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Have South Asians never suffered persecution in Britain ?--Streona (talk) 17:17, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Asking about discrimination would be a better question, persecution - nope, only in Uganda would you really be able to say that. Why do you ask anyway? You seem to be from London, this maybe of interest. Pahari Sahib 18:22, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heard of cases of religious discrimination shown by WION in the news Wicontrib4 (talk) 04:09, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK not official persecution- but discrimination, harassment are forms of hate crime, and I am against it. The article mentions anti-Asian behaviour in Africa and America, but does not cover other areas and perhaps it should, especially as Asian people seem to be the main target of fascist gangs like the BNP. The refernce you give is about how Asians feel about themselves, not how others feel about them. --Streona (talk) 18:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly agree with this. Just looking at the comments in any article on the IAF rejection of the Typhoon will show how much Indophobia exists in Britain (or at least England). Ummonk (talk) 03:20, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Indophobia's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Cohen":

• From North America: The Naming of America: Fragments We've Shored Against Ourselves. By Jonathan Cohen
• From Anti-Polish sentiment: Ted Cohen, Jokes: Philosophical Thoughts on Joking Matters - Page 21 1999, 112 pages. Page 21.
• From Martial Race: The Idea of Pakistan By Stephen P. Cohen Published by Brookings Institution Press, 2004 ISBN 0815715021 pp 103-104.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 14:52, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The term isn't well defined and is used differently in different contexts. It is rather weird to define "Indophobia" as "prejudices against South Asian peoples, including Bangladeshis, Nepalese, Pakistanis, and Sri Lankans" and then have a secton on "anti-Indian sentiment" in Bangladesh (where 'India' clearly stands for "Republic of India"). There is also significant overlap with Anti-Hinduism. --dab (𒁳) 12:06, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

is this article relevant? --CarTick 03:10, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That depends. Do reliable sources recognize it as an instance of anti-Indian prejudice?

Hokie Tech (talk) 22:03, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A good summary of anti-India/anti-Hindu prejudice during the British Raj can be found on page 23 of The Quest for the Origins of Vedic Culture. Hokie Tech (talk) 22:06, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikireader41, your reverts are against:

1. Wikipedia:Mos#Section organization
2. WP:SUMMARY

"Wikipedia articles tend to grow in a way which lends itself to the natural creation of new articles. The text of any article consists of a sequence of related but distinct subtopics. When there is enough text in a given subtopic to merit its own article, that text may be summarized within the present article. A link should then be provided to a more detailed article about the subtopic."

Beware that warnings that are not valid as they claim are very likely taken as personal attacks. --lTopGunl (talk) 03:28, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

no it is not. that textbook article is NOT about Indophobia. I have no problem you adding a link to the textbook controversy article. that article is much more broader in scope and deals controversies beyond what misinformation is taught in Pakistani schools about India. For example views about Christians etc. the info included in this article is specifically about anti India sentiments in Pakistan as present in official textbooks. Just because you do not like it does not mean that this fully sourced info doesn't stay. beware edit summaries like this are very definitely personal attacks [1]--Wikireader41 (talk) 03:35, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not talking about the alleged information beyond that topic. I only deleted repetitive information copied from that article to this one. A small summary of that should be left here with a link to that article. That is the consensus behind WP:Summary. This is a matter of format and not 'like'. If i had a POV related issue, I'd start from the talk page of that article and not this one. On other hand you seem to be inserting a copy of that content here. I've quoted the exact wording of WP:Summary for you, if you don't follow that, you are the one editwarring. For the summary, its one thing to comment on the comment and another to comment on the editor, and you did the latter. --lTopGunl (talk) 03:42, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

i am not only commenting on your summary but expressing a genuine concern that your edits are not NPOV and you are going around deleting info which you dont like. I have read WP:Summary and i see no reason why this infoi cant stay. text can generally be freely copied between article on wikipedia. i guess we can think about starting a detailed article on Indophobia in Pakistan and then introduce the link here. textbook controversy article is a separate but somewhat related issue to Indophobia. how about we work together on this Indophobia in Pakistan. I think we will find sufficient info for a stand alone article.--Wikireader41 (talk) 03:49, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that allegation of yours is what I pointed out as uncivil. Freely copying info is one thing and putting the same exact content from an article into another and against WP:COMMONSENSE as well as WP:Summary. When a detail is present at length in a related article that detail is summarized in a small paragraph and the article link is provided. You can start Indophobia in Pakistan when you have enough notable information to make it long enough, but since that is not the issue here, you should stop blaming and start viewing your own revert critically. You are reverting against the quoted policies. Your very first response was against WP:GOODFAITH & WP:CIVIL. Those allegations right from the start without any thing being said (with infact me giving and linking proper edit summaries) show your mal-intent. And I see that you have misused rollback as well WP:ROLLBACK:

