Talk:Moo Deng

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The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/24/style/moo-deng-baby-pygmy-hippo-thailand.html

pinging @Patsagorn Y. and @咽頭べさ as Thai speakers who have contributed to Lingua Libre in order to ask for pronunciations of the relevant Thai terms in this article. I don't like the current audio as it extracted from another video and has music in the background (not to shame the uploader! I got what I asked for!). better quality audios would be appreciated.

Terms needing audio:

• หมูเด้ง
• โจนา
• โทนี่
• หมูตุ๋น
• หมูหวาน

please make sure to double-check these to see if they are correct, cheers! Juwan (talk) 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @JnpoJuwan, I've already helped as much as I can, thanks ^{«Intobesa (talk)»} 02:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JnpoJuwan:

1. หมูเด้งlisten^ⓘ
2. โจนา listen^ⓘ
3. โทนี่listen^ⓘ
4. หมูตุ๋นlisten^ⓘ
5. หมูหวานlisten^ⓘ this one is for you, if you want more, you can use this video further, I give you permission. this video is owned by me, the Thai speaking woman in the video is my colleague, thanks.^{«Intobesa (talk)»} 13:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   @咽頭べさ thank you so so much! Juwan (talk) 15:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

   I believe the ตุ๋น pronunciation from หมูตุ๋น is incorrect as it should be a rising tone instead of high tone (it became ตุ๊น). For the record, it is the same ตุ๋น as in ไข่ตุ๋น (steamed eggs). Aikoyori (talk) 04:38, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I attempted to make this edit, complete with explanation in the edit summary and was reverted without any real rationale, just a request to explain my edits (??). So I figured I'd open it up for further discussion regardless.

This all strikes me as excessive detail for an encyclopedic article. Yes, Moo Deng is wildly popular. But all these family members - parents, siblings, half-siblings - not so much. None of them have any importance in relation to Moo Deng's notability or popularity, much less how old they are or who their parents are. If they're not notable in any capacity on their own, and they don't contribute to Moo Deng's notability, the info is excessive - its WP:CRUFT, WP:TRIVIA, etc. Sergecross73 msg me 18:49, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, I don't think her entire family should be included. Di (they-them) (talk) 22:17, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moo Deng's family has also received media attention. The material is sourced. I don't see why it cannot be included in the article. Khiikiat (talk) 22:22, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's...not really much of a counterpoint to anything I said. Beyond that though, perhaps reading WP:UNDUE will help you understand? Moo Deng went viral. Her "family members" have a single source that mentioned them. They shouldn't be taking up 1/3 of the article content. Unless you can prove they're commonly mentioned, they shouldn't be trimmed out. Sergecross73 msg me 00:49, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They are commonly mentioned. For example, this article in The Guardian mentions Moo Tun, Phalo, and Moo Wan, this article in the South China Morning Post mentions Tony, Jonah, Moo Tun, and Moo Wan, and this article in the Pattaya Mail mentions Tony, Jonah, Nadet, Moo Tun, and Ko. In the Thai-language media, there have been many articles about the other members of the family. Examples: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11]. Khiikiat (talk) 08:24, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's good, that justifies inclusion to some degree, at least. I'm personally okay with the current, shortened, compromise version, but the original version was too much and too prominent in the article consider the subject is not actually an "ensemble cast" type situation. Sergecross73 msg me 16:10, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please keep an eye out for a better photo. The one in the article and on commons are all low quality and most are out of focus. 70.161.8.90 (talk) 22:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's just a stupid hippo. Why does it deserve its own article? Moderators, clean up your godforsaken website ASAP. 197.91.18.157 (talk) 14:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Admin here. Learn how the website works, and it'll be easy for you to understand why it has its own article. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 15:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]