Talk:Oromia

The article about Oromia is a very racist and divisive article intended to spread false and tiwisted information. It is aim is nothing more than to promote separatist propaganda and distroy Ethiopia as a nation. It is a very biased pro-Oromo antiAmhara article. bek —the preceding comment is by 64.229.248.187 - 01:39, 16 December 2004: Please sign your posts!

I think bek did not read or could not read, because I do not see any of the things he is accusing the article for. Could it be he is describing himself, and may be his own supermacist Amhara people? :Joe —the preceding comment is by 151.197.122.120 - 07:57, 2 January 2005: Please sign your posts!

Bek... is talking about some thing that is not the article talking about. But his mind is blinded by the hatrate he devloped in him.

please bek, be open mind, ::Boru —the preceding comment is by 68.211.102.199 - 15:30, 25 February 2006: Please sign your posts!

Bek's comment has been there for quite a while, and is in response to a much earlier version of this article. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:22, 25 February 2006 (UTC)Reply

Well, by now the Article is certainly not biased anymore, as it indeed was before. Much interesting information about Oromo culture was lost however. It would be nice if somebody could add this information again while keeping out the clear bias. Chris —the preceding comment is by 134.146.0.6 - 21:10, 13 January 2005: Please sign your posts!

I have added information about the regional capital, Finfine (which now has its own article in Wikipedia). I know that the selection of Finfine as the capital was controversial, and I knew I could not mention Adama without also mentioning the controversy. I tried to keep NPOV. Gyrofrog 20:39, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

um hello, my name is rosyln and i'm actually an african studies major. i am quite fascinated with east africa particularly ethiopia. i was reading your page and it came to my attention that you spelled the name of your region with the english letters. am i mistaken? and if i'm not, how long has it been since the english language use? (it was my understanding that one of the beautiful things about your country is that it has its own dialect and so numerous unlike anywhere else in the world having sustained these alphabets for such a long time so it just so happen to have caught me off guard)

sincerely —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.59.165.44 (talk • contribs) 01:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understood your question correctly. When you say "English letters," are you referring to the Latin alphabet? The Oromo language has used a modified Roman alphabet since 1991. See Oromo language for more information. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 04:46, 6 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

I'm pretty sure that's what she means. It has to do with politics, Rosyln (Rosalyn?). The main Oromo group in 1991 was the OLF, who felt oppressed by Semitic-speaking Ethiopians for a variety of reasons (too long to go into here) and adopted a modified Latin alphabet (called Qubee) instead of the Ge'ez (used earlier) due to these political issues, and putatively also due to being better adapted (though there are both benefits and drawbacks imparted by each alphabet). — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 05:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

oh ok, i think i understand. so, this particular group changed the traditional letters to the Latin alphabet in order to riot against other Ethiopians (or i guess a particular ethiopian group)?

The capital city of Oromia is Finfinne (Addis Ababa). The decision to move the city to Adama was against the constitution and purely a political decision. No one except the Oromo people has the right over thier land. The Amara elite fear the very name of Oromia and Oromo. Now the city in another political decision moved back to Finfinne. Those who deny themsels the truth die from its hunger.

Bontu Oromia —the preceding comment is by 172.162.147.208 - 23:02, 23 June 2005: Please sign your posts!

I think the article was fairly clear regarding the Adama controversy (I wrote that, hoping to adhere to a neutral POV). Anyway, thanks for that update, I had not read anything about the capital moving again. I just found three articles from Walta Information Center. [1] [2] [3] I guess this didn't make the international news, what with the recent post-election events. Normally, one would have expected this sort of news to turn up on allafrica.com. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 04:54, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Comparing information on the Oromia Government website & from the Worldstatesmen webpage, I find that the names of the most recent Presidents differ:

So which forms of these names should we follow in this article? -- llywrch 22:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)Reply

Obbo is basically 'mister', so it shouldn't be there. The Oromo orthography for the last name is Gammada. Not everybody spells their name according to the orthography though. Abbadula might be an Oromo version of "Abdul", but I'm not sure how it's pronounced (or spelled). Don't know about the others. — MikeG (talk) 05:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

