Talk:René Vallon
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René Vallon
- ... that René Vallon (pictured) achieved both the first flight and first flight-related death in China?
- Source: Areddy, James T. (22 February 2011). "China Marks 100 Years of Flight". The Wall Street Journal. Shanghai. Archived from the original on 2 July 2022. Retrieved 6 November 2024.
Created by Crisco 1492 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 703 past nominations.
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC).
- I don't causing a death is an achievement. The first flight is. Kablammo (talk) 00:28, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- It was intended for brevity. How about ALT1 ... that René Vallon (pictured) achieved the first flight in China, but died less than three months later in the country's first aviation accident? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:41, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. Kablammo (talk) 01:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- I wonder if another verb would work, such as: "... that R V is known for both..." ProfGray (talk) 03:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- That could work too. ALT0a ... that René Vallon (pictured) is known for both the first flight and the first flight-related death in China? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 04:04, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT0a could be revised since the wording is rather vague and doesn't make it clear that he was the first flight-related death in China. The hook could be interpreted to mean he was involved in the death without saying he was the fatality. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT0b: ... that René Vallon (pictured) is known for both achieving the first flight and being the first flight-related death in China? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:49, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT0a could be revised since the wording is rather vague and doesn't make it clear that he was the first flight-related death in China. The hook could be interpreted to mean he was involved in the death without saying he was the fatality. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- That could work too. ALT0a ... that René Vallon (pictured) is known for both the first flight and the first flight-related death in China? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 04:04, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- I wonder if another verb would work, such as: "... that R V is known for both..." ProfGray (talk) 03:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. Kablammo (talk) 01:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- It was intended for brevity. How about ALT1 ... that René Vallon (pictured) achieved the first flight in China, but died less than three months later in the country's first aviation accident? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:41, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
With multiple ALT hooks proposed, a reviewer is needed to ensure the article and hooks are approved, and to comment on which ones are the most interesting. Z1720 (talk) 15:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- I will do the review and I will share my opinion about the hooks. ProfGray (talk) 17:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hook idea, without known for: that René Vallon (pictured) achieved China's first flight and was its first flight-related death? -- But I might insert "and, three months later..." to clarify that aspect. ProfGray (talk) 20:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: NPOV and clear. Impressive use of historical sources -- I looked at a few, didn't notice any problems, nor did Earwig. There's an image of the crashed plane, though prob not suitable for DYK. ALT0b is fine and maybe we tweak to make it shorter. ProfGray (talk) 19:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'll do this as an ALT in case the promoter is interested: ALT0c "... that René Vallon (pictured) achieved the first flight and was the first flight-related death in China?" — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:21, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Questions about the article
editDepagniat has the first flight on February 20th, so that's an error?
No name for his wife?
"Intended" for burial but the burial place not known? I see it's not in the infobox.
Hope all you hard work on this and other articles is appreciated! ProfGray (talk) 00:13, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- I tried looking for her name, but only found "Mme. Vallon", and "intended" because the source couldn't specify where. There are likely less than reliable sources like Ancestry, but they wouldn't be useful here. As for the 20th, it does appear to be an error. The 21st is the most widely reported date (1, 2). The Paper, meanwhile, gives the 25th :/ The French press seems to have focused only on his flight over the International/French Settlements, rather than his earlier flights. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:19, 27 November 2024 (UTC)