Talk:Blade (franchise)

Do we have any sources for the Influences part? Also, addressing those points, it is an ancient concept, particulary when it comes to Magneto and the XMen, for two enemies to ally to take down a third, Blade is hardly the first movie where someone breaks in amongst butt-kicking to rescue somebody. Highlandlord 06:53, 27 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

There is no actual proof that the fashion in Blade , influenced the fashion in the Matrix. Who ever made those connotations, obviously is assuming here. Nor is the Bullet Time Sequence in the Matrix, influenced by the Bullet Dodge Sequence in the first Blade Movie. That form of Bullet on the Fly SFX Shot, is more inspired by the Bullet on the Fly seen on John Woo's Full Contact, along with various other HKAMs. The Bullet Time sequence in the Matrix, isn't some full-blown over-exaggerated version of said sequence at all. The Blade version doesn't utilize the same degree or anywhere near it, of technical computer imagery wizadry, as the Matrix does. Someone needs to get their facts straight before they say anything. i know this wikipedia, but come on people. user:celestialphoenixreborn

I got to agree, the Matrix comparison is very unlikely, especially with only a year between them there's no way an effects heavy film like the Matrix would have had the time to take the inspiration. They are also very tenous links as well. I'm taking them out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nightjim (talk • contribs) 17:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

I haven't been paying attention lately but... Blade is Jesus? WTH? Highlandlord 13:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

No, he isn't, but the comparison was apparently made between the two, which I can see. Blade being the one person who could save the human race in the face of the vampire threat. Shadowrun 20:01, 19 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Stop Calling Blade a Horror Movie. It is a Super Hero Movie, just because Vampires are characters doesn't make it a Horror Movie. Blade is a member of the Marvel Universe and doesn't belong with the Horrorverse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.27.27.202 (talk) 18:41, 18 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

Has no one heard the possible reboot? There was a time when David Goyer said that he wouldn't write another vampire movie, but eventually changed his mind when New Line was thinking about rebooting about a year or two ago. He said he would like to write it. According to a article I read, there was a time that Stephen Norrington was going to direct it but dropped out back in January to direct the Lost Patrol. Did no one know about this??? I'm still looking around if their's still any talk of a reboot... I know Snipes is interested in Blade 4, but New Line may have other ideas... Foretboy3000 (talk) 05:18, 2 July 2010 (UTC)Reply

i think they will make some movie soon, if they doesn;t want to loose the rights back to marvel. Gman124 ^talk 16:11, 6 July 2010 (UTC)Reply

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The rename of this page to anything other than Blade (franchise) is a bad move. [Context: the page went through several pointless renames one of which needlessly emphasized New Line Cinema in the article title.]

There are plenty of Marvel and MCU pages and there are plenty of new page names that Blade 2022 can use whenever it actually goes into production. At best any rename is premature, and the multiple renames this page has gone through recently are especially silly and unnecessary. I thought page moves were supposed to be discussed first to avoid these kinds of arguments.

Please move this page back to Blade (franchise) where it belongs. -- 109.76.134.165 (talk) 04:46, 25 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

Exactly, Blade (franchise) even redirects here. El Millo (talk) 03:01, 27 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

 

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Blade (franchise)(version 2). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Regards, SONIC678 18:25, 25 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

Definitely agree, though I wonder why there is even a version 2? Wouldn't it be better to ask the article gets deleted?--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 22:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

In January 2021 User:*Treker deleted a section of the article. I think this should be discussed first. While I can understand the need trim back any excess information about the Marvel reboot of Blade but it is not clear why it was necessary to delete the information about the proposed Stephen Norrington Stephen Dorff spin-off. -- 109.76.141.220 (talk) 15:25, 25 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Again I can understand the desire to trim[1] but it seems too much to not mention the Marvel reboot at all.

