User talk:Sam Sailor/Archive 23

• Hello User:Sam Sailor. I had been working on this draft here for Rachel Hart. Who is part of the show 100 Day Renovation that you reviewed. I have sinced moved it back to Draft:Rachel Hart because an editor thinks there is a COI involved [1]. I will keep working on the draft until it's ready. I have disclosed that it may look like I am involved with the subject, I am not. Just FYI. Thank you! --Media Edit NZ (talk) 06:55, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
• Follow up message. I managed to take it back to draft for work in progress. Disregard this message. I will submit when I think its suitable. Thank you! --Media Edit NZ (talk) 09:20, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Another SPA making massive changes to the article. Harizotoh9 (talk) 03:20, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Precious

Two years!

and three songs on Ravel's birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:02, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Merci, Gerda! Sam Sailor 00:17, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sam Sailor.

You stole my thunder with this edit! I had just finished adding the three links.

Cheers. Aoziwe (talk) 13:48, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

@Aoziwe: Jared Purton showed up in a Quarry query, but you are welcome to undo my edit and remove the {{orphan}} template yourself. Best, Sam Sailor 14:48, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

No, you are welcome to it. Just thought I would say hi. Aoziwe (talk) 10:17, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, very kind of you. Best, Sam Sailor 10:50, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm curious about this edit. Why do you want to keep the draft alive? It's obviously not going anywhere. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:24, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

I have sourced and expanded the draft, and it is now in main space. Historic sites listed in NRHP are often kept, please see WP:MAPOUTCOMES, and the relevant SNG that you were looking for is Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features). Best regards, Sam Sailor 08:08, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Nice job. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 11:20, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

@RoySmith: I was about to thank you in the page history, when my old, fat fingers hit rollback. My apologies! Sam Sailor 19:18, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

You deleted my "Latino (Rome)" article. I used a valid source for the article; Wikipedia Italiano. Will you please replace the article I created for this Wikipedia site? Thank you GiannaZarelli (talk) 15:29, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

GiannaZarelli, as I wrote on your talk page, the page was moved to Draft:Latino (Rome), and it is unsourced. If you need help with sourcing and formatting references, I'm here to help. Best regards, Sam Sailor 15:37, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Ciao, Sam Sailor: I must confess, I don't know how to source an article on Wikipedia. I do need help with sourcing and formatting references. I will take you up on your kind offer to help me. I really appreciate it. Grazie mille, bello — Preceding unsigned comment added by GiannaZarelli (talk • contribs) 16:18, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

@GiannaZarelli: I would love to help with sourcing, but choosing to write the English equivalent to it:Latino (zona di Roma) is not the easiest place to start, because (a) the Italian article is not in itself a big, fat well-sourced article, and (b) searching for sources brings about a lot of false positives as the zona straddles or is part of (see, as a non-Italian I can't even figure that out!) the quartiere it:Appio-Latino.

Sure, if you can bring me the sources, URLs are fine, Google book hits are wonderful, then I will gladly format the citations.

A much better (read: easier) place to start would be with one of the higher subdivisions of Rome, such as quartiri. Ma, guardi out of 35 we only have six in English! Translating it:Appio-Latino would make a very nice article here. Sam Sailor 18:18, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

This seems to have been reinstated in name space 18 minutes after you draftified it. PamD 16:25, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me, PamD. The filming has started, and given the participation of a superstar like Amitabh Bachchan in due course we will have source for an article; but not just yet. We could redirect to either S. J. Surya or Amitabh Bachchan and stick in a mention. As a search term the film title is valid. ... Well, or maybe not so much, we have a 1968 film at the base name Uyarndha Manithan with a hatnote. What do you think? Sam Sailor 17:32, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi. Great to see you back. Hope all is well. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 19:54, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Lugnuts, good to hear from you. I hope you're well too. Best, Sam Sailor 05:53, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing Bebar (state constituency), Sam Sailor.

Onel5969 has gone over this page again and marked it as unpatrolled. Their note is:

Hi. Just to let you know, this editor is mass creating these stubs, and while it looks like it is cited, they aren't.

Please contact Onel5969 for any further query. Thanks.

Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.

Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:41, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Onel5969, let's try and source them. Sam Sailor 11:44, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi. There are literally hundreds. The editor has been told numerous times to provide adequate sources, and simply keeps recreating the articles. There's been a discussion on the NPP reviewer talk page, Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers#Large number of constituency stubs by PPP001, and I'm actually in the process of opening an ANI discussion about it. If we don't get this new editor to simply provide a valid source when they create the article, this problem will perpetuate itself.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:49, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

You are probably right, B, I will go through them again and move to draft space, if the link to the source is dead. They ought to be sourceable, though. Sam Sailor 11:52, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Oh, they are definitely sourceable. It's just trying to nip a behavioral issue in the bud.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:08, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Well said. Sam Sailor 12:10, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

This is another NRM page I'm working on. Problem is that there's too few people actively working on it, so the proponents have had free reign forever. And there's a bunch of discussions on the talk page, but too few people participating in them. Similar situation with Providence. If you could take a look at the page, or at least add it to your watch list. Harizotoh9 (talk) 08:08, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

​I've had a quick read, and have watchlisted the article, and I'll have a close look later. Thanks, Sam Sailor 08:42, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Check out Five Percent Nation, another small group with similar issues on WP. Harizotoh9 (talk) 05:46, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

​Will do, thanks. Sam Sailor 06:15, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Thread retitled from "April 2019".

Hi Sam Sailor. I removed the redirection from Sailing at the 1989 Bolivarian Games because there is no specific page about sailing in that edition of the games, and, like the rest of sports with no page, it should be empty so that it could be created. Thanks.--Banderas (talk) 10:58, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Holá, Banderas. OK, I see, but no, that's not how it works. Sailing at the 1989 Bolivarian Games was a two-line stub, one line actually discounting the sentence in Spanish (permalink), and was redirected to the article about the games, 1989 Bolivarian Games. This is common practice per our deletion policy, please see WP:ATD-R. If you decide to draft an article about the sailing events at the game, the current redirect can be deleted. Let me know, if I can be of any help. Sam Sailor 15:21, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Why did you remove the sentence regarding the military service of Clarence Smith on the Five Percent Nation page and the two sources verifying his service? OjogbonIjinle (talk) 20:47, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Please follow the instructions given at the top of this talk page and post new sections at the bottom. I have moved it for you. Your addition to Five-Percent Nation in Special:Diff/893495107/893498593 was original research based on primary sources; that kind of flattery does not belong in an encyclopædic article, let alone in the lead.