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I don't think all this favours your arguments esp. when they are against quoted policy. --lTopGunl (talk) 04:09, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I completely disagree with you. but I know better than edit warring with a POV pusher. please read WP:EW and take some time to think about why the admin chose to warn only you. Ihave started the separate article on Indophobia in Pakistan and you are welcome to contribute. and get it out of your mind that content cannot be shared between various articles on wikipedia. It6 happens all the time and is permitted per WP:CC-BY-SA--Wikireader41 (talk) 17:58, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on the content and not on the editors. Sharing content is one thing and having exact copies is different. I've given enough reasons with broad consensus for that. The new article you created will be considered separately from this discussion unless the same content repetition against WP:MOS & WP:SUMMARY comes to be the issue. --lTopGunl (talk) 18:04, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As of now, I respect this decision and will merge the two myself. However, subsequently the topic may have more material and merit an article of its own once again. Unfortunately, as of now Indophobia in Pakistan has NPOV tag etc. Since it is easier to work on it while seperate I intend to remove the indicated faults at its present location and merge it when its tags are removed. Hope this is acceptable to other editors. AshLin (talk) 04:15, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I separated this from the section as that discussion is closed. I think working on it there will require the fork article to stay as it is unwarranted after the consensus. I have a suggestion (since I've done 5-6 merges till now)... Simply dump everything into this article as it is (except accessories ofcourse) and increase the header levels by one for all. That will be in a single section then. We can then add an underconstruction tag on it and work here. I know you said you're comfortable working on it as it is (and that can be done)... copy the latest version of that to your user sandbox, that will leave you completely undisturbed in that regard. I'll help out with the merger along with any other volunteers. --lTopGunl (talk) 17:32, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merged. AshLin (talk) 17:37, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good. Now there are some post merger clean ups to do to make the article balanced towards all countries and in due weight. I'll review and shorten in free time. The purpose of merger wont be completed till the WP:UNDUE part is fixed (which was one of the issues with the separate article). --lTopGunl (talk) 01:53, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest we start with post merge clean ups and reduce the content to a proper weight for this article. Currently the whole Indophobia in Pakistan article is simply dumped here. I invite User:AshLin and other interested users to help as it might be likely that they object to simple chopping off. User:Smsarmad has recommended my suggestion to rewrite the sections to reduce content. --lTopGunl (talk) 00:48, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What to do about the text which is sourced but presents fabricated theories of Indophobia in Pakistan, which have no background etc.? Like the following:

An Indian strategic thinker Ashok Kapur opines that the Two Nation Theory has served Pakistan well and is a continuing source of Indophobia in Pakistan - it helped it gain an independent nation; it enabled Pakistan to gain one third of Kashmir by force of arms in 1947 and to lay claim to it in entirety; it enabled the displacement of Muslim politicians of Indian origin such as Jinnah and Liaqat Ali Khan and the Mohajir community by the Punjabi elite; and also helped to cement the nation and prevent civil war between the provinces