I will try and make an edit myself to show what I mean. -- 109.76.141.220 (talk) 00:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Treker wrote "This is not related to the New Line franchise" and I agree the upcoming Marvel film should be addressed separately, so I've moved the {{See also}} link into a separate section, and I've kept just enough text to explain why it is there, and any other information about the Draft:Blade (upcoming film) can go into other articles.[2] I hope that is acceptable, but please discuss if you think it should be done differently. -- 109.76.141.220 (talk) 00:23, 26 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Without any discussion or explanation Treker went and deleted it yet again.[3] I'm not hung on up how we do it but it is necessary that there be some mention of planned MCU Blade film somewhere in this article. By all means present it differently, or explain the right reverted from Newline back to Marvel but please explain and discuss before deleting the MCU future of the character that this franchise made possible. -- 109.79.72.156 (talk) 04:45, 23 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Some over-enthusiastic editors have tried to add more information related to the upcoming MCU version of Blade to this article and I urge restraint. Spoiler: It would be better to keep the MCU blade details separate and not do not put WP:UNDUE emphasis on a voice only cameo of Blade from the end credits of Eternals.[4] If it belongs in this article at all (and I doubt that) it only belongs in the same subsection with the other MCU Blade details, it was wholly inappropriate (WP:UNDUE) to add to the Infobox because of a tiny voice only cameo. It would be better to direct MCU Blade details to the various MCU articles including MCU Blade film. -- 109.76.133.17 (talk) 14:51, 11 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Again this is not the best place for MCU Blade details[5] and they would be better added elsewhere. -- 109.78.198.49 (talk) 12:06, 15 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

See also WP:NFF. (Even if there was a consensus to include more MCU Blade information in this article, nothing significance has happened yet.) -- 109.79.168.197 (talk) 13:45, 16 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

It doesn't work both ways. Ali appeared in Eternals (albeit a voice for now; that is significant). Snipes was in talks with Marvel Studios at a point before Ali contacted them about a reboot, specifically inspired by the original films more-than the comics. Changing Eternals not to be a subheading, but still mentioning the information. 103.84.173.28 (talk) 14:31, 17 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

that is significant IP 103, I strongly disagree with your opinion that a voice only cameo in the end credits of a film is significant, it is trivial at best. I mostly agree with user Trekker about keeping Wesley Snipes Blade separate from MCU Blade but I think his delete was too severe. Claims about Morbius and MCU Blade are either speculation or not properly sourced, but again I don't agree that they should be included here at all and are better left to MCU articles. -- 109.79.178.223 (talk) 00:09, 18 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

A voice only cameo is trivial, and Morbius 2022 and Blade 2023 have not happened yet. -- 109.76.202.230 (talk) 13:26, 18 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

And again without any discussion User:*Treker deleted the Reboot subsection [6] and replaced it with a See also [7]. -- 109.79.178.223 (talk) 11:07, 17 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Why would it have to be discussed, its not relevant and the above comments from other editors agree. Having it in the See also section if the most that is needed.★Trekker (talk) 11:47, 17 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

WP:BRD Trekker made a large delete, you were reverted more than once, it would be helpful if you would WP:DISCUSS and make your reasons unambiguously clear. (Please don't assume that your edits and edit summaries on their own were enough to explain your thoughts fully.) After being reverted more than once you might find that a little discussion is easier than repeating the same edit again and again. The older above comments from IP 109 are also from me and also asking you to discuss your changes (and one other more recent comment from a different user IP 103 who wants to add a whole lot of MCU to the article.)

Trekker If I understand you opinion correctly you seem to think that it would be best to keep this article focussed on Wesley Snipes Blade only and if that is the case I mostly agree, but as I said above I don't think a generic See also section is the best way to do this. I think a short specific section in the article explaining things briefly with prose would be better than a bullet point. (In general I do not like see also sections, they frequently manage to be both uninformative and a dumping ground for barely relevant links, so often so much fail.)

It would not be my preferred option but a disambiguation link ({{For}}) at the top of the page would be better than a see also near the end. My preference is still for a short bit of prose briefly explaining and pointing to other information about MCU Blade. -- 109.79.178.223 (talk) 00:09, 18 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

I've again restored the short version of the Reboot section, because I think it is noteworthy that as late as 2015 Wesley Snipes was still in talks with Marvel hoping to reprise the role. (I added hatnote on top for the MCU Blade article, as I suggested above.) The brief note about the MCU 2019 and Mahershala Ali is intended as just enough information to conclude this chapter of the story, not an opening to add details about the separate unrelated next cinematic iteration of the character. -- 109.76.202.230 (talk) 11:07, 18 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

At most mentions of Sniper's maybe appearing in the MCU can be had in a "cancelled projects section". Everything about Ali's apparences is pointless crud.★Trekker (talk) 08:13, 25 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

I strongly disagreed with the expansive changes made by IP 103 but there was little point edit warring over it so I was willing to give it some time, and see what other opinions might emerge. Editor User:YgorD3 joined in and expressed disapproval of that direction and reverted most of those changes[8] leaving MCU Blade in the table (removing any mention of the Eternals or Morbius). User:*Treker also made further edits and removed MCU blade from the table entirely, bringing things more or less back to where they were before, focused only on Wesley Snipes Blade.

