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Comarques of the Valencian Community

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The lede of Catalan grammar should be, you guess it, only talking about the grammar of the Catalan language. It is not the appropriate place to dive into the intricacies about the relationship between Catalan and Valencian. Your edit describes Valencian as a variety of Catalan, so the definition and the subsequent article can be presumed to describe all Catalan varieties except stated otherwise. Northern Moonlight 02:24, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Northern Moonlight: The lede could mention Catalan is a pluricentric language and it could include a mention to Standard Valencian, which has its own grammar. My editions are justified by the usage of the AVL logo which makes reference to the inclusion of Valencian in the project. Thank you and kind regards, Nuvolet (talk) 03:22, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s pretty common that languages have different varieties that differ slightly in grammar. The lede of English grammar doesn’t need to clarify that it also talks about American English, British English and whatnot. If Valencian has a standalone grammar, start a new article. If it’s a variety of the Catalan language, readers can logically assume an article titled Catalan grammar also covers Valencian.

My editions are justified by the usage of the AVL logo

You are the person who inserted the logo. Northern Moonlight 04:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Northern Moonlight: Oh right, I forgot I inserted it lol. Sorry, it must've been a long time ago. So could you not mention something about Valencian on a different section? That should be enough to avoid creating a new article for Valencian. Thank you. Nuvolet (talk) 06:50, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah that’s fine. Northern Moonlight 06:59, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Northern Moonlight: Thank you :) Nuvolet (talk) 07:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your contributions to Southern Valencian. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability and Single source is insufficient and article is only partially sourced. Its not suitable for mainspace in its current state.. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. scope_creep^Talk 11:16, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK thank you

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Municipalities of the Valencian Community

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He intentado añadir los nombres oficiales de los municipios de Alicante que tienen denominaciones bilingües (con la fuente oficial de la diputación de Alicante en cada uno de ellos) sin tan siquiera ponerlos en negrita o anteponerlos al nombre en catalán, y me han bloqueado diciendo que soy un "bot Castellanizador" o "anticatalanista", pero esto qué es?

No es que pusiese Calpe en Calp, es que he puesto Elx/Elche en Elche, Alacant/Alicante y Sant Vicent/ San Vicente del Raspeig (cada uno con su fuente pertinente de la diputación) y me han bloqueado!!! Lo mismo me ha pasado con Villajoyosa / La Vila o Jijona / Xixona.

He visto que tú eres un usuario antiguo con muchas ediciones y respetas los nombres co-oficiales, podrías hacer algo? Es que no doy crédito. Simplemente quiero poner los nombres oficiales y me bloquean diciendo que soy "castellanista" pero qué broma de mal gusto es esta? Un saludo, Jaume. 84.125.73.65 (talk) 10:16, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No entiendo bien su problema, ¿por qué quiere cambiar los nombres de los municipios con denominación doble o dual de la Wikipedia en catalán? Según mi parecer, cada Wikipedia sigue una normativa algo diferente de acuerdo con cada caso. La Wikipedia en catalán prioriza la nomenclatura en lengua catalana, mientras la castellana prioriza la nomenclatura en lengua castellana, para cambiar los nombres de los municipios en las respectivas versiones de la Wikipedia debe usted alcanzar un acuerdo con otros usuarios, según mi entendimiento. Un saludo. — Jɑuмe ^(dis-me) 10:54, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hola, es que no ha sido eso. Yo no he intentado cambiar nada.

En la página "Sant Vicent del Raspeig" he puesto en la introducción que en castellano se llama San Vicente del Raspeig y oficialmente Sant Vicent del Raspeig / San Vicente del Raspeig (con sus respectivas fuentes oficiales).

Lo mismo en los otros 4 municipios mencionados. No he intentado cambiar ni mover nada. De hecho, es info añadida tras la primera frase y con el enlace oficial de la diputación.

Si te fijas, dicho enlace está presente y el de la AVL también, pero los usuarios NO respetan los nombres oficiales mencionados en dichas fuentes. Hubo un usuario que tuvo un arrebato y borró los nombres co-oficiales.

En la Wikipedia en Español, ponen todos los nombres tanto en Castellano como el bilingüe co-oficial. En el caso de Benisa por ejemplo, pone que se llama oficialmente Benissa. En el caso de Alicante, pone que en Valenciano es Alacant. Y así sucesivamente. Incluso en Valencia pone que el nombre oficial es València en Valenciano.

