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==Meanings==

Sri is a word which is taken with respect, and used when initiating any noble cause.

What does ''srimati''/''shrimathi'' mean? Is this to address women? [[User:Andries|Andries]] 12:40, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
: Feminine of ''Sri'', but traditionally used to address only married women. Unmarried women are usually called ''Kumari'' (variously also meaning daughter, girl, etc., akin to English ''miss'').

From what I know, Sri can also mean "bountiful". [[User:Komitsuki|Komitsuki]] ([[User talk:Komitsuki|talk]]) 09:28, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

== subjunctive gender? ==

There's no such thing as a "feminine subjunctive gender" in Sanskrit. There's a feminine gender for nouns, and remnants of an ancient subjunctive mood for verbs..--[[User:Grammatical error|Grammatical error]] 17:21, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

==General Use of the epithet Sri==
Sri is also used as an honorific, to indicate that the person being honored is prosperous. This ought to be in the article. nein? [[User:Alamandrax|Alamandrax]] 14:48, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

== Definition of it? ==

Hi.

I saw this:

"When used as a title for gods, Śrī is sometimes translated into English as Lord, but this is inaccurate and it is generally agreed that Śrī is best left untranslated."

But can a _definition_ of it be given, or is it not the kind of thing that has one per se? [[User:Mike4ty4|mike4ty4]] ([[User talk:Mike4ty4|talk]]) 06:52, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

==Pronunciation==

We read that:

:'''Sri''', '''Shri''', '''Shree''', '''Siri''' or '''Seri''' ([[Devanagari]] - श्री, [[Bahasa]]- Seri,[[Kannada|Kannada]]- ಶ್ರೀ, [[Tamil language|Tamil]] - ஸ்ரீ, official [[IAST]] transliteration ''Śrī'') means wealth, is a [[Sanskrit]] title of [[veneration]] [. . .]. It is pronounced halfway between ''sree'' and ''shree''. 

Is this really correct for all the relevant languages? I know nothing about the relevant languages, but it's rare for languages as closely related as the romance languages to be all in such precise agreement.

When talking in English, we can choose between the "s" and "sh" sounds of "seat" and "sheet" respectively: we've no halfway phoneme. In English, what are the relative pros and cons of the "s" and "sh" sounds for, say, "Sri Lanka"? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 07:44, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

==Unreferenced==
A pretty good article overall, this article needs sourcing. Tagged as such.--[[User:Lendorien|Lendorien]] ([[User talk:Lendorien|talk]]) 19:33, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

== Cili - an old form of Sri from the Wayang ==

There are up to four languages found in the Balinese Wayang - Javanese, Balinese, Kawi and Pali - in addition to Bahasa Indonesia with its Malay borrowings which may be used these days in simple explanation for a wider audience.  I have found a reference to Sri as being occasionally called Cili - but no confirmation as to which language context this is.  It may even be a Sinicised pronunciation.  [[Special:Contributions/210.50.143.21|210.50.143.21]] ([[User talk:210.50.143.21|talk]]) 13:38, 1 August 2010 (UTC) Ian Ison
:'''''Seri''''' is pronounced that way in Thai, with the /r/ transformed to /l/, but I've never seen it transcribed with a soft /C/. The usual form is ''Sri'', which undergoes elision of the /r/ altogether, and is always pronounced ''Si'' (or ''Ci'', but never transcribed that way.) --[[User:Pawyilee|Pawyilee]] ([[User talk:Pawyilee|talk]]) 16:58, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

== Redirect header broken ==

The redirection header on this article is badly broken and has no links to any of the pages it is trying to link to. I do not know enough Wiki markup to fix it, though. [[User:Lproven|Liam Proven]] ([[User talk:Lproven|talk]]) 12:01, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

== Proposed merge with [[Shrevin]] ==

Except for 1 line in lead and Etymology - everything else is copy pasted from [[Sri]] [[User:VasuVR|<span style="color:#F60;">VasuVR</span>]] ([[User talk:VasuVR|<span style="color:blue;">talk</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/VasuVR|<span style="color:green;">contribs</span>]]) 16:49, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

:I agree, and have gone ahead and copied the etymology section here and redirected that page. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare|talk]]) 19:12, 14 September 2013 (UTC)