What do you want to edit apart from Five-Percent Nation? Sam Sailor 20:54, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

The sentence is documented, historical information from reliable cited sources. An historically accurate documented sentence about military service is not, to my knowledge, "flattery" and the information was not presented as such. OjogbonIjinle (talk) 21:33, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

​No, the sentence is not "documented" in the source provided, and we would need secondary sources in any case. I ask you again: What do you want to edit apart from Five-Percent Nation? Sam Sailor 21:53, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

See page eight of the source provided and another source was included that you deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OjogbonIjinle (talk • contribs) 00:04, 22 April 2019 (UTC) OjogbonIjinle (talk) 00:30, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Pardon my confusion - Wikipedia is wonderfully huge but I am finding it hard to navigate around to the right place. I had a new article accepted (Alexander Kellock Brown) in the START class. I am wondering what is the most important next step? I understand that the article is in need of more information, better wording, and so on. I don't know what the priorities are from the point of view of Wikipedia. For your information, my plan was to start with a small core of well-documented facts, develop and submit a brief article, and if accepted, add to it. I want to be careful to adhere to the rules as best as I can - even though I am sure I do not understand the full import of many of them.

I have a secondary question too. When reading the various guides at Wikipedia, can I get into trouble following links in any order? Do all paths get to the same end point?

SABrown256 (talk) 21:46, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

@SABrown256: I don't understand the secondary question. As for article development, if you keep Wikipedia:Core content policies in mind, you can't go totally wrong. Any doubts, just ask. Sam Sailor 05:07, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorry for being unclear. I tried starting reading the messages I was sent when I submitted my first article earlier this week. There were many links presented, and if I followed any one of them, I got to a page with many more links, and so on. What I could not tell was whether or not I would get to the same information regardless of the order I took when following links. As a concrete example, when I first started with my Wikipedia account, I read the guides on creating new articles. As best I could determine, the COI info said that articles about family were discouraged but not absolutely forbidden. I chose to submit the article on Alexander Kellock Brown because there was the red link in the article on William Kellock Brown. Now Alexander Kellock Brown is my great grandfather and I had lots of information on him and citable references to support that information. So I wrote and submitted a very short article with references to every statement of fact. Now, when the article was accepted, I began reading the information I was sent as follow-up. The COI language I encountered there seems to be different than what I found in the guides at first. It seems to forbid rather than to discourage. If I am reading that right then it matters which path you take through the network of links in the Wikipedia guidance. I want very much to be correct and above board here because I understand and strongly support the goals of Wikipedia as I understand them. I am also sorry to say that I cannot reproduce the path I took and the pages on which I found the COI discussions. Any guidance on the path forward would be greatly appreciated. SABrown256 (talk) 15:44, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

@SABrown256: The relevant guideline is Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. There's one line in the guideline that deserves attention: "A COI can exist in the absence of bias, and bias regularly exists in the absence of a COI.". I did wonder if SABrown256 could be a relative to Alexander Kellock Brown. I don't see any bias when I read the article. When an editor writes about a distant relative there's usually two things to have in mind: (a) don't turn the article into a hagiography, (b) don't include information that can not be verified by secondary or tertiary sources. WP:NPOV and WP:V, both are core content policies. Sam Sailor 07:01, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, having a laser pointer zero in on the spot on the wall that needs to be examined really helps. I will also add that things such as the talk section of an article did not register at all without a few readings and some hands on experience. Yet another newbie slowly coming up to speed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SABrown256 (talk • contribs) 14:22, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

 

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Sri Lanka Easter bombings is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sri Lanka Easter bombings until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:43, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Clarityfiend. For the record, it is a WP:UPT situation following a move requested at RM/TR. I am quite sure we had an RfC a few years ago that clarified, that AfD is a good venue for contested WP:BLARS, but I can't find it. Would you happen to remember where the RfC took place? Best, Sam Sailor 07:26, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Since I wasn't aware there was an RfC, no. Clarityfiend (talk) 18:28, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Please note the context of the word Dolomite - "Most cave chemistry revolves around calcium carbonate (CaCO3), the primary mineral in limestone and dolomite." It is obvious from this context that "dolomite" is referring to the rock type, not to the mineral. The mineral dolomite also occurs in the rock type dolomite, but it is far less soluble, and so has little effect on the cave chemistry. I will be reverting it to make sense unless I hear sensible arguments to the contrary. Langcliffe (talk) 20:53, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

P.S. Looking back at a sample of your dolomite edits, I haven't found one where the reference should be to the mineral Dolomite rather than the rock type, making nonsense of the meaning. But I really can't be bothered to check each one, and correct where appropriate. Langcliffe (talk) 21:08, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

@Langcliffe: I can understand that the scenario with the dolomite page moves is causing confusion. Let's recap what has happened:
1. The article about the mineral used to be at the base name Dolomite, and was moved to the qualified title Dolomite (mineral).
2. The article about the rock was moved from Dolostone to Dolomite (rock), leaving a redirect behind.
3. The disambiguation page was moved from Dolomite (disambiguation) to the base name Dolomite.
Schematically:

Subject	Former title	Current title
mineral	Dolomite	Dolomite (mineral)
rock	Dolostone	Dolomite (rock)
DAB	Dolomite (disambiguation)	Dolomite

As a consequence of these moves, all pages that previously linked to Dolomite, the article about the mineral, became misdirected: they now linked to the disambiguation page but should link to Dolomite (mineral). The relevant guideline is WP:FIXDABLINKS. The page mover, bar a handful, neglected to repair the links, hence Dolomite appeared in Category:Disambiguation pages with many incoming links from April 2019 with an astounding 1109 incoming links from namespace zero and 200+ incoming links form other namespaces.

