, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:56, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Modern Latin-language writers

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 20#Category:Modern Latin-language writers

Category:Fofonoff family

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:56, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, the two people in this category have the same surname but no evidence is provided that they are family of each other. And if there would be evidence then the category would be redundant as the articles would already link to each other directly. Family categories are only useful with a larger number of articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:04, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
They would not necessarily link to each other if they are not direct descendants; people can be related more distantly and then wouldn't be linked directly to each other. For what it's worth, there will be more coming towards the end of the year. It's final exam time right now, so I don't have time to start writing the rest of the articles that are on my to do list or to translate the ones that exist on other language versions. - Yupik (talk) 09:25, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for now. Even if they're not directly related, a pair of people could easily be mentioned as being distant relatives. In terms of creating a critical mass, if you were to create enough additional pages that it would be too difficult/awkward to mention them in the page, then the category could be recreated. Mason (talk) 03:09, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The reason these two are not mentioned as being relatives is because I even though I know how they are related, I cannot back it up with a source. Out of curiousity, what would you consider a critical mass to be for a group of people who number around 1000–1250? - Yupik (talk) 17:25, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We've had that discussion a lot and 5 or 10 articles have been proposed but there's not a firm number. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:35, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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