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September 23, 2022Good article nomineeListed
November 24, 2022Good topic candidatePromoted
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on October 28, 2022.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the remix of Kanye West's "Use This Gospel" was added to DJ Khaled's God Did at the last minute?
Current status: Good article

GA Review

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Latest comment: 2 years ago36 comments2 people in discussion
Passed. NØ 10:14, 23 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

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Reviewer: MaranoFan (talk · contribs) 17:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hello once again! Given all the heavy lifting you do to clear up the backlog it is long overdue I review one of yours. Soon.--NØ 17:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Lead and infobox

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  • The lead section looks too long. Per MOS:LEADLENGTH, two or maximum three paragraphs are suggested given the prose size of 21.9k characters.
  • "after West had requested for a collaboration" → "after West requested a collaboration"
  • "The song received generally positive reviews from music critics, who mostly appreciated the presence of Clipse" → "The song received generally positive reviews from music critics, who mostly appreciated Clipse's presence"
  • "They often focused on the duo's reunion, while certain critics commended Kenny G's performance" → "They often focused on the duo's reunion, while a few commended Kenny G's performance"
  • ""Use This Gospel" debuted at number 37 on the US Billboard Hot 100, leading to Kenny G having scored a top 40 hit every decade since the 1980s" → ""Use This Gospel" debuted at number 37 on the US Billboard Hot 100, making Kenny G the fifth artist to achieve a top 40 hit every decade since the 1980s", as this is an impressive, lead-worthy achievement!
  • "In the United States, the song has been certified gold by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA)" → "In the United States, the song was certified gold by the Recording Industry Association of America", without the abbreviation
  • "West, Clipse, Kenny G, and the Sunday Service Choir performed it live at The Forum in October 2019, surrounded by a meadow setting" → "West, Clipse, Kenny G, and the Sunday Service Choir performed it live in a meadow at The Forum in October 2019"
  •   Done for the above
  • "In the album's accompanying film of the same name, Kanye partially hums the song as a lullaby to Psalm West" - What's meant by "partially hums", did he hum something else as well?
  • "In place of Clipse's appearance on the original track, Eminem raps about using faith to battle his personal demons" → "Replacing Clipse on the original track, Eminem raps about using faith to battle his personal demons"
  • If you do decide to trim something to bring the lead down to three paragraphs, I would suggest the fourth paragraph as it seems the least important

Background

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  • "Once he had heard a number of tracks, Kenny G suggested that his saxophone "would sound really good" on "Use This Gospel"" → "After hearing various tracks, Kenny G suggested that his saxophone "would sound really good" on "Use This Gospel""
  • Avoid using "the saxophonist" as a descriptor per WP:ELEVAR
  • "The saxophonist declared he was highly proud "somebody of Kanye's caliber" that could call a lot of different people believed he "would be a person that he would want in this intimate vibe, serenading his wife" - Is this relevant here given it's not referring to the creation of "Use This Gospel"?
  • "In April 2022, he enthusiastically offered to provide an encore performance to reunite West and Kardashian" - Since the song's release predates this by a year, I'm also not sure about this belonging in the Background section
  • "Clipse's appearance on the track marked the return of the duo" → "Clipse's appearance on the track marked a return of the duo"
  • "A feature from Clipse was requested by West" → "West requested a feature from Clipse"
  • "the entire theme of the album "totally speaks to where my brother is" and elaborated" → "the entire theme of the album "totally speaks to where my brother is", and elaborated"
  • "West remembered not wanting to rap until No Malice persuaded him to for "Use This Gospel"" → "West remembered not wanting to rap until No Malice persuaded him to do it for "Use This Gospel""
  • "and concluding of rapping" → "and concluding"
  • "West had shared the music video for their single "I Can Talk" (2009) to his blog in 2010" → "West had shared the music video for their single "I Can Talk" (2009) on his blog in 2010"

Composition and lyrics

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  • "Musically, "Use This Gospel" is a gospel number, with a maximalist style" - The second comma is probably not necessary
  • "Towards the end, a vibrant saxophone solo from Kenny G" → "Towards the climax, a vibrant saxophone solo from Kenny G"
  • "lasting for around 40 seconds" → "lasting around 40 seconds"
  • "while each member of Clipse contributes a brief verse" → "while both members" as there are only two(?)
  • "In the lyrics of the song, both members of Clipse deliver self-reflection" → "In the lyrics of "Use This Gospel", both members of Clipse deliver self-reflection"

Recording

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  • "In December 2018, West collaborator Timbaland and American record producer Federico Vindver" → "In December 2018, American record producers Timbaland and Federico Vindver"
  • "with Vindver recalling that him and Timbaland were "blown away" when West started "playing tracks for the Yandhi project" → "with Vindver recalling that West "bl[ew them] away" when he started "playing tracks for the Yandhi project"
  • "Timbaland contributed production to Jesus Is King tracks" → ""Timbaland produced the Jesus Is King tracks"
  • "West "went insane" after being played the track" → "West "went insane" after hearing the track"
  • ""Law of Attraction" was ultimately scrapped" - Shouldn't this be "initially scrapped" if it ended up re-recorded?