== 'Sir' as in 'Escuse me Sir, and "Sir Richard Attenborough ==
The word "Shri' or "Sri' is the same word in the Indo-European, as 'Sir' as in a knighthood by the ancient Royal families of Celtic Britain, and also the common usage of "Excuse me sir, you dropped your card."  It is not really "Mr" or "Ms".  <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Two Wrongs|Two Wrongs]] ([[User talk:Two Wrongs|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Two Wrongs|contribs]]) 16:02, 1 January 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== "Not in classical Sanskrit" statement ==

Have removed this as [[WP:OR]], since the source only pointed to an online dictionary and didn't give any reliable indication of whether the title was a later addition or not. [[User:Lstanley|<span style="color: purple">'''LouiseS1979'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Lstanley1979|<span style="color: #CC4E5C; size=80%"> '''(pigeonhole)'''</span>]]</sup> 15:28, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

== Spelling ==

I think the title word should be fixed in its occurrences across the article, to be more consistent  – ''Śhrī'' is an obvious over-transliteration nonsense.
Also the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sri&oldid=760300683#cite_note-1 note 1] has it wrong – compare with [http://dsalsrv02.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.4:1:218.soas this] or [https://books.google.com/books?id=UX_AeDYzhBQC&pg=PA736&lpg=PA736&dq=12708 that]. --[[User:Mykhal|Mykhal]] ([[User talk:Mykhal|talk]]) 12:59, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

:Yes, I saw ''Śhrī'' and went "what?" 
:The people working with Arabic script [[WP:MOSAR]] are tending toward using a strict transliteration when the word is first introduced, and a looser spelling that is easier on the eye in running text.  Last time I was involved there, they were talking about rendering both [[ayin]] and [[hamza]] with straight-apostrophe, given that most English-speakers can't pronounce the difference.  
:Similarly with palatal श {{IPA|[ʃə]}} or {{IPA|[ɕə]}} and retroflex ष {{IPA|[ʂə]}} – the closest English spelling is "sha" for both.  But people see ''śrī'' and simplify it to ''sri''.
:A problem with Indian terms is that everybody wants the spelling to reflect ''their'' pronunciation in their own language.  Then we are likely to end up with the Tamil and Hindi speakers arguing about whether it's ''shri'' or ''sri''.  (As an aside, one Tamil blogger [http://logic10.tumblr.com/post/25302495177 posted] about changing the spelling of his name to ensure that people pronounce it sri-.)  I'd love to have some guideline that says for pan-Indian topics, Wikipedia would stick to, say, Sanskrit or Hindi spelling for running text and be done with it.  
:For the long vowels, the old combinations like "ee" and "oo" (for ī and ū) look too colonial to me.  I doubt many people would advocate ''shree'' as the preferred spelling.  "ii" and "uu" are practical but unlikely to get much support: ''shrii''.  If avoiding diacritics, this leaves us with a single vowel for both long and short: ''shri''.  Long and short "''a''" are a bigger problem, but luckily that doesn't apply here.
:On the other hand, if the title is "sri" and the text uses "shri"... sigh.  
:I'd like to see pronunciation guides for each entry in the table, but I'm loath to tag each one – it would look way too messy.  
:[[User:Pelagic|Pelagic]] ([[User talk:Pelagic|talk]]) 15:57, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

::Oh, we've been there before with ''sri'' versus ''shri'' [[Special:diff/721521492|diff]]. [[User:Pelagic|Pelagic]] ([[User talk:Pelagic|talk]]) 20:21, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

== Sri count (108, 1008, ...) madness ==

I get it that 108 is supposed to be [[108 (number)#Hinduism|magical]]. But where does 1008 come from? An explanation would be nice. Also, provided "''sri sri''" equals "''sri 2''", I wonder whether "''[https://facebook.com/srisuvidyendrateertha/ sri sri 1008 sri]''" equals "''sri 1010''" ;) --[[User:Mykhal|Mykhal]] ([[User talk:Mykhal|talk]]) 13:07, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Ha ha. Indeed, modest they are not. Even one Shri/sir etc. is to many.  [[User:Zezen|Zezen]] ([[User talk:Zezen|talk]]) 09:05, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Am I understanding that section correctly? Like, for Shri 1008 Satyatma Tirtha, a person who comes to talk to him will stand there and say Shri 1008 times, then his name, and then say what they wanted to say?

Talking very quickly, you get about 4 "shri"s per second, so you'd be standing around in front of this guy for over four minutes before you'd even really begun your first sentence speaking to him.