Mike's pretty much got it, I think. "Abdul" is not an Arabic name, so I don't think that's it (Abdul only shows up as part of a name like "`Abdul Qadir," from "`Abdu al-Qadir," with the "a" in al- being an "elliding alif"). I'm pretty sure that it's "Abba Dula" but one word, with "Abba" being related to "Obbo," and the word for "father." As for Gemmeda, Gemeda, English transliteration for Qubee-written (modified Latin alphabet) Oromo names is to use "e" for "a" and "a" for "aa" in the same way that first order vowels in Amharic are phonetically written with "e" in English, but fourth order vowels are "a," descending from short "a" and long "aa" respectively, which have been semi-preserved in Afaan Oromo, IIRC (o vs. oo and e vs. ee have definitely been preserved, though). Clarifying the others would be hard, but I'd go with the oromiagov.org spellings for those. Their spelling is definitely more like the Qubee spelling. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 05:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

Update: The current president's name is as such in Ge'ez: ክቡር አባ ዱላ ገመዳ Kibūr 'Ab(b)ā Dūlā Gem(m)edā. Kibur = "Honorable." I.e. "The Honorable Abba Dula Gemmeda." The status of the "a" in Abba is probably lengthened, meaning in Qubee it is spelled Abbaa, but I'm not entirely certain. Dula in Qubee is also probably Duulaa, but I can't confirm that. The use of the first order for "ge" and "me," confirm that the Qubee spelling would be Gammadaa (are you sure it's Gammada with a single "a" at the end, Mike?). It's here in this Government video Google video link (Go to 1:22). — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 06:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)Reply

As Oromia constitution states, Addis Ababa is its capital city and Harari region is its administrative center for East Hararghe Zone. I think we need to add this when saying "Addis Ababa as an enclave surrounded by Shewa in its center and the Harari Region as an enclave surrounded by East Hararghe in its east." If there is no oppose, I would try to add next week. 196.189.89.245 (talk) 11:52, 21 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

I made a number of changes to the history section, which was in a very bad shape, with lots of editorialising language, bad English, poorly formatted sources, and events placed haphazardly out of chronological sequence. Doubtlessly some of the Oromo firebrands editing this page wish to reinsert some of the more excitable POV language previously found in that paragraph. I invite you to not revert the changes in one swell foop, but to challenge them individually, as I have given careful edit summaries to each of the edits. I trust that on the whole you'll agree that these edits are an improvement to what was there before. Please challenge these edits based on Wikipedia policies, and not on your strong feelings which may dictate that something else ought to be standing there. This page is not served well if it reads like an OLF pamphlet. LandLing 19:45, 17 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

MfactDr just introduced a statement plus source relating to an incident in 1985 into the section dealing with incidents before 1940. This is the kind of edits I was just cleaning up - placing undue minor grievances which add nothing to what's already there, and placing them out of chronological sequence into a history section. This is an encyclopedia page, and not an unstructured repository for any kind of incident one can find on the www to show that the Oromo are the most suppressed people in existence. I give the editor some time to remove this edit themselves, before I do so. LandLing 10:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

LandLing why you removed repeatedly as you put verification needed in front of the content here[24] and when I added the source you removed again[25]. as evident here why you trying to distort the content to the way you think right here[26] as oppose to the source. I am not agree the way you did at allMfactDr (talk) 15:23, 19 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

I explained all this in the edit summaries. I tagged the source because it is quite obviously junk science, meaning that it is published after a non-existent peer-review process in a predatory journal, which usually is not accepted as a reliable source on Wikipedia. You added further sources, two of which were opinion pieces, but the third was really good. So I left the content, as it was now supported by a good reliable source, and removed the other three embarrassing sources.

I know you rarely agree with anything I do, but I can assure you, I don't do it to distort content, but to ensure that the rules of Wikipedia are followed even on pages that invite a lot of POV editing. This is also the explanation for the other edit you complained about - in order to understand what I did, it is important for you to read the policies I quoted in my edit summaries. In short: even well sourced information may need to be deleted if it just doesn't belong where it is placed. As an extreme example, if I write an article about Angela Merkel and fill up her biography section with well-sourced information about each coffee-visit she made as a pastor's daughter in her youth, that would just be too much. But this is similar to what you are doing on many pages, writing about countless small incidents that are totally out of proportion to the subject of the page, because you just love piling up things that make Oromos look great or Amharas look bad, regardless of the structure of the article. This violates Wikipedia's WP:UNDUE policy and therefore needs to be reverted as often as you do it. But in this instance, I didn't delete it, but looked for the useful information that was actually included in that source, and which fit the structure of the article. The information was not distorted, but cleaned from undue POV baggage. LandLing 15:58, 19 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