Release and promotion

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  • "it was originally slated to be released as the album's final track" → "it was originally slated to appear as the album's final track"
  • "who shined their light of authority over the venue and declared the show finished" - It's a bit unclear what the light shining part means, would it be detrimental if this was just "who declared the show finished"?
  • "West responded by pushing the NYPD out of his way, finishing the song as he sang and hummed with the crowd" → "West responded by pushing the NYPD out of his way, and finishing the song as he sang and hummed with the crowd"
  • "backed by the Sunday Service Choir, who were dressed in white robes and led by Jason White" → "backed by the Sunday Service Choir, dressed in white robes and led by Jason White"
  • "Kenny G played his saxophone to open the performance as West watched him, drawing applause from both the group and the audience" - unclear who "the group" is referring to

Critical reception

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  • "Pitchfork's Rawiya Kameir assured the maximalism" → "Pitchfork's Rawiya Kameir believed the maximalism"
  • Not sure "Now" in Now Magazine should be capitalized, as it doesn't seem to be an abbreviation.
  • "the duo's "back-to-back verses" and the beginning features" → "the duo's "back-to-back verses", and the beginning features"
  • "Paste's Steven Edelstone considered if the saxophonist's solo" → "Paste's Steven Edelstone considered if Kenny G's solo"
  • "Some critical assessments were less positive" → "Some reviews were less positive"

Commercial performance

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  • "The debut gave Clipse their fifth track to chart on the Hot 100" → "This gave Clipse their fifth track to chart on the Hot 100"
  • "debuted at the seventh position" → "debuted at number seven"
  • ""Use This Gospel" was awarded a gold certification from the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA)" → "The Recording Industry Association of America awarded a gold certification to "Use This Gospel"", without the abbreviation
  •   Partly done kept the abrevation for context since many know the company as RIAA
  • The information in the last paragraph could be presented more effectively. I would suggest "The song debuted at number 34 on the Canadian Hot 100 in Canada.[57] In Australia, it reached number 36 on the ARIA Singles Chart.[58] "Use This Gospel" peaked at number 24 on the Latvian Singles Chart,[59] and at number 32 on the Icelandic Singles Chart. It further charted within the top 50 in Denmark and Lithuania".
  • Since this section isn't too long, maybe other chart positions like Slovakia, Portugal, Sweden, France could also be included altogether as the last sentence.

Appearances in media

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  • Should this section be retitled to something like "Promotion"? West singing it in his own film feels more like a promotional effort than secondary media using the song.
  • If the part about him performing it "partially" is kept in the lead that should also be the wording used here.
  • Not sure the sentence "On September 18, 2020, Kanye revealed via Twitter that "Use This Gospel" is his daughter North West's favourite song by him." fits in with the current section title either.

Credits and personnel

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  • No issues!

Remix

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  • "Simultaneously with the Twitter post about his daughter" - Replace this with the date he made the announcement instead.
  • "expressing honor in him blessing the song" - This is too informal to be in Wikipedia voice. Maybe "expressing respect towards him for appearing on the song"
  • Is the Tidal tweet relevant?
  • "a year and half prior" → "a year and a half prior"
  • "they were never finished due to the rapper's schedule" → "they were never finished due to the rapper's busy schedule"
  • ""PRODUCED BY DR DRE MY IDOL"" - Change to sentence case to avoid WP:SHOUTING
  • "a fast pace Christian rap verse" → "a fast-paced Christian rap verse"
  • Jesus is well-known enough that it probably doesn't need to be wikilinked

Charts

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  • No issues!

Certifications

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  • No issues!

References

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  • References all seem okay.

Verdict

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Thanks for the swift responses. I kind of disagree with including the abbreviation for the RIAA but that is a matter of personal preference. ✓ Pass!--NØ 10:12, 23 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

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Latest comment: 2 years ago10 comments4 people in discussion
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 13:40, 25 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

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Improved to Good Article status by Kyle Peake (talk). Self-nominated at 16:31, 23 September 2022 (UTC).Reply

  •   Reached GA status within the appropriate time-frame, hook is well sourced. The only issue I have is that the hook is not interesting. They need to be interesting to a broad audience and I can't see how this would interest anyone who doesn't follow Kanye or No Malice. —VersaceSpace 🌃 15:03, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
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