Speleothem
More than two years ago on 12 January 2017 in Special:Diff/759462123/next, this text was introduced to Speleothem: Most cave chemistry revolves around [[calcium carbonate]] (CaCO<sub>3</sub>), the primary mineral in [[limestone]] and [[dolomite]]. That is a link to the mineral, not the rock.
Nobody has changed that link in the past 2+ years. You yourself seem to have approved the link because the last time you edited the article in January in Special:Diff/818614774/818618324, you left the above sentence unaltered, linking to the mineral at the base name.
I corrected the link per WP:FIXDABLINKS to link to the mineral at the qualified article title in Special:Diff/891137563/894264610. Your subsequent revert in Special:Diff/894264610/894273812 is a paradox: you link to the DAB, which is not helpful for the reader, and the DAB is at Dolomite where the mineral used to be. Please explain yourself. Why is it suddenly after more than two years "obvious from this context that "dolomite" is referring to the rock type, not to the mineral", as you claim, why did you then not link to the correct article, and why did you postpone linking?

Wookey Hole Caves
Wookey Hole Caves is an even better example of inconsistent editing.
More than five years ago in February 2014 in Special:Diff/593708842/593709213 you added this to the infobox: [[Dolomite|Dolomitic conglomerate]] and [[limestone]] piping "Dolomitic conglomerate" to the article about the mineral, not the rock, with the edit summary "Correct geology in infobox".
You have edited the article 40 times since and have maintained that "Dolomitic conglomerate" should be piped to the article about the mineral. Nobody else have changed the link in the mean time.
Yet yesterday, you change the piping in Special:Diff/894256010/894257518 to point to dolomite (rock). In effect, you are "correcting" yourself and the link you added five years ago, and the statement "making nonsense of the meaning" then applies to your own original edit.
Is this just confusion arising from the page moves? I think so. Otherwise, if your pipe to dolomite (rock) is all of a sudden correct, then you'd had to explain why you erroneously piped the link in the first place and let it stay in the article for five years.

Moving forward, we need to investigate and repair the remaining ~660 incoming links to Dolomite. Feel free to help out. Noticing that a lot of links that for years have been pointing to the mineral article now are being "fixed" to link to the rock article suggests that involved editors should have a chat on e.g. WT:GEOL to sort out the matter. Regards, Sam Sailor 10:39, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

I am happy to take the blame for anything and everything that you care to throw at me. But in my defence, I would like to point out that when I piped to Dolomite, the link was to a page that said "Dolostone or dolomite rock is a sedimentary carbonate rock that contains a high percentage of the mineral dolomite.", and so was correct at that time. I saw no reason to check everything that I had dabbed in the article on all my subsequent revisions, so to that extent it is all my fault as you imply. I suspect that the same applies to the other pages where I piped to dolomite, but I can't be arsed to check each and every one. Langcliffe (talk) 15:23, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

​Diffs are really helpful in discussions like this.

The statement

I would like to point out that when I piped to Dolomite, the link was to a page that said "Dolostone or dolomite rock is a sedimentary carbonate rock that contains a high percentage of the mineral dolomite."

is not correct.
At the time of piping [[Dolomite|Dolomitic conglomerate]], the article about the mineral looked like this and read:
Dolomite /ˈdɒləmaɪt/ is a carbonate mineral composed of calcium magnesium carbonate CaMg(CO₃)₂. The word dolomite is also used to describe the sedimentary carbonate rock, which is composed predominantly of the mineral dolomite (also known as dolostone).
You are quoting from the article about the rock that looked like this.

Let's take a positive approach to this: if these page-moves result in a closer look at the many hundreds of [[dolomite]] links, and determines that some were incorrectly pointing to the mineral article and ought to point to the rock article, and are corrected accordingly, then we are improving our encyclopedia. Best regards, Sam Sailor 05:03, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Could you explain how my changing a link to a more appropriate article is “unhelpful” as you stated here? Lava Lamps (talk) 18:15, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

@Lava Lamps: As with the use of "dolomite" to refer to both the mineral per se and rock rich in that mineral, "magnesian limestone" has been used as a term that refers to either rock rich in dolomite, as is the case in Leigh, Greater Manchester, or to a specific suite in north-east England, the term is then sometimes capped "Magnesian Limestone" see e.g. Baines, T. (2013). Lancashire & Cheshire: Past and Present. Volume 1. Heritage Publications. p. 166. ISBN 978-1-4710-7838-5. that mentions the distinction and calls the latter "true magnesian limestone". Quite confusing, indeed. Best, Sam Sailor 04:28, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		In gratitude for your diligent protection of the Queen's household. Andrew D. (talk) 10:06, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Why, thank you, "sir", nothing out of the ordinary, one's just doing one's duty, "sir". Quite an unhelpful and ill-prepared nomination, if you don't mind me saying, "sir". ... Enough of the peasantly plesantries, thank you, Andrew. Similarly Gender-blind isn't going anywhere fast soon. The term gets 22,600 hits on GScholar, lack of BEFORE indeed. Best, Sam Sailor 13:39, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

When and if the Draft:Akwasi_Evans becomes an accepted article, will the current history be preserved? Personally I'd prefer all of the initial draft set of changes to be wiped and have the history begin from when I submitted for editors to consider. Mbcoats (talk) 17:57, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

@Mbcoats: Yes, it will. To the best of my knowledge, it is not possible with the current version of MediaWiki to wipe out selected lines from the editing history of a page. Sam Sailor 18:31, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

@Mbcoats: Come to think of it, I suppose it is eligible for deletion under WP:G7, it is worth a try: blank the page and add {{db-author}}. But make sure you have the raw text stored somewhere else. And then you start the draft again in your userspace. Does it make sense? :) Sam Sailor 20:22, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Sam, I'll try that once it advances. Mbcoats (talk) 02:02, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

@Mbcoats: If it was me, I'd do it sooner rather than later. Why is it you would prefer to have a shorter history? Sam Sailor 03:16, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Just using wiki as my sandbox to shape the article. Until I submit, the history is my personal work that I'd rather not see published. Mbcoats (talk) 01:54, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sam, we've not spoken in a while, hope your well, but is there any chance you could give me some advice on my newest article? Thanks mate. --Buntz06 (talk) 20:54, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

@Buntz06: Sorry, mate, but XxUndergroundxX is not what Wikipedia is for. Sam Sailor 20:58, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi! I am looking for a third opinion, as I am not sure how to take this:

User:Walter Görlitz blanked Rewind, Replay, Rebound and replaced it with a redirect, claiming it not to be notable. There was no consensus that I could see.

I reverted the edit and added a short description. Both my edits where promptly reverted.

I changed it back and warned him on his talk page. He then reverted both my edits (the warning and the change-back) and left me a message.