@LandLing, You are deliberately causing another editor to become irritated or annoyed by calling “Oromo firebrands” editing this page and calling again reinsert some of the more excitable POV language without evidence. However, you no right to label, re-brand editor and attack editor.MfactDr (talk) 08:06, 20 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

I don't recall that I mentioned you specifically when I said this. I'm sorry that this irritates you. LandLing 08:12, 20 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

LandLing, Why don’t you add inhabitant before Oromo in Finfinnee? As you claimed living Addis Ababa so want to deny Finfinnee not belong to Oromo? so want to degrade Oromo and conceal Amhara crime, right? you want to prevent disclosure information anything about Oromo by concealing and deleting part or whole the content. So, your aim is to reject carnages in the Oromia by the derg? This historical fact and atrocities in Oromia region is incontestable.MfactDr (talk) 08:19, 20 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

I am going to use all caps for this.....THE CAPITAL CITY FOR ORMIA REGION IS NOT ADDIS ABABA IT IS ADAMA. ADDIS ABEBA AKA SHEGER IS A CAPITAL CITY OF ETHIOPIA AND A HOME FOR AFRICAN UNION HEAD QUARTER.07:17, 6 March 2021 (UTC)2601:601:A001:1F50:E9F2:5A9:19F8:87DB (talk)

The Oromo and regional state of Oromia refers to it as "Finfinne". Therefore it is just to call it that first since this is the Oromia page. Leyncho (talk) 02:22, 8 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Leyncho: This is not good place to make WP:SOAP and original research. You can leave away from this project if you have hatred against certain ethnic group or ethnocentric emotion. This page is not for your interest, it is for Wikipedia which is global encyclopedia used by any world users at any time. The Supermind (talk) 09:44, 21 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

If the name is dependent on sources, we will assert our claims whether Addis Ababa and Finfinne are parallel synonymous. In Quartz Africa it states "...the federal capital, which they call Finfinne, belongs to Oromia." That's claim of Oromo people. You have no right to remove my source and I will continue to find good type of source and courageously add them. The Supermind (talk) 13:17, 20 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

@MfactDr: To be honest, I will compare these sources and how to use them:

1. [27]. It is doesn't reflect to worldwide trend and is primary source.

2. Outside the Oromian context, the Encyclopedia Britannica doesn't mention Finfinne, instead saying "the capital is Addis Ababa". You know Encyclopedia Britannica is the best encyclopedia after Wikipedia that is fully written by expert and reflect worldwide trend.

3. Bold Tuesday, the American website, refers to Addis Ababa. The main concept is when you're outside Oromia, people in the world recognize Ethiopia's capital Addis Ababa. Otherwise I have a right to say Sheger in the article, should I? So, you basically distinguish two sources, primary sources and secondary sources. Primary sources is original to the subject, which is attributed by the subject while secondary is a summary of how the primary source is described by another person. Biography vs Autobiography. That's set. The first Oromian source is primary and if we permit primary sources entirely to Wikipedia, we also permit conflict of interest that is forbidden in this project. So in this case, secondary sources are highly required to the subject and the article itself is made up of primary source from Oromo related websites, journals, and books, while discarding other secondarily published source that is independent to Oromo subject. For Finfinne, we should use as "quote" or (parentheses) to specify who call the name Finfinne to Addis Ababa. The Supermind (talk) 13:42, 21 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

The article does not rely to secondary sources and the neutrality is apparently disputed. For instance [28] and [29]. The Supermind (talk) 10:11, 21 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

@The Supermind, Can you point out which section is original research? so that we can find reliable sources other wise we can remove any thing not belongs to here. Please do not put some thing like this[30] its just not makes sense and its reflect your opinion. because if you find problem of article just put forward on here so we can discuss.MfactDr (talk) 11:44, 21 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

@MfactDr: please you're siding with Oromo viewpoint, not the article. Most of references made Oromian point of view. Look at [31]. This is definitely original primary site, not source, because there is no explicit information inside just there is address and telephone or fax number. Such source should be removed from Wikipedia because of trivial, not addressing Federal court confirming Addis Ababa as Finfinne. MfactDr you might be reluctantly insisted to discuss that doesn't expect from Wikipedians. If you're true Wikipedian, please inspect the article references cautiously. The Supermind (talk) 12:58, 21 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

@The Supermind, So you are saying Oromia supreme court is not reliable? you still want remove finfinne from Oromia State is that right? I have already mention this its from official Government not personal website. original research means in the wikipedia as facts, allegations, and ideas— that is not reliable published sources exist. It also implies Anything that someone make analysis or synthesis of published material that not stated by the sources. In this case “Finfinne” is not original research.

