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Why does the projection of Argentina include the Antarctic claims, Falkland islands, South Sandwich and South Georgia islands claims? All of those claims are on British territory, and the fact that those claims are included in the image is very misleading. I don't know how to change the image, but could someone else change it so that it only includes Argentina? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.1.157.16 (talk) 16:33, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It has been already mentioned above. All surface over Argentina's continental platform and the maritime boundaries, including Falkand/Malvinas, South Sandwitch, and South Georgia, are under Argentina's territory. It's so by law. True, the islands are under de facto British control, but as this is Argentina's article, for Argentineans and inside all the Argentine territory, those islands are part of it, thus it's correct to include them as part of Argentina, stating the previous current situation. Just like they're British under British article. There's an international claim over territorial sovereignty, that should be discussed on another article.

About the Antartic claims, several countries have them, including UK, read the Antarctic Treaty System.

Both situation, Antarctica and dispute claims are explained in the article and discriminated on the map. I see no need for correction. pmt7ar ^(t|c) 19:34, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would expect the same to apply as does to Chile on the Antarctic claims after that RFC is finished. With regards to the other islands they should probably stay in, as per India etc. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 19:38, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

According to Argentina they are Argentine territory. But last time I checked, there were British troops stationed all over the islands, all residents are UK citizens, and they Use the Pound sterling as their currency. They are also claimed by the UK and recognized far more widely as British overseas territories, but they are not shown on the info-box picture for the UK, so why should they be shown here when there is an even weaker claim to sovereignty over the territories. Antarctica definitely should not be shown regardless, due to the Antarctic Treaty. Antarctic claims are not shown on any other country except for Chile. 82.1.157.16 (talk) 23:20, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They're already in the respective article. If you want those territories to be included on UK's article, discuss it in its talk page. There is no doubt about the de facto control of the islands by UK. That is de facto, but in laws, under Argentina their are Argentine, and internationally, some countries support UK's claim, others Argentina's claim. As long as they are correctly defined, I don't see a reason to remove them from this article. pmt7ar ^(t|c) 23:57, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• About the Antarctic, it should not be displayed in my opinion. These are pretentions rather than claims, as there are no disputes whatsoever (there is no sovereignty of any kind on Antarctica), they are only needed on the Antarctic or ATS article. pmt7ar ^(t|c) 00:33, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As long as the United Nations and other international organizations do recognize the sovereignity conflict over the Falkland Islands and South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands as legitimate claims, I see no reason at all to remove those claims from the image. As for the Argentine Antarctica, actually the Antarctic Treaty only suspends the claims, so it does not annul them. Salut, --IANVS (talk) 11:21, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest that the map is innacurate and misleading. Is it forgotten that Argentina also claims Chilean Territory? Show the actual Argeninian borders on the map, leave off their ridiculous claims. Argentinain claims should remain purely in the text of this site. Acorn897 (talk) 22:27, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Argentina does not claim Chilean territory, if that is your argument. The map is not inaccurate nor misleading, as the actual territory is depicted in a different shade than the ridiculous claims.

Salut, anyway, --IANVS (talk) 23:21, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If the mention to Chile talks about the Beagle conflict, that has been resolved years ago MBelgrano (talk) 19:56, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly the disputed South Patagonia Ice Field?

IMO the map should not include Antarctica for reasons of clarity, because it's not included in equivalent images for other countries, and because the claim is effectively suspended by the Antarctic Treaty. The Falklands and SGSSI, if they are to be included, should be included in a different shade, and should be clearly distinguished from Argentine-controlled territory in the caption (as currently). Pfainuk talk 20:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How many other countries have their claims colored? 86.145.85.145 (talk) 19:25, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Quick survey for anonymous: India, People's Republic of China, Chile, Venezuela have all displayed their claims at the infobox in the same manner a Argentina. Salut, --IANVS (talk | cont) 23:24, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In section "health care"

Perón's Minister of Health, Ramón Carrillo, borrowed from German Chancellor Otto von Bismarck's support for employer or guild-sponsored plans and the British National Health Service.

Bismark died in 1898. Carrillo was born in 1906. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.253.131.101 (talk) 01:39, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removed. -- Alexf^(talk) 19:07, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

{{editsemiprotected}} The following text: "Argentina claims the British overseas territories of the Falkland Islands and South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands" should be changed to "Argentina claims the Falkland o Malvinas Islands, and South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands" because to denominate a geographic place whose de jure possesio is under discussion in international law by the title "British overseas territories" is not impartial or objective. The sovereignity status of the islands is under discussion by resolutions of the United Nations Organization (Resolutions 2065 and 3160). The fact of its occupation by the British Forces, with their motherland at a distance of 8000 miles, does not establishes in International Law the undisputed sovereignity over a territory. EPAMINONDAS FLIASIO (talk) 15:18, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I will make this edit since your reasoning seems sound, but if someone more familiar with the material reverts me, then I will not make it again. Gigs (talk) 17:34, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(1) This is English Wikipedia and names are in English.

(2) The United Kingdom doesn't claim the Falkland Islands and South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands, the United Kingdom administers them. This needs to be made clear as a claim is a country's claim to the right to administer a territory which is administered by another country. The Falkland Islands and South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands are not under any form of international administration or joint administration. Do not confuse the status of Antarctic claimed territories with the status of the Falkland Islands and South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands.

(3) Neutral wording and WP:NPOV is to state something as it actually is (WP:Call a spade a spade) and not to use WP:weasel words in order to create a so called neutral wording which is however incorrect.

(4) It is obvious the person who proposed these changes is simply an Argentine sockpuppet troll account wishing to instill Argentine POV and nationalism into the article, due to the their incoherent nationalist ramblings and the fact this was the only edit ever made by the account. 88.106.118.127 (talk) 20:42, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

88.106... remember to assume good faith. It's a fair point that the article could be a little more neutral about the dispute. Gigs (talk) 17:26, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

what is obvious ? Its necessary to discuss this every year ? why dont we create a blackboard! The sentence used by the US, UN etc of "administred by UK claimed by Argentina" is the more reasonably. Also the spanish name its essential in articles such this. Wikipedia is full of translation names on all topics areas. --Jor70 (talk) 19:26, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Argentina also has tornadoes and severe thunderstorms (during spring and summer). It has the second severe weather afer US. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leotizi (talk • contribs) 23:25, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Imposible, Argentina don't have tornadoes, I'm living here and i have never seen a tornado

No tornados here in Argentina. Perhaps you've got any source, Leotizi? Salut, --IANVS (talk) 03:47, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

it is argentina —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.144.198 (talk) 15:07, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The independence of Argentina was recognized on September 21, 1863.

See es:Argentina (a featured article) and es:Guerras de independencia hispanoamericanas#Negociaciones de paz y reconciliación.--201.6.83.146 (talk) 17:35, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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