And do you have to do the shri repetition every time you want to say something to him? Or is it like talking to the Queen of England? i.e. The formal greeting (Your Majesty) once to begin with, and then you can just address her simply as "m'am".  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/114.75.7.207|114.75.7.207]] ([[User talk:114.75.7.207#top|talk]]) 16:29, 22 December 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Requested move 7 May 2017 ==

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The result of the move request was: '''article not moved'''<small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> [[User:Kostas20142|Kostas20142]] ([[User talk:Kostas20142|talk]]) 10:10, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
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[[:Sri]] → {{no redirect|Shree}} – Devanagari: श्री, IAST: Śrī, IPA: /ʃɹiː/ or /ɕɹiː/, pronounced 'shree'. I dont see why it was named "Sri", and whatever articles/content came after that just followed it by not using H. The new spelling should be considered from "Shri" and "Shree". Thank you. —<span style="font-size: 105%; letter-spacing:2pt;"><span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran[[User talk:Usernamekiran|<span style="letter-spacing:1pt;">'''(talk)'''</span>]]</span></span> 22:00, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
*Shree is currently a dab page with several entries. Do you believe that this is the primary meaning of the term because if not it would need to be moved to [[Shree (word)]] or something of that nature?--[[Special:Contributions/64.229.167.158|64.229.167.158]] ([[User talk:64.229.167.158|talk]]) 04:41, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
:: Not sure about new title, maybe [[Shree (word)]]. But Sri is definitely incorrect. —<span style="font-size: 105%; letter-spacing:2pt;"><span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran[[User talk:Usernamekiran|<span style="letter-spacing:1pt;">'''(talk)'''</span>]]</span></span> 13:06, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

*'''Oppose'''.  No reason to use a back-of-the-napkin, non-systematic Romanization that is not reflected in usage (e.g. ''Sri Lanka'', not ''Shree Larngka''; see [[Sri#Place names|here]] for more) or in languages that actually use the Latin alphabet (e.g. Indonesian).  — [[User talk:AjaxSmack|<span style="border:1px solid #93010b; background:#ef0000; padding:2px; color:#efe6e6; text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em; font-family:Georgia;">&nbsp;'''AjaxSmack'''&nbsp;</span>]] 02:12, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
::{{reply to|AjaxSmack}} This article is about the Sanskrit word. The names you are talking about are not sanskrit. They are Tamil, and Telugu. [[Sri#South_and_Southeast_Asia|Look at this.]] Srilanka is a Sinhalese name. In sanskrit scriptures, it is mentioned as Lanka.{{pb}}The only exception is Srinagar, but it is not "Shree" either. That Sri means Sun God in a local language of Srinagar. —<span style="font-size: 105%; letter-spacing:2pt;"><span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran[[User talk:Usernamekiran|<span style="letter-spacing:1pt;">'''(talk)'''</span>]]</span></span> 13:46, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
:::The Sanskrit form is {{lang|sa|श्री}} which is rendered as ''{{IAST|śrī}}'', not ''shree'' ({{lang|sa|स्ह्रेए}}?). <small> — [[User talk:AjaxSmack|<span style="border:1px solid #93010b; background:#ef0000; padding:2px; color:#efe6e6; text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em; font-family:Georgia;">&nbsp;'''AjaxSmack'''&nbsp;</span>]] 01:36, 12 May 2017 (UTC)</small>
* Leaning '''oppose''' based on the substantial number of names using "Sri" as an element. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 01:47, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
::: {{comment}} {{reply to|BD2412}} India = thousands of languages. This article is about Sanskrit word. As mentioned above, ''the substantial number of names using "Sri"'' thaat substantial number you are referring to; they don't use sanskrit. —<span style="font-size: 105%; letter-spacing:2pt;"><span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran[[User talk:Usernamekiran|<span style="letter-spacing:1pt;">'''(talk)'''</span>]]</span></span> 10:35, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
:::: This is the English language Wikipedia, reflecting English usage, where "Shree" is much less common for ''any'' transliteration. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 15:03, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
::::: {{reply to|BD2412}} I disagree. Kindly see [[Sri#Spelling and pronunciation]]. —<span style="font-size: 105%; letter-spacing:2pt;"><span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran[[User talk:Usernamekiran|<span style="letter-spacing:1pt;">'''(talk)'''</span>]]</span></span> 18:52, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