As mentioned before The Oromia government supreme court used Finfinne instead of Addis Ababa, here Oromia supreme court which is found in the source. This means that the Finfinne is officially used by the Government of Oromia state even by the Federal Government here The Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia. and Again here by by Oromia state parliament indicated their Adress at the bottom of website, and Even in President office News Used Finfinne instead of Addis ababa.

If your complaint is on the source, please find other reliable source so that we can compare and add it . other wise just you are not happy with source you would like to add your opinion not acceptable. in other words According Wikipedia rule the Facts precede opinions MfactDr (talk) 23:31, 21 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

@MfactDr: Hahaha! Are you saying this source is reliable? That site obviously created by yourself recently. Look at the margin interface. It says "we are created recently" by website spoofing. This is not governmental website because of poor incomplete html syntax– is self-evident for OR. Please don't show me primary sources that is only dependent on Oromo related subjects such as [32] and [33]. Add secondary sources like international outlets, BBC, Al Jazeeria, CNN, and university journals. You're constituently presenting Oromo-related sources such as the latter two links above, written entirely in Oromo language and I didn't understand even if when I use translation software. The Supermind (talk) 06:38, 22 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

@The Supermind, You are misreading my statement I didn't ask you to read the txt written in oromo language in that website rather to show you its Government website.if your scroll down at the bottom on that website here[34] you find their Adress mentioned clear. You are claiming False as I created this website . Are you having difficulty to differentiate from Government website and personal website. Actually yes its reliable source that archived Government website. Let me proof this The archived Ethiopian Government website you claimed created by me and nNewly designed Ethiopia Government portal website have same contents. I can not stress more than this unless you are trying to Gaming the system. from this Please Do not distort or accentuate over the other by putting unnecessary syntax as you did here[35]. If you are looking for recent federal government website source I will add to the source. your complained settled!MfactDr (talk) 13:09, 22 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

@MfactDr: Still you're not showing secondary sources of Federal government declaration Addis Ababa as Finfinne. This one is not reliable source, and irrelevant to our subject. It contains unrelated topic involving excessive address and the language can't be translated to English. The earlier site is obviously website spoofing, a content masquerading that is used for deception to official website. So, it is pretending like official website of Ethiopian government, which is strictly discouraged, or even removable from Wikipedia. Please note WP:NOTWEBHOST, even if you're supportive to this content creator. This one is primary source that is still dependent to Oromia–meaning the website is owned by Oromian. Please leave the Oromia related website and find international outlets that serve as reliable secondary sources as I mentioned above while avoiding sites that are completely written by Oromo experts and historians, rather find international English source outside the country. I'm doing with WP: DISCUSSCONSENSUS, not for pushing your idea. The Supermind (talk) 14:00, 22 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

In order to approach dispute resolution, I've tagged {{review}} for scrutinize the biased article. The Supermind (talk) 14:15, 22 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

@The Supermind: I have no idea if [36] is an official government website and even if it is I don't think it's a good source anyway. But it's silly to suggest "That site obviously created by yourself recently. Look at the margin interface. It says "we are created recently" by website spoofing.". That's an Internet Archive 2008 archive of a website. Now in 2021 it cannot be consider recent. And the likelihood MfactD created that website in 2008 seems incredibly low. Please take care with what you say as false accusations of that sort can be seen as a personal attack and in any case makes it very hard to have a reasonable discussion. Nil Einne (talk) 22:31, 23 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Nil Einne and MfactDr: I apologized for my neglect action for counting [37] (not [38]) as original source and I seriously offended MfactDr by claiming them "content creator". MfactDr does removed vital source [39], as well as Quartz Africa – that is wrong. Finally I acknowledged that there is an embassy sources (which MfactDr forget to present). Regarding WP:WikiProject Ethiopia, I will open discussion soon involving overseeing vandalism and systemic bias in Ethiopia related subjects and let's cooperate with it. Thanks! The Supermind (talk) 15:00, 24 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

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I would like to add Sheger in both the lead and infobox section. I've provided three sources: [40] [41] and [42]. The Supermind (talk) 15:50, 23 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE and MOS:INTRO, this information should primarily appear in one of the sections that follow the lede.

• MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE: an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored
• MOS:INTRO : Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article.