What should I do now? --T2Bean (talk · contribs) 07:07, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@T2Bean: The relevant policy in a situation like this is Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Redirection. Walter Görlitz redirects as an {{R from album}}, that is quite normal per WP:BLAR. You contest the redirect by undoing his edit (a short ES like "I think there are sources to meet WP:NALBUM" is always beneficial). At that point, no further back and forth should take place. Quoting the policy in its entirety:

If redirection will not leave an unsuitable trailing redirect, deletion is not required; any user can boldly blank the page and redirect it to another. If the change is disputed, an attempt should be made to reach a consensus before restoring the redirect. Suitable venues for seeking a consensus if a redirection is challenged include the article's talk page, Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion, and Wikipedia:Requests for Comment.

I will restore Rewind, Replay, Rebound and start the talk page, where I suggest you both take a look at the sources available. Sam Sailor 07:32, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Well, WP:GNG and WP:NALBUM come into play. It's still not notable. Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:56, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the info! --T2Bean (talk · contribs) 14:52, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Dear Sam, I noticed that you moved Fort William (Lighthouse) - a page that I created - to 'Cape Coast Castle Light'. During my visits to the place it was referred to as Fort William and it is also referred to as such on the Ghana Museums and Monuments Board website. On Wiki Commons and on the pictures it is also referred to as Fort William. Just to clarify: 'Cape Coast Castle' is another building on the other end of the old centre of town. Could you explain to me why you decided to change the name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Macabe5387 (talk • contribs) 08:43, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Dear Macabe5387, thanks for asking. As I said first in Special:Diff/897227914, the capped DAB qualifier, "(Lighthouse)", makes little sense, so I moved Fort William (Lighthouse) to Fort William Lighthouse, a title that follows the convention NAME Lighthouse. Looking at sources I then moved the article again in Special:Diff/897229292 to its current location at Cape Coast Castle Light with the edit summary "The name of this one is not easy to resolve, but "Cape Coast Castle Light" is a fair title." You are absolutely right, the lighthouse is not a part of Cape Coast Castle and Russ Rowlett also says that specifically: "The lighthouse is often called "Cape Coast Castle Light," although Fort William is not part of the Cape Coast Castle complex." On the other hand, it is not part of Fort William, Ghana either. But I'm fine with going with the Ghana Museums and Monuments Board website and moving it back to Fort William Lighthouse. Let me know, and I'll move it. Best, Sam Sailor 09:15, 16 May 2019 (UTC) (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.)

Dear Sam, thank you so much for your quick and detailed reply. There are two different structures in the Central Region called Fort William and this is indeed confusing. Moving it back to Fort William Lighthouse would make most sense to me. It would be great if you could do so. Best, (Macabe5387 (talk) 15:19, 16 May 2019 (UTC))

@Macabe5387: Now moved back to Fort William Lighthouse with the lead reworded, have a look at it. Best, Sam 17:29, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm probably missing something simple with respect to your RD1 request at The Rockingbirds.

Oddly, that edit was flagged by CopyPatrol but I did not see the issue.

Earwig timed out.

The duplication detector found "from the original", But that's not enough to justify a revision relation.

What am I missing?--S Philbrick(Talk) 18:41, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

You are not missing anything, Sphilbrick, it is I who have provided the wrong URL, the correct is http://hankypankyrecords.blogspot.com/2019/03/the-rockingbirds-more-rockingbirds-hpr.html Corrected now, sorry for the inconvenience. Best, Sam Sailor 19:02, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Sam Sailor, Thanks,   Done.--S Philbrick(Talk) 19:32, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

@MJL: Funny that you drop by today, I have spend some time this afternoon making a list of more aliases. They as well as a few more Rcats should be added to the script this evening. Best, Sam Sailor 18:33, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

[Thank you for the ping] That's pretty funny actually! If there is anyway I can help, do let me know.   –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 19:58, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

​Updated the script earlier today, check it out. I bet most of those {{R from template shortcut}}s are not even categorised as such, that they stem from the days when editors added them entirely manually, and that "most" are not in use and could be commented out in the script. Investigate, if you wish. ;) Sam Sailor 18:57, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Oh you clever person you; Thank you for your diligence in this matter! –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 19:27, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

7&6=thirteen (☎) has given you a Dobos torte to enjoy! Seven layers of fun because you deserve it. To give a Dobos torte and spread the WikiLove, just place {{subst:Dobos Torte}} on someone else's talkpage, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:51, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Yum yum, that looks edible, thank you so much, friend! Ahh, brings alive a fond memory or two of days long passed where I passed the days in the arms of an Hungarian woman who introduced me to the magic of Kosztolányi ... but I disgress, forgive me. And thank you for all the good you do to Elizabeth L. Gardner and elsewhere. Very best regards, Sam Sailor 18:39, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. I am told that this has virtually no calories.

As to Elizabeth L. Gardner, enjoy the DYK. This is really sweet payback! 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:10, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Please note that WP:INTDABLINK trumps WP:NAVNOREDIRECT, because failure to follow WP:INTDABLINK creates the appearance of errors needing to be fixed. This is even more of an issue in templates, which can create the appearance of thousands of errors. bd2412 T 04:01, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks for reminding me about that. Best, Sam Sailor 04:41, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Cheers! bd2412 T 13:51, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sam, since you moved the series of UNESCO articles, is there a centralized discussion on that or what rule did you follow? As the standard keeps changing a couple of times per year, I'd just like to know what we are following at the moment :) Cheers! Tone 16:37, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Tone. To my knowledge, there has not been a WP:CD about this. As I said in the move edit summaries "...per the several discussions on Talk:World Heritage Site and consistent with the set." The October 2018 MR closed as Move to World Heritage Site. A lot of the associated list files had at that point already been moved to List of World Heritage sites in Foo. The Requested move 8 December 2018 was quickly withdrawn per snow. I do not think we have heard the last word about this, so to remain diplomatic, I categorized the redirects from List of World Heritage sites in Foo to List of World Heritage Sites in Foo as {{R from other capitalisation}} rather than {{R from miscapitalisation}}. Does this answer your question? Best, Sam Sailor 17:01, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm fine with any of the two, as long as we are consistent :) --Tone 17:04, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

