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== Spinning off the section [[MTR#Modified Initial System|Modified Initial System]] according to [[Wikipedia:Summary style|summary style]] ==
The previous edits to spin off #Modified Initial System as its own article (and to expand with more, encyclopaedic details; considering the length of this main article, ''and'', the existing practice for other sections) and to downsize that section according to summary style had met with unexplained edit warring and extensive simple vandalism/overdone reverts by [[User:Citobun|Citobun]], among others. No discussion had ever been launched on either talk pages (neither here nor [[Talk:Modified Initial System]]). Please state here your concern and valid reason to oppose such an operation, if there's any. Otherwise [[Wikipedia:BOLD]] will be adhered to and all such disruptive edits will be reported. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/219.73.29.243|219.73.29.243]] ([[User talk:219.73.29.243|talk]]) 02:25, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

: I didn't carry out any vandalism. Please do not make false accusations. I don't think splitting off Modified Initial System is necessary unless you intend to significantly expand the coverage of that subject. Secondly you need to stop adding links to a so-called "Harbour Crossing Tunnel" unless you can provide evidence that this is a well-established name, as I have asked of you [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1079#Long-term_IP-hopping_Hong_Kong_MTR_editor|repeatedly]] – per [[WP:BURDEN]]. I also don't understand why you keep adding circular redirects to this nonexistent article. '''[[User:Citobun|Citobun]]''' ([[User_talk:Citobun|talk]]) 06:13, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

:: BTW I already suggested the alternative names "Tsuen Wan Line immersed tube" or "Modified Initial System immersed tube" since "Harbour Crossing Tunnel" is not an official name nor is it widely used. It also looks clumsy and ungrammatical. '''[[User:Citobun|Citobun]]''' ([[User_talk:Citobun|talk]]) 06:18, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

::: I would concur but these are like neologisms invented by the Wikipedian community. The existing name appears at least in scholastic publications. [[Special:Contributions/124.217.188.171|124.217.188.171]] ([[User talk:124.217.188.171|talk]]) 06:38, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
::: @Citobun: These names don't exist anywhere else apart from this talk page. [[Special:Contributions/203.218.155.184|203.218.155.184]] ([[User talk:203.218.155.184|talk]]) 13:06, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

::: Where did you find these names? [[Special:Contributions/220.246.91.139|220.246.91.139]] ([[User talk:220.246.91.139|talk]]) 05:52, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
::I went through the edit history and found that you actually did.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MTR&diff=1048272498&oldid=1048093452] Meanwhile that article on the MIS has been expanded quite considerably and I would suppose you too would consider it necessary to have a separate article on that, given your precondition has been fulfilled. [[Special:Contributions/124.217.188.171|124.217.188.171]] ([[User talk:124.217.188.171|talk]]) 06:38, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
::: Given your precondition has been fulfilled there's so far clear consensus to spin off the section. On the other hand it isn't uncommon for former lines of rapid transit system to have their own articles, e.g., [[Branch MRT Line]] of Singapore, the [[District Railway]] in London or the IRT Trunk Line and the Fulton Street Line in the NYC. [[Special:Contributions/124.217.188.171|124.217.188.171]] ([[User talk:124.217.188.171|talk]]) 07:19, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
: I found no reason that this shouldn't be carried out. The name of that tunnel isn't quite a relevant point and should be settled separately. [[Special:Contributions/124.217.188.171|124.217.188.171]] ([[User talk:124.217.188.171|talk]]) 06:38, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
:: Agree. Go to an appropriate venue to discuss the naming issue around the article for that immersed tube tunnel. Its name got nothing directly to do with whether the MIS section warrants a split. Meanwhile would anyone request to unprotect that page? [[Special:Contributions/203.218.155.184|203.218.155.184]] ([[User talk:203.218.155.184|talk]]) 13:31, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
=== The expanded article ===
Now that while there's no longer by logical deduction any opposition towards spinning off the section [[MTR#Modified Initial System|MTR § MIS]] and given the spun-off article[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Modified_Initial_System&oldid=1049335760] has been considerably expanded[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Modified_Initial_System&type=revision&diff=1049335760&oldid=1045013796] JalenFolf has gone way further to argue not even the redirect is printworthy and removed the R with possibilities tag.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Modified_Initial_System&diff=prev&oldid=1049336494] The page has also been locked[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Modified_Initial_System&diff=1049357848&oldid=1049336494] upon their request.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection/Increase&diff=prev&oldid=1049335367] They've also proceeded to de-link the redirect to the article section [[MTR#Modified Initial System|MTR § MIS]] from as many as ten articles[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/JalenFolf&offset=20211011071002&target=JalenFolf&limit=20] which amounted to [[WP:Point|disrupting Wikipedia to illustrate a point]]. The question would be that whether such disruptions (including, but not limited to Citobun's blanket reverts mentioned above)[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MTR&oldid=1048272498&diff=1048093452] should be tolerated, and whether the new materials in the expanded article should be incorporated for the being under the MTR § MIS section or should that expanded article be restored. [[Special:Contributions/124.217.188.171|124.217.188.171]] ([[User talk:124.217.188.171|talk]]) 11:39, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
: I did wonder why [[User:JalenFolf|JalenFolf]] had removed the link to the MIS section of the [[MTR]] article from the [[Wilfrid Newton]] article. Also 124.217.188.171, I recommend you sign up for an actual wikipedia account. [[User:Turini2|Turini2]] ([[User talk:Turini2|talk]]) 12:46, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

: This is simply counterproductive. The content of the enriched article isn't incorporated anywhere. It's like simply scraped. [[Special:Contributions/220.246.91.139|220.246.91.139]] ([[User talk:220.246.91.139|talk]]) 05:52, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

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