Now Two Nation Theory was introduced by Syed Ahmed Khan and he was not a Punjabi rather he was Urdu speaking Muslim as was Liaqat Ali Khan and Jinnah. --SMS ^Talk 16:03, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is bit is a clear speculation... the article can do better with explaining about Indophobia without this as well. In anycase it would be undue to put a speculative opinion of a single person in the article without any context or need of it. --lTopGunl (talk) 17:34, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On a side note, do the Indo-Pakistani wars come into this category at all? Isn't the sentiment between warring parties trivial? Even if mentioned the Indophobia related to military should be kept to a mention in context. --lTopGunl (talk) 17:44, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• The Ashok Kapur quote is an analysis and not a prefabricated theory. It rightfully needs to be moved to the Two-nation theory as an Indian interpretation by a prominent Indian strategist.
• This statement by Samarsd supports the thesis of Kapur: "Two Nation Theory was introduced by Syed Ahmed Khan and he was not a Punjabi rather he was Urdu speaking Muslim as was Liaqat Ali Khan and Jinnah." Because Indophobia and dislike of all things Indian gave a political lever for Punjabi politicians to displace the leading politicians during Partition, who were of origin of places now in Indian territory.
• Mention of the wars can be reduced and kept in context with only those aspects which fuelled Indophobia need to be removed.
• As such please discuss the planned excisions here. AshLin (talk) 19:39, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Can you take a look and mark or remove the content you think is not required as the section size is too big and it will be good to know which parts can be removed without contention. The purpose of the merge was to fix the WP:WEIGHT & WP:NPOV issues... the above mentioned doesn't look like satisfying any of them. --lTopGunl (talk) 16:50, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have been working on a few articles on Indo-Bangladesh relations. What I read on the subject paints a picture of India treating Bangladesh somewhat as an enemy quite vividly. But, the text here makes it look like a problem with growing intolerance in Bangladesh. Right at this point it isn't looking like much WP:NPOV to me. Shall I try to make it more balanced? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 13:09, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Can you point me to what you read about India treating Bangladesh as an enemy? AshLin (talk) 14:37, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. You can start with Greater Bangladesh and the articles it leads to, then move on to Border Security Force to read on atrocities and the articles it leads to. Let me run a research to find you more. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 05:09, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Three quick searches using google books, google scholar and google news has shed a completely new light on the subject of "Indophobia." There is hardly any use of the term that relates to any of India's neighbors - Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan, or Sri lanka. It is a concept from 19th century, and the only significant 20th century use is pertinent to Eastern Africa. Putting together all instances of anti-indian sentiments across South Asia may be an example of WP:SYNTH (there in more reference to Indophobia associated with Papua New Guinea than Bangladesh). Making the collection of those instances the larger part of the article may be an example of WP:UNDUE. The material on those sentiments and instances are good to be merged into individual foreign relation articles. May be this is another misunderstanding like Indosphere. Will be checking for more details. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 06:00, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are islamic organizations in Bangladesh which have hostility towards India as one of thier primary objectives. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh recently called out Bangladesh on this a few months ago I believe. Also, in Bangladesh a military coup was just recently prevented by military officers who were right wing Islamists who were unhappy with the growing cordial relations between the two nations. 174.1.73.129 (talk) 07:34, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

While I believe most of that is true, Wikipedia is not a news channel. An encyclopedia is about information, not value judgement. Please, check the for word Indophobia, and see for yourself that this article almost certainly is not dealing with that. This one probably would better be called Anti-Indian sentiments or something in that line. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 14:40, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see a POV tag on the Bangladesh section dating from September 2013, but this is the only discussion I find on the talk page. What exactly is the neutrality dispute here? - Kautilya3 (talk) 09:50, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No Indophobia in Europe? -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 23:31, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lot of Europe hasnt had connection to it, but where there are Indians theres bound to be something. UK has sentiment with the BNP (mostly Islamophobia, but Indian Muslims would count too. "In Popular Culture" could list I Proud to be Indian (the Sohail Khan mvie)). I imagine France and Holland (with Surinamese thnic Indians and the rise of the right) would have sentiment. Portugal undoubtedly does with António de Oliveira Salazar after being thrashed out)Lihaas (talk) 20:08, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The entire section Killing of Bangladeshis by Indian BSF is sourced to OP-Eds or do not mention any sort of Indophobia. I will give it a week and unless reliable sources are found I will remove it. The entire section Cyber warfare has not one source which says the hacking is due to any sort of anti Indian feelings. I will give it one week for reliable sources which do describe these hacks as being some form of anti Indian sentiment or that to will go. Darkness Shines (talk) 11:30, 13 April 2012 (UTC) : wrong all the articles mention anti indian sentiment are you even reading them ?Ruffruder0 (talk) 11:36, 13 April 2012 (UTC) [reply]