​Looking at Category:Lists of World Heritage Sites, I think we are all good for the moment. Except for List of National Monuments of Bosnia and Herzegovina where we already have the FL List of World Heritage Sites in Bosnia and Herzegovina in the cat. So I repeated Special:Diff/787377079/820080769, created a redirect on Commons from c:File:Gazi Husrev-Bey's Bezistan (marketplace) (6086716410).jpg to c:File:Gazi Husrev-Bey’s Bezistan (marketplace) (6086716410).jpg so we avoid the article ending up in CAT:MISSFILE in the future should anybody run a MOS script, and corrected a number of minor things in Special:Diff/881908227/900141034. Best, Sam Sailor 18:17, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Hey Sam! I sent a mail about my article, I hope that you would give me a feedback about it, thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by YBAhmed (talk • contribs) 13:35, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi YBAhmed! Thank you for your mail. I still do not see the sourcing provided in Draft:Center for Technological Innovation and Entrepreneurship as sufficient for a pass of our natability guideline, and the draft very much reads as an About page for the centre. You have already added more or less the same material to the parent article Católica Lisbon School of Business & Economics, and I created a redirect from Center for Technological Innovation and Entrepreneurship to the relevant section in the article. Your intentions quote "I am a student in the university ... offered to help them with their activities because I saw what they are doing and they deserve recognition and exposure" are noble, and such intentions are often what drives people to Wikipedia in the first place. It is, however, a misunderstanding: Wikipedia is not a platform for exposure, Wikipedia is where we try to write about subjects that have already been exposed. I hope we can retain you for the project, we always need more editors; perhaps join Wikipedia:WikiProject Portugal? Best, Sam 14:00, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

It may not 'fit' because so far from now, but see my comments there. Move instead of delete? Shenme (talk) 05:09, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

@Shenme: Now deleted, but you may ask Fastily if a WP:REFUND applies here. If my memory serves me well, the text consisted of two or three lines of text more or less identical to the intro in other solar eclipse articles, and a table with values for the eclipse. Best, Sam 05:32, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Sam -

I'm a new contributor, having become one in part to help MGen Zabecki, an erstwhile colleague of mine. He surveyed the his Wikipedia entry and was aghast at the factually incorrect information it contained. The alterations come directly from him, including the biographical passage, which he earlier composed for another purpose.

What is required to make the necessary changes permanent? Any suggestions you could offer would be welcome.

Marcus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geschichtlich4848 (talk • contribs) 15:01, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Guten Abend, Marcus, und herzlich wilkommen bei Englischen Wikipedia. If the article contains factually incorrect information, it needs to be addressed. You are welcome to edit the article yourself, but you should realize that you have a conflict of interest that can make neutral editing difficult. The more technical aspects of referencing what one writes to reliable sources can be a bit of a challenge in the beginning as well. A likely better way forward is to start a new section on Talk:David T. Zabecki, then I and, I am sure, K.e.coffman, the editor who started the article, will have a look at your suggestions. MfG, Sam Sailor 19:56, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Oh no not this again! :P This IP hopping editor has been pestering the HD for about a week now; making such a nuisance of himself that he was blocked at one stage. (Don't know if you aware of the history here.) Every question we answer or demand we 'comply' with, he'll come up with something else. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 21:09, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

@Eagleash: Well, that IP (223.230.168.24 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)) could have been handled in a better way than just the mechanical series of uw-vand1-4 and a 31h block to begin with. Their remark in the infobox was well intended, and you deserve credit for being the one who fixed it. As for their requests to HD in re the same article, sure, there's a certain juvenile urgency to them, but they sound honest to me, so I would not call that pestering. Sam Sailor 21:38, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

I hadn't seen that IP before as it goes. I would definitely call it pestering though (trouble or annoy with persistent requests etc.); see HD archives 2 June and previously. It was that IP that was blocked following multiple requests at the help desk. Eagleash (talk) 21:58, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

For keeping a watch on Helpdesk and helping a mate DBigXrayᗙ 13:28, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Ahh, thanks friend ... makes me think or rødgrød. Best, Sam Sailor 13:32, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

 

You are most welcome sir

Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:58, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Fylindfotberserk. Best, Sam Sailor 14:59, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for taking out the copyright violation on Talmadge Memorial Bridge. I'm the one that originally reverted it. I'm wondering - how did you find out about it? Is there a bot that looks for "copyright" in edit summaries or talk pages? Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 04:06, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Bubba73, CopyPatrol listed it. Best, Sam Sailor 04:22, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

That page is on my watch list, and when I saw the addition that had "... at Tuesday's meeting." I knew it must be copied from something (and it was the newspaper). Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 23:00, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Feel free to place this award on your user page, as a token of appreciation for your contributions. If you're willing to help spread the good cheer to others, please see the project page for the Random Smiley Award at: User:Elipongo/SmileyAward

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WildChild300 (talk) 00:17, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, WildChild300, that's a very kind gesture, and we can all need a little smile.   Best, Sam Sailor 00:29, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

My page Kiran Dubey was not published citing lack of references according to Wikipedia standards . Could you please guide exactly what type of references are required. And any additional correction,if there . Thanks ! Eeshu167 (talk) 20:51, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Eeshu167. I've worked a bit on Draft:Kiran Dubey, cleaned it up, and added more references. She does not meet the specific notability guideline for actors, and I doubt even the best writer could convincingly produce an article that would meet WP:BASIC. Best, Sam Sailor 06:46, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

  Thank you for sorting out the page move, and associated edits (although I see HBMS is still displayed in some pipe links where you have corrected the link bit).

Is there a reason you are not an admin? Have you considered WP:RFA? 213.205.240.17 (talk) 08:24, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, IP. You're welcome, and thanks for noticing. Double check me and see if the HBMS errors are all fixed now. As for RFA, no need to rush things, I've only been here for six years. ;) Take care, Sam Sailor 08:57, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Thread retitled from "A kitten for you!".

 

You are welcome

Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:01, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Fylindfotberserk, it's just my way of saying "you're welcome and thank you too", so you don't have to post a kitten every time.   Best, Sam Sailor 10:08, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks and welcome sir. I suffer from mild OCD, so whenever someone thanks my edit, I've have an urge to say welcome and post a Kitty Wikilove. I feel like I'm not grateful enough if I don't do it. Have to restrain it though  . I also have this urge to 'thank' vandalism reverts as well. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:17, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

​Kittens are indisputably lovely creatures and your gesture is noble. Take care, Sam Sailor 10:23, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Regards. -Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:26, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Respected Sir, Thanks for the guidance. I will try to improve the references. With regards. MA$HRVA User talk:MA$HRVA Write Right!! 17:52, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sam,

How are you?