:::: {{comment}} {{ping|Ms Sarah Welch}} Requesting your unbiased/not prejudiced opinion as you have studied Sanskrit, and familar with related concepts. —<span style="font-size: 105%; letter-spacing:2pt;"><span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran[[User talk:Usernamekiran|<span style="letter-spacing:1pt;">'''(talk)'''</span>]]</span></span> 18:54, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

:::Usernamekiran: There are [http://indology.info/email/members/wujastyk/ many] systems of transliterations. Both Sri and Shree are found in literature. We need to stick to [https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:std:iso:15919:ed-1:v1:en ISO 15919] for indic scripts in wikipedia (with appropriate disamb pages to clear the confusion with less used spellings). The most common transliterations, you can [http://www.ibiblio.org/sripedia/ebooks/mw/ check] and typically find in Sanskrit-English Dictionaries such as Monier-Williams. Since the time of Geneva Oriental Congress over a century ago, it is Sri, indeed, that is far more common. See [http://www.ibiblio.org/sripedia/ebooks/mw/1100/mw__1131.html this (2nd & 3rd column, p. 1098)], and [https://books.google.com/books?id=_eqr833q9qYC&pg=PA410 this] for example. [[User:Ms Sarah Welch|Ms Sarah Welch]] ([[User talk:Ms Sarah Welch|talk]]) 20:12, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
{{od}} Even though I still think Sri is incorrect, I withdraw my request to move the page.

{{withdrawn}} —<span style="font-size: 105%; letter-spacing:2pt;"><span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran[[User talk:Usernamekiran|<span style="letter-spacing:1pt;">'''(talk)'''</span>]]</span></span> 20:49, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
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== Requested move 30 October 2019 ==

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The result of the move request was: '''Moved''' as proposed. {{rmnac}} [[User:Red Slash|<span style="color:#FF4131;">Red</span>]] [[User talk:Red Slash|<b><span style="color:#460121;">Slash</span></b>]] 15:37, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
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[[:Sri]] → {{no redirect|Shri}} – Proper spelling.&nbsp;[[User:Getsnoopy|Getsnoopy]] ([[User talk:Getsnoopy|talk]]) 06:52, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
:<small>This is a contested technical request ([[Special:Permalink/923771093|permalink]]). [[User:Anthony Appleyard|Anthony Appleyard]] ([[User talk:Anthony Appleyard|talk]]) 17:46, 30 October 2019 (UTC)</small>
{{ping|Getsnoopy}} '''Object to speedy move''' The article indicates that the [[ISO 15919]] variant is the current one. And there was a prior discussion of a different move in 2017 on the talk page, so I think this should also be discussed. -- [[Special:Contributions/67.70.33.184|67.70.33.184]] ([[User talk:67.70.33.184|talk]]) 07:19, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
*Ah, I see. I'm fine with using the ISO spelling if it's spelled correctly with the diacritics: {{transl|sa|ISO|Śrī}}. If it is going to be limited to the English alphabet, however, then we should use the Hunterian transliteration. [[User:Getsnoopy|Getsnoopy]] ([[User talk:Getsnoopy|talk]]) 18:21, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
* I'm not an expert, but based on some Google searches, I'm inclined to support the diacritic form Śrī . [[User:power~enwiki|power~enwiki]] ([[User talk:Power~enwiki|<span style="color:#FA0;font-family:courier">π</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/Power~enwiki|<span style="font-family:courier">ν</span>]]) 18:24, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
* Support move to '''shri''' without diacritics per my comments [[#Spelling|above]] and [[Special:Diff/775131889|this edit]] from April 2017 (where I made the body text more consistent but didn’t attempt requesting a move).  [[Śrī]] is correct for Sanskrit but cumbersome (and maybe confusing to Anglophone readers who don’t realise that ''ś'' is pronounced 'sh', though this is explained in the text).  [[Shri]] is "mostly correct" {{em|and}} [[WP:COMMON|common]].  [[Sri]] is common, but either reflects regional variation or arises from mis-transliteration of the Sanskrit/Hindi.  [[User:Pelagic|Pelagic]] ([[User talk:Pelagic|talk]]) 04:21, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
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== Origin? ==

The article doesn’t make reference to where this word is first used in Sanskrit literature? [[User:ChandlerMinh|ChandlerMinh]] ([[User talk:ChandlerMinh|talk]]) 07:23, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

== Marathi ==

Marathi [[Special:Contributions/103.87.28.118|103.87.28.118]] ([[User talk:103.87.28.118|talk]]) 04:59, 9 January 2022 (UTC)