Talk:Strathclyde

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See the article; footnote 1. The trouble with this word is that it is a linguistic term relevant to the P Celtic languages spoken in Britain. That is why I carefully avoided it by using the word 'British' when referring to the people rather than to the language spoken by them. It is true that the name of the Britons was taken over by later arrivals just as 'Scot' came to mean any of the people in the land taken over by the Scots so that there is some ambiguity in any word we might choose to use. The usual way round the problem would be a footnote but it is one of those already. (RJP 13:57, 3 January 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Whilst its interesting to highlight that Ystrad Clud was Northern Brythonic term for the region, is it not more appropriate to put the Gaelic name before it as a modern language of the region? Also considering there is no direct administrative continuity between the early medieval kingdom and the 20th century local gov. region (which covered a much larger region that Strathclyde probably did) is it a relevant name for the English language article? Trinihid (talk) 21:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know the unitary council area, since 1996, is named Argyll and Bute, but I suspect that although the distict of Strathclyde did include the island of Bute (but not most of the county) it was called simply Argyll. Laurel Bush 17:51, 11 April 2006 (UTC).[reply]

I guess there is confusion because the Westminster constituency of Argyll and Bute was created in 1983, 13 years earlier than the unitary council area. Laurel Bush 09:23, 13 April 2006 (UTC).[reply]

I thought it was Argyll and Bute Google: "Argyll and Bute District Council" yields 295 results "Argyll District Council" yields 4 86.142.47.86 23:11, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good old Google, it must be true then! In actual fact Schedule 1 of the LG(S)A 1973 states that the name of the district is simply "Argyll"; The council may have chosen to rename itself at some point but I guess the point of this article is to show the composition of the region as it was when it was created. Owain (talk) 11:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps there should be aka notes in the article? I now imagine the constituency name represents a change of name for the district. Laurel Bush 17:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC).[reply]

The first item of business of the new district council in 1975 was to changed its name to "Argyll and Bute District Council". Broxi (talk) 20:46, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strathclyde seems to me to be much more important now as the name of a police area than as a name for a local government area which was abolished 12 years ago

I suggest we

(1) move Strathclyde to Strahclyde (local government region)
(2) create Strathclyde local government region as a redirect to Strahclyde (local government region)
(3) list Strathclyde local government region in Strathclyde (disambiguation)
(4) put "This article is about Strathclyde Police. For other uses of Strathclyde, see Strathclyde (disambiguation)." at the top of Strathclyde Police and
(5) make Strathclyde a redirect to Strathclyde Police

Laurel Bush (talk) 13:55, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with this proposal. I don't agree with the police area being the main article, but even putting that aside for a moment, your suggestion above would not be good for the following reasons:

2. What is the point of this page? No-one is going to type that in, so no redirect needed. Why not just "Strathclyde (region)"?

3. A disambiguation page should point to the actual article, not a redirect

4 and 5. If you think the police area should be the main article, why not put it at simply "Strathclyde"? Why waste the main topic page on a redirect? If you really don't think the region is deserving of being a main topic, why not put the disambiguation page at "Strathclyde"?

As I said, I don't agree with any change. Strathcldye was invented as a local government area, which gave its name to otheruses such as the police area. When you say Strathclyde, I'm sure most people still think of the region, not just police, unless you say "Strathclyde Police". However, let's see if anyone else has an opinion on this. If there's a consensus to move things around, fair enough, but it shouldn't be done quite as you suggested above. JRawle (Talk) 21:24, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Four points at present:
(|) I am now not so sure that my suggestion would solve the problem, but I am seeing a problem.
(2) We have to think not just about what people might type to find a particular article but also about disambiguation and piping of links in other articles.
(3) Disambig pages should not use piping, eg Strathclyde region, and using a redirect can look much better, eg Strathclyde region instead of Strathclyde (region).
(4) Local government region is clearer disambiguation than region, because there are also Scottish Parliament electoral regions. None of the latter has the name Strathclyde at present, but I can easily imagine one being created with that name in the future.
Perhaps all that is really needed re Strathclyde, I am thinking now, is some work on Strathclyde (disambiguation) plus tweaks to other articles, such as much earlier mention of police, fire, and transport authorities in Strathclyde.
Laurel Bush (talk) 11:37, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I now have problem sorted. Laurel Bush (talk) 11:49, 26 January 2009 (UTC).[reply]