En este caso, en la Wiki catalana, es que intentan borrar por todos los medios el nombre co-oficial de dichos municipios! Y ni siquiera los he resaltado en negrita o los he predominado. Como digo, la fuente sigue ahí y ni respetan lo que dice la fuente de la Diputación de Alicante.

Es como la página "Osca" que pone que su nombre oficial es Huesca y Uesca, "Cadis" que pone que es Cádiz, incluso en otras como "Oriola" pone que su nombre oficial es Orihuela.

Entonces, cuál es el problema en ser mínimamente neutral y poner el nombre oficial del municipio? Por qué intentan a toda costa tapar el nombre co-oficial en Castellano?

He visto que eres un usuario respetuoso con muchas ediciones. En la Wikipedia en Inglés has puesto muchos nombres bilingües pese a no ser relevantes en Inglés y a mí no me molesta, de hecho me parece bien como Valenciano que soy.

Pero ahí simplemente intentan tapar el sol con un dedo. Si la fuente y la GVA dictan que su nombre oficial es bilingüe, por qué no mencionar el co-oficial aunque sea después y ni siquiera en negrita? Que es lo que he hecho yo (y es como estuvo muchos años) hasta que un usuario tuvo un arrebato nacionalista y borró los nombres co-oficiales en Castellano.

Espero que ahora me haya explicado bien. Gracias. 84.125.74.232 (talk) 13:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Como le he indicado anteriormente cada Wikipedia sigue una nomenclatura diferente. No es mi decisión que cada una utilice una norma diferente. No es lo mismo el título del artículo que el contenido (el cual puede aceptar diferentes denominaciones, como le he indicado en el caso del Alghero). Por lo tanto el nombre de Torrevella es válido utilizarlo como exónimo en la página de Torrevieja ya que el valenciano es oficial en toda la Comunidad Valenciana, aunque no se hable localmente de forma generalizada. — Jɑuмe ^(dis-me) 23:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hola, pero es que yo no estoy hablando de meter Torrevella con Torrevieja, yo estoy hablando de que no aceptan el nombre OFICIAL de los municipios.

Elx/Elche , San Vicente del Raspeig / San Vicent del Raspeig , Jijona/Xixona ... a ellos les da igual, simplemente intentan ERRADICAR el nombre oficial en Castellano, pese a tener los municipios un nombre oficial en los 2 idiomas.

Por eso requiero de tu ayuda, porque eres un usuario con muchos años y ediciones y veo que eres neutral. Yo no tengo problema con que pongas Torrevella (aunque no sea oficial) o Benisa (aunque no sea oficial) pero es que los ejemplos de arriba, junto con los otros 2 que ya mencioné, SÍ son oficiales y bilingües.

La Wikipedia en catalán no dice que no se pongan los nombres oficiales, si no, "Osca" no sería Huesca, "Cadis" no sería Cádiz y "Nova York" no sería New York. Simplemente busco que se añada en el texto el nombre co-oficial, ni siquiera reemplazar, poner en negrita, o en el cuadro de información de la derecha... en esa Wikipedia tienen alergia a todo lo Castellano, pero es que les guste o no, nuestra Comunidad es bilingüe. Cataluña no tiene territorios bilingües a diferencia de nosotros.

Por cierto, he visto que otro usuario se ha metido de por medio con un pensamiento diferente al mío. Y encima coincide que se ha registrado recientemente. Que sepas que no soy yo, yo sigo manteniendo la misma opinión y edito con mi IP para que se vea que soy Valenciano y no busco división, si no que unión y respeto mutuo. Por eso he acudido a ti, porque te veo neutral y coherente. Gracias. 84.125.73.107 (talk) 11:45, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The AVL or the IEC have invented these names. Orihuela was once historically Valencian speaking, Torrevieja was never. No one says "Torrevella" except for pro-catalanism Catalonian newspapers and the AVL, you won't find an official source saying that.

Torrevieja was settled only with Spanish-speaking people and it has been like that since the town started to exist.

I have left both "Oriola" and "Torrevella" terms as a good willing gesture but they can never be in the infobox nor either in bold text. Even if Valencian is official in the entire Valencian Community, it's NOT in Torrevieja or Orihuela (amongst other places) as public workers here don't require to speak Valencian as in Valencia, for example.

You have opened a text in the helpdesk to add these terms and no one has agreed, but you have still put them.

I have left them there just as a good gesture, but please don't do that again. The difference with Valencian speaking towns is that people also speak Spanish there. But in Spanish speaking towns (especially around Murcia) no one speaks Valencian. It's not even mandatory at schools. I'm a Vega Bajense so I know how it is. Vega Bajense (talk) 11:20, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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