Can you please help get my page published? Not sure why i got denied, i sited all my sources and even linked keys words back to wikepdia words.

Please help!KVDCom (talk) 13:21, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

KVDCOM

Hi KVDCom, I'm great, how are you? Draft:Pau Guardans is in queue for review, it may take up to eight weeks. It does need some copy-editing, several lines sound like something I would expect in a promotional write-up. Are you being paid to write about him? Please do the TWA, I invited you on your talk page, and then join the normal editing of our encyclopedia. If you have any questions, you are always welcome to ask me here, or you can ask your question at the Teahouse, or join Wikipedia's Live Help IRC channel to get real-time assistance. Happy editing, Sam Sailor 13:36, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

I would like to ask you something as I am a New user about RM/TR. What should I do if I had made RM requests and there are no discussions taking place in the talk/discussion page? Can I make a bold move? Sai199610 (talk) 17:26, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

I would also like to your notice that I have called for discussions but there has been replies by any User.Sai199610 (talk) 17:27, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

@Sai199610: You are so welcome to ask questions. RMs run normally for seven days. Have patience and await other editors to join the discussions. Sometimes an RM will be relisted and run 14 days. I don't think it is good form to first open an RM, then close it and boldly move. But if you think a move is uncontroversial, most articles can be boldly moved in the first place without an RM. Do check out the article history and the talk page and its archive before moving. If there has been one or more prior RM discussions, consider if it is best to open a new discussion rather than boldly moving. Details at WP:RM. Naming convention docs are in Category:Wikipedia naming conventions. HTH, Sam Sailor 19:14, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Ohk Thanks.Sai199610 (talk) 09:30, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

@Sai199610: My pleasure. Never be afraid to ask questions. The Teahouse is the perfect place to ask, but you are certainly also welcome here. Sam Sailor 18:54, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi! The discussion for moving Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus railway station to Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus is closed. Together with that we have also decided to move Lokmanya Tilak Terminus railway station to Lokmanya Tilak Terminus and also Bandra Terminus railway station to Bandra Terminus. I would like to bring to your notice that we have decided to move Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus railway station to Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus and not Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus railway station as I had made requested. You can refer this at Talk: Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus railway station. It would be good if you help me out with the next step that I should go for. Whether again give a RM and wait for a mover to move or make a bold move. Thank You...Sai199610 (talk) 15:09, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

​No, the discussion at Talk:Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus railway station is not closed, it has only been open for three days. In four-five days from now, someone will close it. Unless it is relisted for a further seven days. Two rules of thumb in regards to RMs: if you are either the one who opened it or just have participated in the discussion, do not (in almost all cases) close the discussion or move the article. Leave it to an experienced, uninvolved editor. Sam Sailor 18:44, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Oh I didn't know that it is according to the no. of days. Ok Thanks :) Sai199610 (talk) 04:56, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

No problem, Sai199610, I'm happy if I can help. Wikipedia is very complex, so it is fairly easy to make good-faith mistakes if one is unacquainted with the guidelines and common practices in a given area. So it is great that you ask questions in the beginning. Sam Sailor 06:57, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

It has been more than 7 days, infact nearly 10 days after opening the discussion at Talk:Puratchi Thalaivar Dr. M.G. Ramachandran Central Railway Station. So, most of them have opposed and appealed to revert to Chennai Central railway station. Hence, I made a revert request.Sai199610 (talk) 12:32, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

@Sai199610: The discussion has been relisted for a further seven days, just let the RM run. Sam Sailor 12:38, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

@Sam Sailor: Oh I didn't know that. Sorry! Sai199610 (talk) 12:50, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

@Sam Sailor: Hi! Sorry to trouble you multiple times. This time I would like to make a request! Please visit Talk:Mumbai Central railway station/STATION CODE. A user has been repeatedly making changes at Mumbai Central railway station station code. I have provided a primary source: apress release from the railway's website and also a secondary source: a newspaper article proving the same. But this user is arguing constantly and not ready to accept it. I had made a change in the code but due to his reluctant behaviour he is constantly changing it. The current code is "MMCT" which I tried to change from "BCT" which he just kept changing back (I would request you to refer the sources that I have provided for Mumbai Central and Mumbai CSMT on their talk pages i.e., the official ones as well as the newspaper article). The same behaviour was also observed in Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus railway station and Panvel railway station. Refer Talk:Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus railway station/STATION CODE. Here also you can see his disruptive behaviour and arguing nature. Another "Experienced user" accepted the source I provided in the same talk page. But this user is not ready to accept the change as well as his mistake. As per WP:RS a secondary source like a newspaper article is more reliable. But he has provided a station code table as reference which is an official primary source that too of the year 2015 which show no current changes. He is on the track stating he has provided 7 sources from the official website (a primary source) which are also older than that of the press release at Talk:Mumbai Central railway station/STATION CODE. I can go ahead with the changing but I fear it may lead to an edit warring and may ban the user. You can visit his talk page you will find multiple edit warring warnings to which also he had argued. I would like you to visit the above mentioned pages and make the relevant changes in the article and warn him (the user). I had requested as well as warned but it does not seem to work. If this behaviour persists I may need to request for a ban on the user. Thanking You, Regards, Sai199610 (talk) 15:47, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

@Sai199610: The discussion on Talk:Mumbai Central railway station#STATION CODE (permalink) is a normal content dispute, and you have to resolve it between yourselves. I know nothing about Indian railway station codes, and I can not be of any good help there. You could politely and neutrally ask Fowler&fowler to have a look at it, but you should not go and ask people to "make the relevant changes in the article and warn him (the user)".
Two of the most important things on Wikipedia is that we maintain a high degree of politeness towards each other and that we work together even when we disagree. You are your own worst enemy when you start a talk page discussion with "Do not edit war with the station code." Please consider taking a day off now and then. And if you get any feelings of anger when you edit here, turn off the computer and meditate an hour or two. All the best, Sam Sailor 16:30, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

@Sam Sailor: I am sorry. I will take care regarding what you have said. Thanks.Sai199610 (talk) 16:42, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