The Hindu and Rediff are not unreliable sources either Ruffruder0 (talk) 11:37, 13 April 2012 (UTC)This account has been blocked as a sock of Nangparbat Darkness Shines (talk) 19:56, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I do not waste time discussing things with sockpuppets. Darkness Shines (talk) 11:41, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The sourcing may be bad. But, the info is not. Check reports by Deccan Herald, Times of India, The Independent, and The Daily Star - all respectable newspapers. These reports also explicitly mention the reason for the hacking spree. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 04:50, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, the sources you cited debunk the notion that this attack is Indophobic in nature ("we have no personal issues with Indians etc. etc.") and is a political ploy by Bangladeshi pan-Islamic terrorists to get attention. This entire section placed in this way in the article is massive Original research.Tailsgreat (talk) 11:07, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The sourcing is to Op-Eds and do not mention any form of anti Indian sentiments, please see WP:OR. I will retag these unreliable sources and if reliable sourcing is not found then I will remove the content. Darkness Shines (talk) 12:03, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Tailsgreat, if there's any OR here that would be finding "a political ploy by Bangladeshi pan-Islamic terrorists to get attention". Where are we getting that information, apart from deep-rooted bigotry? Very annoying and very unencyclopedic. If we can't stick to facts and must revert to psychological incapacities, we need to get off Wikipedia fast.

Darkness Shines, please state how the fact that "Bangladeshi hackers said their action was in response to the alleged killings by BSF" (Time of India) and "The incidence of hacking has increased mainly due to some recent developments, including brutal killings by the Indian Border Security Force (BSF) at the Bangladesh-India border and India going ahead with the Tipaimukh dam construction against public opinion in Bangladesh" (The Independent) isn't about anti-Indian sentiments? Besides, what was that "Op-Ed" thing? Where do you see "Op-Ed"? Also, please read WP:OR before you suggest it to someone else. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 12:17, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How does this amount to a "hostility towards Indians and Indian culture." This appears to be a narrow political dispute, predicated on isolated incidents.
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 12:33, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I had tagged the Op-Eds, you know those tags you removed[2]. And being pissed off at the border police does not = Indophobia or anti Indian sentiments, it means people are pissed of wit hthe police for shooting at them. That is the OR. Darkness Shines (talk) 13:32, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• If there's context, it is relevant for the article, anti cultural sentiments are not that much of a complicated issue. --lTopGunl (talk) 21:33, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What is Indophobia then? And, what is anti-Indian sentiment? We can start rebuilding the article from a proper definition that requires no interpretation. Should we? Alternatively, the sources and copy can be fixed in that particular part. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 04:20, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• I have removed the content per WP:OR and WP:RS, I gave you guys long enough to come up with sources which state these actions are anti Indian in nature. Darkness Shines (talk) 11:13, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Now that there are sourced and cited articles of Deaths along the Bangladesh–India border and 2001 Bangladesh–India border clashes, the hackers can now probably have a couple of words on them. BTW, the original links don't work, so looked them up on the WayBack Machine - Times of India and Deccan Herald. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 20:12, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have replaced the dead links that were identified and repaired some of the bare URLs. Will come back to this if I have a chance.--Soulparadox 20:11, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Anti-Indian sentiment in Pakistan has it's origins in Kashmir, not during the British Raj, those topics can go under anti-Hindu sentiment. No mention of Kashmir at all, which is where the problem lies. 69.165.246.181 (talk) 05:56, 6 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Anti-Hindu" and "Anti-India" views merge in the case of Pakistan, because it sees India as mainly a Hindu country. As for Kashmir, reliable sources say that Kashmir issue is fired up by Pakistan because of its anti-India sentiment, not the other way around.^[1] If you have a source that says the opposite, please provide it. - Kautilya3 (talk) 00:46, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The entire "Terrorism" section currently refers to internal conflicts in India. I don't see how internal conflicts in India can be described as anti-Indian. The three groups mentioned specifically, to whom the anti-state violence is attributed, are: "Islamic, Naxalite and ethnic nationalist radical movements". All of these groups are Indian themselves, as are the Punjabis/Sikhs later mentioned. I don't understand how sub-groups of Indians can be considered anti-Indian. Are they against themselves? They may be against the Indian state, but that doesn't constitute Indophobia in my mind. They might be anti-government, anti-capitalist, or anti-Hindu, for instance, but none of those things strikes me as Indophobic.