All too often, edit warring about lede and infobox (like the one that has led to the full lock of this article) ignores these basic principles of article building. Sheger isn't mentioned anywhere in the article. So what do you propose as addition to the main article text (which then could be added in condensed form to lede and infobox after considering due weight)?

Note that Addis Ababa has the same flaw. Sheger appears in the lede, but judging from the rest of the text, an uninitiated reader gets the impression that Sheger is a park or a public transport bus service. –Austronesier (talk) 16:22, 23 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Austronesier: I want to add after "The capital city of the State of Oromia is Addis Ababa, also known as Finfinne or Sheger" because Finfinne and Sheger are both other name for Addis Ababa. Although involving intensive edit war with MfactDr, I assumed good faith to this editor that I have right to edit Oromia and adding reliable sources without MfactDr privilege to decline or remove my new sources. See Talk:Oromia § Finifinne or Addis Ababa. He also repeated twice at the infobox and the lede with same source to the lede. The Supermind (talk) 17:09, 23 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Again, where else do you want this information added? Apart from the fact that the onus is on you to show that Sheger is as notable for a mention here as Finfinne is (as supported by the Quartz article), the name Finfinne is mentioned further down in the article (although admittedly, we should be more explicit about its significance as a symbol of ethno-nationalism). This is a standard requirement for adding information to lede and infobox. –Austronesier (talk) 17:27, 23 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Austronesier: To the lede section. The Supermind (talk) 17:42, 23 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

  Not done as this page is no longer protected, administrator access is not required. The page may be edited directly, as appropriate. — xaosflux ^Talk 14:37, 30 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

@The Supermind: Read well again: ...as appropriate. Forcing your way through without consensus is not appropriate. –Austronesier (talk) 07:35, 31 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

@MfactDr: I told you in the talk page that I have the right to add source and the request permit me to manually add Sheger. Please don't make trouble with me I've no time to argue such silly things. As you do to warn removing source, I do warn you so. The Supermind (talk) 06:45, 31 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Three sources indicate Sheger is a name alongside Finfinne. The Supermind (talk) 06:54, 31 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

@The Supermind: Stop edit warring about this. You have no right to add the text in this way if there is no consensus. First of all, stop editing stuff just to the lede without any context. Then, you have to explain here in the talk page the significance and prevalence of the term. E.g. one source says that it is a nickname, so it should be flagged as such. This is quite different from a name that is strongly promoted by an official faction, such as Finfinne. Use of the latter still bears a factionalist load, but the name is notable and mentioning it here – especially since this is an article about Oromia – is obviously due. The onus is on you that the latter also the case for Sheger. –Austronesier (talk) 07:33, 31 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Austronesier: Now I fixed the undue weight and clearly explained in the article. Thanks! The Supermind (talk) 07:36, 31 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

No, please explain and get consensus here, why a variant name is due for mention in the lede. –Austronesier (talk) 07:39, 31 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

@El C: Once unlocked, it immediately continues. Obviously, they haven't understood that the purpose of a full lock is to get consensus, and not just an exercise in patience by postponing the battle. @MfactDr: This also holds for you. You have been completely silent during the full protection period, and now you go on with knee jerk reverts without any discussion. –Austronesier (talk) 07:49, 31 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Austronesier: The three sources and even the lede starts with also known as, which means forcing to enlist the names. If Finfinne is official name, it must be written as officially called or in bold, and as you see in the infobox, what does mean Addis Ababa (Finfinne) in one hyperlink? What do we call it, Addis Ababa or Finfinne? If so, we must change all Addis Ababa related article with such writing (Finfinne). There is also undue weight in the infobox Austronesier. The Supermind (talk) 07:51, 31 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

No, "also known as" does not imply a full list. Due weight is relevant. And no bolding required, since this is the article about Oromia, so only altnames of Oromia itself can appear bolded here. Of course "Addis Ababa (Finfinne)" needs one hyperlink, since it is the same city, after all.

There is no single truth here, and different factions prefer different official names. And since WP:CONTEXTMATTERS, we don't have to change everything everywhere. [[Addis Ababa|Addis Ababa (Finfinne)]] makes good sense here (since Oromia authorities prefer and promote the name Finfinne), but not in the infobox of Ethiopia.

