Talk:F Is for Family

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I don't feel like I'm the person to do it, but it seems like this article should be renamed F is for Family with a lowercase "i" in "is." The current weird capitalization is both incorrect and also not how the show does it, so I think it was just a mistake. MrBlonde267 (talk) 04:54, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@MrBlonde267: It seems to be a mistake, the current article should be moved to reflect that capitalization. Adog (Talk・Cont) 20:31, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@MrBlonde267 and Adog: I agree, this page needs to be moved.★Trekker (talk) 23:43, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

MrBlonde267 and Adog I agree as well. However, a page move has been attempted twice already: once in 9 May 2015 by Logical Fuzz and then again in 9 January 2016 by Edfilmsuk. This would imply that both attempts were reverted for whatever reason. Since these attempts pre-date this rename consensus, I would hope that another attempt would stick. That being said, we should keep a close eye on a possible revert. I will attempt a page move reasoning this Talk Page discussion. Maineartists (talk) 01:06, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@MrBlonde267 and Maineartists: Why aren't we following the (I'm guessing Netflix-produced) graphic in the infobox (File:F is for Family.jpg), which clearly show a lower-case 'i', as does their Official website? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:32, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• I was apparently reading the discussion backwards. Yes, I agree, it should be lower-case "i", based on the image and official site (at least). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:36, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I have done the move, as per the above discussion and as per WP:LOWERCASE (part of the m,anual of style). We don't follow "official" capitalization, we use sentence case except in very unusual circumstances. In this case the two give the same result . DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 01:49, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@MrBlonde267, Adog, *Treker, Maineartists, and AlanM1: DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 01:52, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, since this is a title of a English-language work, aren't we supposed to follow MOS:CT and use title case? --Thibaut (talk) 12:50, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I guess so: "Every verb, including forms of to be (Be, Am, Is, Are, Being, Was, Were, Been)" should be capitalized. --Morten Haan 🥐 talk • skin draft 15:12, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I have restored the title "F Is for Family" based on MOS:CT; if there is a need to go against this guideline, an official RM needs to be held and a proper consensus formed. No reason was given in the above discussion to go against Wikipedia guidelines, as well as WP:OFFICIALNAME. -- /Alex/₂₁ 00:59, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong. Just because you write it, doesn't make it true. Re: "consensus" - please read the above discussions where the word "agree" is used more than once. That forms a consensus. Second, this situation does not in any way go against WP policy because MOS:CT does not apply here. One does not correct the misspelled word in a title when it is found in a created work just to comply with WP policy. "That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works." MOS:CT is for writing articles, not for listing existing titled works such as TV series. There is absolutely nothing, not one thing, in WP:OFFICIALNAME that even comes remotely close to this discussion. You must provide other examples where the Title of a work goes against WP policy (as you state here) and yet has been changed from its original title (grammatically) to appease such policy: i.e. F Is for Family. Until then, the page should remain as is. Maineartists (talk) 13:58, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A proper RM was not held to move it from its longstanding title, and so it was moved back. The "agreement" between a handful of editors does not change this. Nothing was raised as to why this article should go against standard naming guidelines, so that's up to you to defend and gain a consensus for. MOS:CT clearly starts with [i]n titles, so yes, it applies to article titles. As for WP:OFFICIALNAMES, it also starts off with [p]eople often assume that, where an official name exists for the subject of a Wikipedia article, that name is ipso facto the correct title for the article, and that if the article is under another title then it should be moved. In many cases this is contrary to Wikipedia practice and policy. Hence, we do not title the article with a lowercase "is" solely because of it being Netflix's official title. Until then, the page should remain as is: I quite agree, it should remain as it has been titled since its creation. Disagree? RM. -- /Alex/₂₁ 22:33, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Is" is not a preposition and is therefore capitalized in a title. How a series chooses to style its title name is irrelevant, as we go by MOS:CT here, which states to not capitalize prepositions, unless they are at the beginning or end of the title. The one exception being prepositions of more than four letters. In that case, we do capitalize them, at least by Wikipedia's standards. We don't put an article title all in capital letters if that's how a series styles its title logo. This is no different. Amaury • 22:39, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we Is just stupid. IMHO Maineartists (talk) 00:49, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And that is your personal opinion. If you disagree, please gain a consensus through an RM or RFC. Thanks. -- /Alex/₂₁ 02:16, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Maineartists: Although MOS:CT is the guideline for Wikipedia, it may make you you feel better that according to https://capitalizemytitle.com/ Wikipedia agrees here with Chicago Manual of Style, APA Style, MLA Style, AP Style, and NY Times Style that verbs like “Is” are capitalized. —teb728 t c 05:41, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The cast list refers to Frank and Sue as having four children, but their only children listed directly below them are Kevin, Bill, and Maureen. Is there a fourth child that I'm missing? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:40, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully not a tremendous spoiler, but I believe in season 4 Sue gets pregnant and eventually has a 2nd daughter, Megan: You can see it here in the entry for Sue Murphy at the "F is for Family" wiki... --108.54.98.54 (talk) 07:55, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I’m new to using Wikipedia but I had to know, why does this show use so much yellow? I have to know. If anyone knows, please let me know. Jamie0802 (talk) 01:28, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]