I would like to remove this entire "Terrorism" section, because I don't feel it relates well to the topic, as it stands now. Then, if someone wants to write something that describes terrorism in a way that is Indophobic, they could always write a new section later. At the moment, I think it would be easier to remove it entirely, than to try to modify it, as none of the examples currently given in that section (I don't count the "See also" in this) can be rightly considered examples of Indophobia. I thought I would put it in the Talk section first before I remove it. --Kevintreg (talk) 01:27, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I have replaced it with a quick summary of more relevant content. It still needs to be expanded. - Kautilya3 (talk) 10:33, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The section on Sri Lanka (the only one that I read, to be honest) is heavily biased in favor of India. While nothing that's in there is specifically false, some of the stuff on there is outdated- Tamils in Sri Lanka haven't been regarded as Indian spies since the '80s; since the war started, the Tamils were regarded as the LTTE's spies in Sinhala areas- the wording in that former part should be in the past tense. Also, I added a SOURCED statement about RAW's (and, by extension), Delhi's involvement in training and arming the LTTE. Please do not remove this unless you have a very good reason for doing so (and I can't think what such a reason would be).

That entire section needs reworking, to stop the Lankans from looking like paranoid racists, but I have't attempted to address this myself until someone from WikiProject India agrees. I know just how bad subcontinent rivalries and delusions are, and have no intention of getting my IP banned because there's folks that want the article to describe a narrative rather than set out facts.84.92.64.170 (talk) 22:26, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Please go ahead and edit it as per reliable sources. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:38, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, sorry, but even my last sourced edit about Delhi's funding of the LTTE was removed by Filpro a few hours later. It's pretty clear facts aren't welcome here. See, guys, this is why we can't have an open honest discussion about anything. I've undone it, but you guys need to make a proper decision here.84.92.64.170 (talk) 20:28, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/country-rating-poll.pdf Knightofjustice123 (talk) 04:43, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-Indian sentiment or Persecution of Hindus in Bangladesh written in this article seems to be Anti-Bangladeshi sentiment.

The first sentence written in the content of Bangladesh is "Even though India played key role in the independence of Bangladesh....". This type of statement can play a good role in spreading hatred.😠 Carry on and write more.

If the editors don't want contempts , they should write judiciously. If you search in India, you will also find such people who hates his/her own motherland. It doesn't mean India has Indophobia. It means that some people don't love their country. It's same in Bangladesh. There are many contradictory issues (political and others) between Bangladesh and India.

On the other hand, the term "Indophobia" implies the negative feelings and hatred towards the Indians and Indian culture. I am opposed to some informations of Wikipedia but it doesn't mean I have "Wikiphobia".

The conceptions about India in Bangladesh is unlike Pakistan and other rivalry countries. There are some political complexities between India and Bangladesh but there are immense similarities between two cultures. In the villages, Muslims often perform some funeral deeds taken from their Hinduistic counterparts by mistake. Some people have inimical conceptions about Hindus and they can do harm but these should not be written in this way.আলবি রেজা (talk) 07:06, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So, basically you are saying that Indophobia in Bangladesh is largely related to Hinduphobia (as is the case for most countries with Muslim majority and Hindu minority) - and Indians or their Hindu descendants in Bangladesh are persecuted because of their religion? In this case, we should had a section in the article about Indophobia stemming from religious/cultural persecution of indigenous Indian religions and cultures. User:Toshi2k2 (talk) 05:31, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

I think this article does not violate wikipedia policies

WikiLinuz, can you elaborate why you reverted this? The sources do say that!-Y2edit? (talk) 18:18, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kautilya3, I would appreciate your input here. Thanks!-Y2edit? (talk) 18:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It should be written in an WP:IMPARTIAL tone. Also, the text you added misinterprets what the source actually says.

For some, the outrage was mismatched to what the job posting actually said. With the likes of Zee News and Wion spending hours implying that the job posting demanded a candidate who was anti-Modi and anti-India – even though it did not explicitly say so – the issue got a lot more airtime than it needed.
“I frankly thought this was a storm in a teacup,” said a former editor of a business magazine. “I could not find anything that was anti-Hindu or anti-Modi about the posting.”
“It would normally be very questionable but the advertisement hasn’t overtly suggested that they want a journalist who will write with a particular slant,” she said.
— Sodhi, Tanishka (8 Jul 2021). "Did NYT's job posting for a business correspondent in India deserve the outrage it got?". Newslaundry.