What we still need, however, is more explicit and well-sourced context about the usage of Finfinne. The Quartz source is good as a secondary source, but I am still looking for other sources which explicitly go into the naming controversy. –Austronesier (talk) 08:09, 31 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

I concur. Well summarised ! --03:32, 11 September 2021 (UTC) BushelCandle

@Austronesier: I'm sorry but you're saying in their will and according to them, not the worldwide trend. You are still saying this page must be edited in accordance with Oromia government only and it meets with WP:COI. If it is, change also known as to officially called as you say Finfinne is official name. But also known as contradicts retaining Finifinne itself and forcing to add other names. The Supermind (talk) 08:25, 31 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Who among the editors actively editing this article and its talk page has a WP:COI? WP:COI applies to WP editors, not to sources. Sources can be WP:BIASED.

And no, I don't say that this page must be edited in accordance with Oromia government. Neither do I say that Finfinne is official name. As in the previous discussion, I have to repeat myself to avoid further misreadings: there is no single truth here, and different factions prefer different official names. "Addis Ababa" is the WP:COMMONNAME in English-language sources, and also the official name as used by the central government. "Finfinne" is the Oromo name for the same thing and used as an official by state government of Oromia. As such, it has appeared in English-language publications, including the Quartz article which you yourself have brought up and which literally says in the caption of the top image "Addis Ababa aka Finfinne". I argue that "finfinne" is significant and relevant, and thus due for mention in the lede and infobox, especially in the context of this article. –Austronesier (talk) 09:20, 31 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Add: I have made some adjustments[43] so readers get a bit of background about the name Finfinne. –Austronesier (talk) 09:38, 31 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

AustronesierThanks for quick response. Regard to Oromia page it's me who requested Admin to protect the page. After supermind refused to reach consensus. keep adding some irrelevant contents. The Supermind is so much Disrespectful and attack personally here [44] and other editor told supermind not to accuse falsely here[45] after first accuse me creating sources that have NO conclusive proof of my involvement with the website coding[46]. that why I tagged you to resolve issue. Thanks for settling the issue. MfactDr (talk) 10:07, 31 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

@MfactDr: That's past. I apologized for mistakenly use offensive word that you didn't understand in wise way. There is no more accusation here. Don't waste time here MfactDr. The Supermind (talk) 11:01, 31 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Austronesier: I got your idea and I don't want to touch the lede but I added Sheger at History section. Thanks! The Supermind (talk) 11:25, 31 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

This article is written in British English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, travelled, centre, defence, artefact, analyse) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus.

Just because this article consistently uses non-US date formats says nothing about the flavour of English spelling it should consistently use.

However, this article was started on 4 March 2004 and the first substantial edit that introduced a varietal English spelling on 12 December 2004 used the non-US English flavour of labour in the sentence "Those who remained on the land were reduced to the status of gabbar (a peasant from whom labour and produce is exacted and is a crude form of serfdom)." (In US English, the spelling is usually "labor", without a "u". In all other main varieties of English, it's "labour". Because the 57,044 bytes added by the IP editor were wrongfully suspected of being a copyright violation, their version was immediately reverted.)

Since this article is not on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation,
(the Commonwealth military occupation after they booted out the Italians was very ephemeral)
we should now consistently use the variety found in the first post-stub revision that introduced an identifiable variety.

Consequently, I shall now place the appropriate Varieties of English template on this page. -- BushelCandle 08:25, 10 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

MOS:TIES might apply insofar as English is de facto one of the official languages of Ethiopia (e.g., all federal laws are published in Amharic and English). I have no idea whether official Ethiopian communications employ one standard with any consistency (the official English version of the Constitution uses BE, many current press releases follow AE), but if there is a clear preference for a certain standard over all others in modern Ethiopia, this should IMO trigger WP:TIES. –Austronesier (talk) 08:57, 10 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

I don't think MOS:TIES applies because, although English is indeed de facto one of the official languages of Ethiopia (with all some federal laws published both in Amharic and British English), official Ethiopian federal government communications do not employ one variety with any consistency. (I agree that the official English version of the current federal republic's constitution seems to use British English, but many current press releases use Microsoft's US spell checker.) -- BushelCandle 09:43, 10 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

My comment really hinges on the "if", so if you don't see much consistency there, then of course the WP:RETAIN-rules apply. In many countries which increasingly make use of English in public discourse without traditionally (or rather, enforcedly) having used English as official language, you will find the same inconsistency. –Austronesier (talk) 10:01, 10 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

You're not wrong !

