Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of The Order of the Stick characters

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to The Order of the Stick. I see a consensus that this article should not be left as is. In terms of the outcome, merges have both a numerical and a policy-based advantage. -- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 17:08, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of The Order of the Stick characters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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It does not appear that there is enough independent coverage of the characters themselves to provide notability for a separate article on the characters. The main article on the comic can provide coverage of the key characters. HenryCrun15 (talk) 23:11, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Comics and animation, Webcomics, and Internet. HenryCrun15 (talk) 23:11, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Selectively merge to The Order of the Stick. The lead of this article appears to be reasonably well-sourced (although a bit more reliant on primary sources than I'd like). The only secondary source cited in the entire rest of the article is this, which appears to be an unreliable blog. I found some sources providing brief descriptions of the characters, such as this from Screen Rant, but that only provides a level of detail comparable to what's already at The Order of the Stick#Characters, leaving this article as the usual mass of fancruft in need of a prune. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:53, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Transwiki to Wikibooks, as there appears to be a lack of reference support for this. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:34, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect – Pretty much all sources are primary, except for a short Comics Alliance citation. I don't think there's really anything to merge here that isn't already in the main article. It even already has an extensive character listing there. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:43, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - a redirect seems unnecessary, as the only incoming links to this page are from the proposed target, a list of lists, and 8 DAB pages. The main page already contains a list of characters, so the major ones are covered. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:58, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's also a matter of external links. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 02:09, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Is there a tool that shows those? Because a google search for the page's url turned up very little non-Wikipedia content. Argento Surfer (talk) 15:07, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete same reasoning as Maplestrip. Hekerui (talk) 09:23, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge or redirect to The Order of the Stick per the above per WP:PRESERVE and WP:ATD. BOZ (talk) 12:49, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect to The_Order_of_the_Stick#Characters. I am mildly surprised this doesn't meet WP:NLIST, IMHO it's a pretty popular webcomic. But as usual, this is WP:FANCRUFT and WP:ALLPLOT, or mostly. Some content can and should be used to enhance the main article. Don't hardelete, WP:SOFTDELETE (since, I stress, fragments of this can be used to enhance the main article). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:46, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and add "independent coverage of the characters", which is not hard to find. For example this review concentrates on characters Mithoron (talk) 15:53, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe lesser sources, but Order Of The Stick: Degrees Of Good And Evil analyses characters and this review talks about their versions in The Order of the Stick Adventure Game: The Dungeon of Dorukan Mithoron (talk) 16:33, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't say that review concentrates on the characters. It contains a brief list of them in one paragraph, and then another paragraph with one to two sentences of coverage each on the main hero and the main villain. The fist "lesser source" does not appear to be a reliable source, and the second one seems to be little more than a bunch of passing mentions. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looking back at this a day later, I do see what you mean about the review providing significant coverage of the characters. Personally I still feel a merge is warranted unless enough secondary sources can be found to go into more detail than already exists or would belong The Order of the Stick#Characters without relying on primary sources, whereas all that could be sourced from the above review is a sentence analogous to the last paragraph in the lead, and maybe one or two more sentences in the Roy and Xykon sections. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:38, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There is plenty of independent coverage of the characters on the Web. See discussion of Roy here. https://thecinnamonroll.co/2014/03/20/webcomic-review-the-order-of-the-stick/

Also, I'd be interested to know how much independent coverage of characters in many TV shows.

Consider this article, which has chalked up 102 edits since 2007, and which contains 0 citations: List of Felicity characters RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 09:05, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a persuasive argument at AfD. Feel free to start Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Felicity characters * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the sources listed in this AfD meeting GNG per my appraisal. A merge isn't going to be a horrible outcome either, but I don't think policy requires it be enforced as an AfD outcome. Jclemens (talk) 02:13, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Mithoron and Jclemens, and per WP:PRESERVE and WP:ATD. BOZ (talk) 07:01, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  (1) You !voted twice (2) WP:ATD is inapplicable here since the discussion is largely between merging, which is already an ATD, and keeping at this point (3) WP:PRESERVE is inapplicable here since merging is one of the list of actions to consider instead of deleting there. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:38, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Comr Melody Idoghor (talk) 08:35, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Selectively merge per Pppery and others. I would expand the paragraphs at the main article on the Order themselves, especially, and add in some of the longer-running or more pivotal supporting characters such as Celia. But I don't believe the near-exhaustive coverage given them here can be justified. —VeryRarelyStable 11:38, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.