@Sam Sailor: Hi! I would like to request you to please close the discussions at Talk:Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus and Talk:Chhatrapati Shahu Maharaj Terminus railway station since these RM have been "Withdrawn" by me. ThanksSai199610 (talk) 16:59, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

​Both have been closed. Best, Sam Sailor 20:34, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

@Sam Sailor: Thank You! :)Sai199610 (talk) 05:11, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

@Sam Sailor: I would request you to please move Chhatrapati Shahu Maharaj Terminus railway station to Chhatrapati Shahu Maharaj Terminus as it was discussed to remove "railway station" suffix at Talk:Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus. Regards,Sai199610 (talk) 05:16, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

@Sai199610: I don't mind moving Chhatrapati Shahu Maharaj Terminus railway station to Chhatrapati Shahu Maharaj Terminus, if Matthew hk and User:Fowler&fowler can confirm the consensus here. The RM discussion on Talk:Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus (permalink) is about 40k of text, and it would be really helpful for the closer if the opinions were clearly stated with * '''Support''' or * '''Oppose''' to whatever title you decide on.   Best, Sam Sailor 05:34, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

		The Bombay Baroda and Central India Railway Barnstar
		For your work on Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus, I award you this barnstar. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:21, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Fowler&fowler, happy to help where I can. All the best, Sam Sailor 05:02, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

 

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:38, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello. I noticed your Taxonomy (biology) revdel request and went digging out of curiosity. It looks as if Galaxy may be reusing Wikipedia content. See, for example, this comparison, which matches part of the Galaxy page with Taxonomy - but the revision of Taxonomy is from 15 September 2011, almost two months older than the Galaxy blog (assuming the date on their page is accurate). Another example: Galaxy's 'What is ontology?' blog entry matches Ontology (information science) from four months earlier. Of course it's still possible some of their copyrighted material was added to our articles (that recent bit you tagged on Taxonomy does look dodgy), but I thought you'd want to know. Cheers, BlackcurrantTea (talk) 11:21, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

If you are sure it is a backwards copy, parts of it seem to come from https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-goals-of-taxonomy which ofcourse may also be a backwards copy, feel free to remove the template. It would be lovely if people attributed their reuse of material published under CC and did not post it as copyrighted. A minor flaw in the universal fabric of order, though. Sam Sailor 11:57, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

The woman on Quora's the owner of Galaxy. It's possible (perhaps likely, considering Ontology) that there's been some ebb and flow of text, and that it all originated on Wikipedia, but it would take more time than I care to spend to look through eight years of revisions. As I'm not certain the text in Taxonomy's a backwards copy, I won't remove the template. Cheers, BlackcurrantTea (talk) 13:09, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

​I wouldn't care either, TBH, but thanks for posting anyways. All the best, Sam Sailor 13:12, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sam. I've been using your Sagittarius+ script to tag redirects in the NPP, but noticed it didn't mark the pages as patrolled after I had done so. I've made some changes at User:Wugapodes/Capricorn.js that adds this functionality. If a user is in the "patroller" user group, it adds a checkbox near the save button which, if checked, marks the page as patrolled in addition to adding the templates on save. If the user is not in that group no such box appears and the script should function normally. You can see the difference between the two scripts here. Let me know if you have any feedback, and feel free to incorporate it into your code if you like it. Best, Wugapodes [t^hɑk] [ˈkan.ˌʧɹɪbz] 07:26, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Wonderful, thanks Wugapodes. Wouldn't you like to take over the maintenance entirely? I know far too little about javascript to properly maintain it, let alone code what you just showed me. Best, Sam Sailor 07:30, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

I can't say I'm a whiz at javascript myself, but if you're really looking to offload it I can do my best. Wugapodes [t^hɑk] [ˈkan.ˌʧɹɪbz] 07:47, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

​Sounds good. What's the best things to do here? Redirect User:Sam Sailor/Scripts/Sagittarius+ to User:Wugapodes/Capricorn and change User:Sam Sailor/Scripts/Sagittarius+.js to something like /* #REDIRECT */mw.loader.load("//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Wugapodes/Capricorn.js\u0026action=raw\u0026ctype=text/javascript");? Best, Sam Sailor 08:07, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

And the .css, would be logical that you had one at User:Wugapodes/Capricorn.css. With a redirect from "mine". Sam Sailor 08:12, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure a redirect is the best option, but may be wrong. The conservative answer would be to just add a note/message box at the top of your documentation page that points to mine. That way current users know where the code they import is coming from. But in the grand scheme of things, it's probably not a huge deal, and users would (hopefully) notice the symbol change and click to learn more. It's your call since it's your js page. I'll copy over the CSS. Wugapodes [t^hɑk] [ˈkan.ˌʧɹɪbz] 08:58, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

​Both pages have been redirected and with my vedtor.js looking like this, Capricorn loads just fine. Tested it on Music in the 70s, and patrolling works. Thanks for taking over. Best, Sam Sailor 09:19, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Please readd our lady of lourdes to virtua wiki, its a buyout virtua has bought them effective today they are now known as virtua — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.184.81.42 (talk) 09:16, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

More precisely, what do you think I can help you with here? Best, Sam Sailor 09:20, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sam,

Thanks for such a quick feedback!

Would it be possible to have a Russian Wikipedia page for Ekaterina Kozinchenko as she has been covered by the Russian media (as shown in the references)?

I understand that for an English page she does not qualify as she does not have English media coverage but maybe a Russian page would be more relevant?

Thanks, Bianka

Biankaweber (talk) 15:07, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Bianka. In fact, sources do not have to be in English on English Wikipedia, see WP:NOENG. I have posted you a welcome message and an invitation to TWA, which I highly recommend you explore. Please let me know how I can get you started with editing in general. Best, Sam Sailor 17:03, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sam,

Thanks for the suggestions. I've had a quick look on the non-English sources page on Wiki and it suggested the translation of the original sources. Would it help the page being published if I had translated the original source? Or, would you recommend waiting until more articles have been published about the subject of the page?