Is this the version of the constitution you looked at (using "colour" and "labour") ? {This version is rather confused and uses "colour" and "labour" but also "center" !}

PS: Abject apologies about inadvertently excising your comment - there was an edit conflict and I stupidly assumed I had copy-pasted your comment from another article's talk page. Sorry ! -- BushelCandle 10:08, 10 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

No harm done! I've have blanked WP:RSN three days ago, so, yeah, things happen :)

I looked up this version of the constitution which has "labour" and "centre". –Austronesier (talk) 11:40, 10 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

I've just spent a very tedious and unfruitful few hours wading through the 1660 pages (plus foreword) of the pdf file "Population and Housing Census 1994 – Oromiay Region" that I downloaded from https://www.statsethiopia.gov.et/census-1994/.

Pages 184 to 217 provide individual breakdowns for each wereda of the "Five major ethnic groups and" (other) "ethnic groups with population size of 500 and over of weredas" but nowhere in that report do I find ethnic breakdowns totalled for the region as a whole.

Now, of course, I could spend a few happy days totalling up the individual figures and doing the calculations but I remain extremely dubious about whether the table currently in our article (and exhibited above in its current state as at the timestamp on this comment) is a complete work of fiction, or "original research" - especially as it is currently both unsourced and subject to incessant edit-warring. What do other editors think? -- BushelCandle 06:08, 11 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

@BushelCandle: At least for 2007, we have data for the complete region, although the Oromia report cited in the text and this version of the national report minimally differ. In any case, to little surprise (at least for me), the figures (Oromo: 87,8%; Amhara: 7,2%) do not match the ones in the table. So I have a priori little trust in the 1994 figures (still downloading the 1994 pdf's). If the only way to obtain data for the region level is tedious arithmetic from a print source, because no secondary RS has done the job for us, I suggest to throw out the 1994 figures entirely. –Austronesier (talk) 14:29, 14 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

PS: found it! The data is in the file "Population-and-Housing-Census-1994-Oromiay-Region-Analytical-Report.pdf", p 37. Oromo: 85,0%; Amhara: 9,1%... –Austronesier (talk) 19:04, 14 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

Well done, Austronesier!

I'll leave it up to you to make the appropriate changes - presumably either to correct the figures and add the appropriate citations to the table, or delete it as too tempting a target for vandals and PoV-pushers... -- BushelCandle 04:19, 15 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

I will add absolute figures and replace the manipulated/invented percentages later. I think we should keep the table, I'm sportive enough to keep it on my occasional watch. I hope the self-declared defender(s) of Oromo-related facts will do so too in an unbiassed manner. –Austronesier (talk) 12:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thank you!

(Hope springs eternal, eh?) -- BushelCandle 04:46, 16 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

The data about the religious composition of the population is even more absurd (taken from the current version):

The "urban areas"-data from the 1994 census sums up to 133,1%. I will fix this, too. –Austronesier (talk) 09:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for all your hard work in fixing this too, Austronesier ! -- BushelCandle 10:34, 16 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for spotting the issue with all these tables in the first place! Let's permalink this version here Special:Permalink/1044652604 for posterity (I would like to place it inside a colorful box, but I don't know how to do this). Most likely, vandals/POV-pushers (even those that manage to go beyond lead and infobox against their innate limitations) aren't subtle enough to check this kind of detail. wikt:die Hoffnung stirbt zuletzt –Austronesier (talk) 12:27, 16 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

Was this piece written by the OLF? 102.52.52.14 (talk) 17:13, 10 November 2022 (UTC)Reply

At the moment the article is disgusting. In the Ethiosemitic article there are plenty of proof that the Ethiosemitics crossed the Red Sea 3000 years ago, not 1000 years ago.

> as there is still no correct estimate of the history of their settlement in the region. An evidence is given that they are the womb from which most of the eastern Cushitic peoples emerged...

What evidence is given? What does this even mean? This is very poetic language and I think it is unsuitable. There is evidence that the Somalis are an eastern Cushitic people, but I have found absolutely no evidence that the eastern Cushitic peoples are break-away groups from the Oromo.

The source on the Arabian and Jewish settlement of Ethiopia is an Amazon link. Not cool.