Where in the source does it say NYT advertised for anti-Modi, anti-Hindu candidates like you wrote in this revision? WikiLinuz {talk} 🍁 19:39, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The other source, the Quint also wrote,

American newspaper The New York Times has found itself subjected to backlash over a recent job advertisement it posted seeking a South Asia Business Correspondent based in New Delhi, with various Twitter users and some media outlets saying it reads like an 'op-ed' and that it is inviting 'anti-Hindu, anti-Modi candidates to spread propaganda'.

I did not revert your edit. I am asking you for help and clarification. Can we add this in a, "neutral tone"?-Y2edit? (talk) 02:26, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WikiLinuz, TrangaBellam, Can we write something like, "Various Twitter users and some media outlets claimed that it is inviting 'anti-Modi, anti-Hindu candidates'......after an ad by the New York Times saying that Mr. Modi is advocating a self-sufficient, muscular nationalism centered on the country’s Hindu majority." I will wait for your suggestions.-Y2edit? (talk) 02:32, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The original ad by the NYT was like,

“India’s future now stands at a crossroads. Mr. Modi is advocating a self-sufficient, muscular nationalism centered on the country’s Hindu majority. That vision puts him at odds with the interfaith, multicultural goals of modern India’s founders. The government's growing efforts to police online speech and media discourse have raised difficult questions about balancing issues of security and privacy with free speech. Technology is both a help and a hindrance.”

-Y2edit? (talk) 02:40, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is fake news. This is about propaganda/bias but you 2 (or anyone else) must guide me on how to incorporate them into this article.-Y2edit? (talk) 05:24, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How is that NYT piece disseminating fake news? Do you have any sources from WP:RSN criticizing that NYT piece? WikiLinuz {talk} 🍁 05:31, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That strike never happened!-Y2edit? (talk) 08:47, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is your claim that Economic Times (1), The Wire (2), CBC News (3), Mint (4) and countless other outlets were disseminating fake news about some imaginary strike? TrangaBellam (talk) 13:39, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty sure authorities will deride the strike, a no-brainer perhaps. I'm still wondering how- the conversation as to why the NYT controversy edit was reverted- ended up with talking if strike is fake news. You probably are closer to a topic ban than ever — DaxServer (t · m · c) 13:53, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• The solitary source (NYT) as to Kenya profiles anti-Asian sentiment.
• Uganda expelled Asians - a majority of those Asians being Indians, is secondary and irrelevant. I will argue that Amin was hardly Asia-phobic either; a deranged dictator with no moral compass, he was willing to go to any extents to get his way in global diplomatic circles. The BBC source is quite nuanced; you can consult (Leopold, 2020) for further insights.
• Caribbean countries have their peculiar racial dynamics which cannot be boiled down to anti-Indian sentiment. [More on this, later] TrangaBellam (talk) 08:14, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't reviewed the specific sources here, but content has frequently been added to this and other pages related to some incidents in which Indians were victims, but where the sources do not discussion prejudice against Indians. Such prejudice is of course alive and well in many places, and it's doing our readers a disservice to dilute coverage of it with synthesis that doesn't actually discuss such prejudice. As such I would support removal of any content that violates SYNTH in this way. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:11, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 25 September 2023 and 15 December 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Sas007ucsd (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Racoon dolphin (talk) 08:43, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC World Service poll in the lead purports to ask about people's "views of India's influence." What does this have to do with anti-Indian sentiment? You can believe that the Indian state exerts a negative/positive influence in the world without having inherently negative/positive views of Indians, as individuals or even collectively. Brusquedandelion (talk) 22:58, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article as framed in the lead claims to be about prejudice against Indian people, which is, needless to say, a large and complex topic. However, the page contains a lot of material about reactions to foreign policy of the Indian government, which, IMHO, is a different phenomenon that is also worthy of coverage on Wikipedia but is confusingly conflated here. I welcome ideas on how best to deal with this. Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]