Thanks, B — Preceding unsigned comment added by Biankaweber (talk • contribs) 08:02, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

First of all I'd love to see you getting started as an active Wikipedian, not just a new editor pushing for a bio of a borderline-notable person being published. Are you being paid for writing Draft:Ekaterina Kozinchenko? Sam Sailor 08:12, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:John Stott. Legobot (talk) 04:28, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

You've been arbitrarily changing article names of games w/ editsum justification "like the rest in the set", did it ever occur to you that the inventor of the game has his own preference for game name presentation outside of the sludge that Wikipedia produces over time? In addition you've been changing status of games articles to "stub" when (if you read definition of stub, have you? WP:CLASSES) the articles are nothing close to stub. Also I'm wondering what your qualifications are re these games articles whereby you are judging how "complete" they are. (Are you a games player? Do you know anything about the games whose articles you're modifying?) --IHTS (talk) 08:48, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

In April you moved my Draft:Akwasi_Evans article to the draft namespace; It is still waiting review. There will be a community tribute to Akwasi Evans on Sunday June 23rd, and I'd really like to have the page go public before the event. (Local newspaper's published ad for his tribute: [2].)

Can you help me abandon the draft version? Or is there another solution? I'd like to move forward and create the page publicly this week. Your help is much appreciated! Mbcoats (talk) 22:31, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

@Mbcoats: I will help with pleasure; do we have a couple of good sources about him apart from the obits? Sam Sailor 19:14, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

The best source is "As East Austin Changes, The Villager Perseveres as a Voice for African-Americans", the 2nd to last reference. I have a half dozen news items reporting Evan's involvement in civic and political activity, most notably co-organizing a candidate forum for Democratic gubernatorial candidates in 2001. Mbcoats (talk) 23:02, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

@Mbcoats: The reference Harrison, Destinee (13 May 2016). "As East Austin Changes, The Villager Perseveres as a Voice for African-Americans". Reporting Texas. Retrieved 16 June 2019. was in fact added by me, and sorry for accidentally using DMY date format rather than MDY format which is more correct when the article is about an American. And he is only mentioned in passing. Could you find one or two articles from before his death that features him? Sam Sailor 18:22, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

It'll take more digging to locate articles that feature Evans. His paper served the minority community as does his competitor, The Villager. Both are largely ignored by the mainstream. Unfortunately neither the NOKOA Observer or The Villager make back issues available online.Mbcoats (talk) 03:14, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

FYI - The Draft:Akwasi_Evans has been heavily reworked and new references preceding subject's death have been added. Your feedback is appreciated. Mbcoats (talk) 23:22, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

@Mbcoats: Thank you for the update. At this point I suggest we await a review by another editor. Sam Sailor 06:24, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Sam, now that 4 more discussions have closed, and 9 more articles moved to lowercase XXX campaign based primarily on n-grams evidence of usage in light policy and guidelines, are you willing agree that these are not controversial? There are a few that you moved back to caps after they were moved as uncontroversial, that should be fixed next:

• Philippines Campaign (1941–1942)
• Philippines Campaign (1944–1945)
• Guadalcanal Campaign

Are you OK with these as technicals now (i.e. can you just revert your move-backs, which were contrary to the obvious consensus; or should I relist at RMTR?), or do you want the same issue discussed a few more times? There are still a few more after that, which I will likely also propose as technicals after checking them carefully. Dicklyon (talk) 15:23, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

I guess you're out sailing; I'll try the RMTR route. Dicklyon (talk) 05:24, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

 

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Hello Sam Sailor,

Backlog

Instead of reaching a magic 300 as it once did last year, the backlog approaching 6,000 is still far too high. An effort is also needed to ensure that older unsuitable older pages at the back of the queue do not get automatically indexed for Google.

Coordinator

A proposal is taking place here to confirm a nominated user as Coordinator of NPR.

This month's refresher course

Why I Hate Speedy Deleters, a 2008 essay by long since retired Ballonman, is still as valid today. Those of us who patrol large numbers of new pages can be forgiven for making the occasional mistake while others can learn from their 'beginner' errors. Worth reading.

Deletion tags

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Paid editing

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Subject-specific notability guidelines' (SNG). Alternatives to deletion

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This newsletter comes a little earlier than usual because the backlog is rising again and the holidays are coming very soon.

Getting the queue to 0

There are now 805 holders of the New Page Reviewer flag! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog but it's still roughly less than 10% doing 90% of the work. Now it's time for action.
Exactly one year ago there were 'only' 3,650 unreviewed articles, now we will soon be approaching 7,000 despite the growing number of requests for the NPR user right. If each reviewer soon does only 2 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by every reviewer doing only 1 review every 2 days - that's only a few minutes work on the bus on the way to the office or to class! Let's get this over and done with in time to relax for the holidays.
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Our next newsletter will announce the winners of some really cool awards.

Coordinator

Admin Barkeep49 has been officially invested as NPP/NPR coordinator by a unanimous consensus of the community. This is a complex role and he will need all the help he can get from other experienced reviewers.

This month's refresher course

Paid editing is still causing headaches for even our most experienced reviewers: This official Wikipedia article will be an eye-opener to anyone who joined Wikipedia or obtained the NPR right since 2015. See The Hallmarks to know exactly what to look for and take time to examine all the sources.

Tools

• It is now possible to select new pages by date range. This was requested by reviewers who want to patrol from the middle of the list.
• It is now also possible for accredited reviewers to put any article back into the New Pages Feed for re-review. The link is under 'Tools' in the side bar.

Reviewer Feedback

Would you like feedback on your reviews? Are you an experienced reviewer who can give feedback to other reviewers? If so there are two new feedback pilot programs. New Reviewer mentorship will match newer reviewers with an experienced reviewer with a new reviewer. The other program will be an occasional peer review cohort for moderate or experienced reviewers to give feedback to each other. The first cohort will launch November 13.

Second set of eyes

• Not only are New Page Reviewers the guardians of quality of new articles, they are also in a position to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged for deletion and maintenance and that new authors are not being bitten. This is an important feature of your work, especially while some routine tagging for deletion can still be carried out by non NPR holders and inexperienced users. Read about it at the Monitoring the system section in the tutorial. If you come across such editors doing good work, don't hesitate to encourage them to apply for NPR.
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Arbitration Committee

The annual ArbCom election will be coming up soon. All eligible users will be invited to vote. While not directly concerned with NPR, Arbcom cases often lead back to notability and deletion issues and/or actions by holders of advanced user rights.

Community Wish list

There is to be no wish list for WMF encyclopedias this year. We thank Community Tech for their hard work addressing our long list of requirements which somewhat overwhelmed them last year, and we look forward to a successful completion.

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