At some point in the future when Draft:Blade (upcoming film) is made into a real article page it might be a good idea to again add a {{For}} disambiguation link at the top of page. -- 109.79.164.114 (talk) 16:27, 25 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yes that might be good.★Trekker (talk) 16:32, 25 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

IP 103 wrote an edit summary suggesting (rather impolitely, WP:NOPA) that we should "return to the talk page"[9] but 103 has failed to return to the talk page. IP 103 has merely asserted that the certain details were "significant" but not provided persuasive reasoning for mixing the New Line Blade and MCU Blade in one franchise article.
User:YgorD3, Trekker, and IP 109 (me) seem to all agree more than we disagree. (As far as I can tell, my minor disagreement with Trekker about the extent of his delete has been adequately resolved. From the start I did not disagree with his trimming back the article.) IP 103 seems to think the edits by YgorD3 (talk · contribs) indicate agreement (even though YgorD3 disagreed with the inclusion of Eternals and Morbius), so further comment from YgorD3 to clarify might be helpful.
IP 103 does not get to keep their recent changes as the WP:STATUSQUO and they should follow their own advice and discuss more. They might consider the WP:RFC process, since they seem to want to keep asking that this article should mix both New Line Blade franchise and MCU Blade. -- 109.76.137.229 (talk) 14:03, 26 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

103 has been making bizare edits on Abraham Whistler article as well, trying to turn it into an article on another subject. I think his actions are clearly disruptive by now.★Trekker (talk) 14:45, 26 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

I prefer to avoid going through the process of trying to get people blocked, and the admins might still give IP 103 the benefit of the doubt. IP 103 seems to have eventually realized that adding Eternals and Morbius was not appropriate, but it shouldn't have taken so long to make so little progress. The edits to Abraham Whistler do seem misguided at best, they weren't properly sourced either, and the page rename was a bizarre decision. Admins would probably lock both of these articles for while if you asked, it seems like the least worst option for now. -- 109.76.137.229 (talk) 16:50, 26 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

I also agree that blocks seem unneeded.★Trekker (talk) 17:06, 26 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

The DVD boxset image is not very good, perhaps someone that understands the details of the Wikipedia image fair use policy could figure out a way to include and reuse the image of Wesley Snipes in character as Blade File:Blade (Wesley Snipes).png already used elsewhere in Wikipedia? -- 109.76.133.17 (talk) 15:00, 11 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

@StarTrekker Following your revert of my edit, moving the MCU film from a subsection of "Cancelled projects" to a new "In development" section: agreed, the reboot is not part of this franchise, but it's also not a "Cancelled project". As it's notable enough to be mentioned in the lead, would you object to it being renamed something like "Marvel Cinematic Universe reboot"? --Yodin^T 17:13, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

The idea of bringing back Snipes as the character is a cancelled idea, which is what the section was originally for. As far as I see it there is no reason to dedicate information in this article to a new film unrelated to the New Line Cinema franchise beyond mentioning that its in the works.★Trekker (talk) 18:58, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

I don't think Snipes contacting Marvel to ask to reprise the role counts as a cancelled project, and having an MCU subsection there is pretty misleading (reading it I assumed that the film had been cancelled). Most articles like this tend to mention reboots, and other related projects, normally in a section at the end of the article. How about either renaming the existing "Marvel Cinematic Universe" section to "Reboot", or, if you only want it to mention that a reboot is in the works, replacing the subsection with simplified paragraph (something along the lines of "Snipes wanted to reprise the role, but when the new Blade film was announced, Mahershala Ali was cast in the lead role", i.e. shifting it from being about the reboot, to being about Snipes' involvement), until the new Blade film is released? --Yodin^T 19:20, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Yes I guess that sounds reasonable.★Trekker (talk) 13:23, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

I kind of want to reframe this whole section as "Legacy" but maybe that's just because of my low confidence in the MCU reboot ever actually happening (and I'd to find a way to mention Wesley Snipe's "Daywalker" cameo in What We Do in the Shadows [10]). -- 109.76.193.132 (talk) 13:58, 21 August 2024 (UTC)Reply