> Ethiopians often refer to aboriginal people of Central and Southern Ethiopia as immigrants as they say "Accuse Your Enemy Of What You Are Doing, As You Are Doing It To Create Confusion"

This is very strange. Is this happening in the modern day, 800 years after the arrival? I was so confused that I actually got a copy of this book "Aksum : an African civilisation of late antiquity" from the central library in my city and the source is blatantly false. Page 73 of the book deals with the politics of Aksum and the surrounding polities in the 3rd century CE, a good millennium before anything relevant here. The entire book ends with the fall of Aksum and the rise of the Arab states in the 8th century. It is a wonderful book which has no place in this article. It also does not contain that "Accuse Your Enemy" adage. This seems to be a misquote of Goebbels of all people [47]Goebbels at Nuremberg — 1934 (see the beginning of the second paragraph). I have no idea why it was added. Weirdly, searching for it has it misattributed to everyone from Hitler to Marx.

I do not have the expertise to do so, but I believe that this whole section should be rewritten.

Sycration (talk) 00:57, 28 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

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I've never had to do one of these before but a 2001:8f8 IP (technically multiple IPs but clearly the same person) added an unencyclopedic and dubiously true paragraph to the history section in October, multiple people have tried to remove it and in fact it's the reason this page is protected in the first place but despite this it's still been up for 6 months. Please just remove this section as well as the "and their country Oromia" thing (also added by 8f8). 8f8 creating the paragraph 2600:4041:402:BB00:D5C1:DABD:AF9F:8311 (talk) 03:10, 26 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

  Partly done: the claims have been cn tagged M.Bitton (talk) 18:10, 26 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

Addis Ababa isn’t part of oromia and has never been the capital city of oromia. The capital city of Oromia has always been Adama(Nazret). Finfine is not the name of Addis Ababa, finfine is the name of filwoha (a place found in Addis Ababa). All those informations you wrote are misleading and false please correct them. Thank you196.189.29.187 (talk) 09:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

The capital city of Oromia is Finfinne not Adama. What they jote down here is fake! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebo7069 (talk • contribs) 20:49, 28 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

The capital city of Oromia is not Addis Ababa it is in the constitution of the country why Wikipedia out of law. this can cause life to lose in the country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonnananmoges (talk • contribs) 09:47, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Addis Ababa is a city of federal government not regional. Any one who think and support the above idea, he/she may lack of understanding thw rule and regulation of constitution and implementation of it. Please read and try to understand openly. 196.190.52.192 (talk) 13:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Not for arguing with you but I just recommend you to refer Article 6 of Oromia Regional State constitution amended in 1994 E.C. It clearly states Adama as the capital city of Oromia Regional State.

And I suggest you to read thoroughly what article 49 of FDRE constitution says as you used this article as a reference. Does this article states Addis Ababa as the capital city of Oromia Regional State? 102.218.51.74 (talk) 05:29, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

This article presents several strong neutrality issues. The portrayal of Oromia (as demarcated by the contested Ethiopian constitution) as the homeland of the Oromo people overlooks other ethnic groups in the region. The article omits the facts where Oromos expanded North onto Abyssinian lands that was demarcated as Oromia through the text of the disputed constitution. The article also omits nature of this expansion. It paints a negative picture of Amhara culture without addressing interactions between different ethnic groups in Ethiopia.

Continuing on, the article glorifies the OLF without mentioning the organization's reported role in massacres by the organization or the violence against Amharas in Oromia (e.g. Amnesty International early 90s report). Additionally, discussion of the gruesome massacre of thousands of innocent Amharas in Oromia in just recent years is also critically missing from the article. These recurring ethnicity based massacres against Amharas is playing a major role in the outlook for the country. It fails to provide a nuanced understanding of the conflict between Oromia and the Somali Region, oversimplifying historical and political factors. It also frames the Oromo people as victims of imperialism without contextualizing the historical period. The article lacks context on the targeting of the MTSHA, which was because anti-monarchy and not solely based on ethnicity. On a side note, the article confirms General Tadesse Birru as prominent officer in the Imperial Ethiopian Army, which would beg the question how he reached that status within the system being portrayed as anti-Oromo.

Furthermore, the article inaccurately claims Addis Ababa as the capital of Oromia, misinterpreting the constitution. In addition, the recent (2022) administrative demarcation between Addis Ababa and Oromia should also guide that Addis Ababa is in fact not the capital of Oromia. Moreover, while the voices of Oromos that assert Addis Ababa should be recognized as part of Oromia, the article should state the fact that portion of what is outlined as Oromia by the contested constitution, portion that includes Addis Ababa, should not have been included within the boundaries of Oromia in the first place.

The above are only cursory observations. Frankly, the level of bias and misinformation in this article is alarming. Urgent oversight and close scrutiny of all sections (especially of references) is warranted. Clarkeosb (talk) 21:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)Reply