User talk:DavidRJD

Hello DavidRJD. The nature of your edits, such as the one you made to Nexperia, gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being employed (or being compensated in any way) by a person, group, company or organization to promote their interests. Paid advocacy on Wikipedia must be disclosed even if you have not specifically been asked to edit Wikipedia. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:DavidRJD. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=DavidRJD|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. Amigao (talk) 19:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

While I do have an association with Nexperia, I am not paid for the edits. These edits are done on my own time.

There is significant misinformation about semiconductor companies in the press, particularly from competitors who look to taint the image of one company by using racial or political affiliations to demonize it.

Nexperia is not a SOE. The definition of SOE is found in State-owned enterprise. Chinese ownership and Chinese State Ownership are very different things, and it appears as though we are conflating these. DavidRJD (talk) 21:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Any external relationship is considered a conflict of interest which must be disclosed. FifthFive (talk) 00:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I receive no compensation for edits to Wikipedia and am not employed by Wingtech. I've provided neutral and industry-standard references for the changes made. DavidRJD (talk) 00:38, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I should have worded it better - what I was trying to say is that conflict of interest is possible without direct payment. FifthFive (talk) 01:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've had no contact with anyone within Wingtech regarding Wikipedia, and I have never been hired by or paid by Wingtech. I've been in the industry for a long time, and the political climate is such that competitors are labeling each other as "Chinese State-Owned" to disparage them. I'd like to correct this and other entries, as I have reliable sources to cite. I only want to make changes when easily verifiable information indicates that the Wiki entry is misleading or wrong. DavidRJD (talk) 01:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since you have now declared a conflict of interest, you probably should review and follow WP:COIE henceforth. - Amigao (talk) 19:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have on CoI. Can you please provide a reference for your changes? DavidRJD (talk) 19:45, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You declared a COI, yet you do not seem to be interested in following the process of WP:COIEDIT. - Amigao (talk) 20:13, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So that we are clear I've added the specific percentages from 2024. Your only citation seems to be from 2021. If you have something that disagrees with my documentation, please let me know. DavidRJD (talk) 20:16, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So I take it from your reply that you do not intend to follow WP:COIEDIT given your declared association with Nexperia? - Amigao (talk) 20:25, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:COIEDIT Is where there is a COI. I have none. DavidRJD (talk) 21:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So what is your relationship with Nexperia, then? —C.Fred (talk) 21:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I work in the semiconductor industry. Nexperia makes about 10% of semiconductors. DavidRJD (talk) 21:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Nexperia. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

• If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, please discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively, you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Editors with a COI, broadly construed, are required to follow WP:COIEDIT. Amigao (talk) 20:52, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing.

• If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
• If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Nexperia, you may be blocked from editing. Amigao (talk) 21:08, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@talk:Amigao Do you mind if I send you other edits for your input? I'd like to avoid any future arguments where we use admins. I'm not sure if this is the best way to communicate with you. DavidRJD (talk) 21:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have already declared that you "have an association with Nexperia" (your words) so it's kind of hard to un-ring that COI bell. I would recommend that you follow WP:COIEDIT and WP:PLAINSIMPLECOI from here and propose the edits on the relevant article's talk page. - Amigao (talk) 21:51, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DavidRJD please clarify your association with Nexperia. When a user states, as you have stated above I do have an association with [a company], I am not paid for the edits. These edits are done on my own time, that pretty much universally means that they are employed by the company but are editing on their own initiative. That still represents a significant conflict of interest which you must fully declare.

Also, please clarify why you wish to avoid the involvement of admins? Axad12 (talk) 21:51, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not looking to avoid admins, I was hoping to work with the people that seem to be interested in the topic to come to a consensus. I thought we should be working together to avoid edit wars, right? DavidRJD (talk) 21:54, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, please clarify your association with Nexperia. How can you possibly expect people to work with you when you won't even properly declare your own conflict of interest?

You have now been asked to do this on so many occasions that further failure to do so will be interpreted as an act of bad faith. Axad12 (talk) 22:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You've said above that you are not employed by Wingtech and you've had no contact with anyone within Wingtech regarding Wikipedia, and I have never been hired by or paid by Wingtech.

But you make no similar comment re: Nexperia, saying instead that you do have an association with Nexperia. What is that association? Axad12 (talk) 22:20, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amigao reported a conflict, and the admins closed it. We've been up and down the admin trail already, and there is no issue.

Nexperia is not a SOE, and the ownership documents from 2024 show that unequivocally. I want accurate information out there. DavidRJD (talk) 22:27, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No admin "closed" anything over at WP:COIN. It doesn't seem like you want to answer the question that several editors have asked. Regarding Nexperia, any substantive discussion can and should take place on the article's talk page, not here. - Amigao (talk) 00:16, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate that won't have been familiar with the relevant policy, but please refrain from drawing attention to off-wiki material which might lead to the WP:OUTING of an editor. I did not investigate but it sounds as though you were right to have been concerned. I have asked an admin to WP:REVDEL (i.e. permanently remove) the relevant post. Axad12 (talk) 07:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate it. Can you cross-post this on CoI page? I think this explains better my concern, and I don't think we need to dive deeper here. DavidRJD (talk) 07:06, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would, but for the time being I don't want to draw attention to the post. Once it's been revdelled I could add something to the COIN thread along the lines of "I understand that this relates to off-wiki concerns", but even if I do that it might attract attention to the off-wiki material.

It may be best if I also request revdel to the most recent posts at COIN.

On the broader issue, I suggest that we de-escalate and just wait to see what other editors have to say about the edits you have suggested. As I think I've said, I have no strong views one way or the other on those potential edits. I do take on board your recent point about the impact of labels. I hope that others will investigate the statements in the sources that have been highlighted and agree on a wording which reflects the reality of the situation.

Kind regards, Axad12 (talk) 07:18, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. DavidRJD (talk) 07:20, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For info: [1]. I think probably best if the admin revdels the great majority of the COIN thread, but we shall see. I shall now be offline for the next 7-10 hours but hopefully it will be resolved relatively soon. Axad12 (talk) 07:49, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

'Striking' comments refers to this: Struck comment. Not deleting them. Also, you deleted comments that other people made as well, which is usually considered talk page vandalism. Kindly revert yourself and then strike the comments you would like to strike (only your own) properly. MrOllie (talk) 22:16, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I will do that now. Thank you! DavidRJD (talk) 22:18, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted the edits; then, I used the <s></s> tag you used in your message. When the admin told me to strike, I did think she meant delete -- so thank you for your comment. DavidRJD (talk) 22:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]