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I'm attempting to bring this whole category up to FA status, or die trying. Here's what we have and what we need. -Litefantastic 16:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you, and would like to help out in whatever way I can. This article does need a lot of work, but I think it can reach FA status. Blademaster313 04:01, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Right on! I've also added Items and Concepts of FLCL, which, hopefully, can be used to explain what the hell is going on. Assuming that's possible. :) -Litefantastic 23:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Litefantastic, are your going to be updating your table here? I find it really useful and I would like to know what else has to be done. Thanks. Blademaster313 02:27, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I second that. The table is extremely useful. I would do it myself however I would be a little hazy on the exact status and needs of each page. --Gunblade ^(dicemus) 19:13, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Name	Status	Needs
Episodes
Fooly Cooly	Whole, but in need of repair	A NPOV rewrite
FireStarter	Whole, but in need of repair	A NPOV rewrite. The "analysis" section is probably worth keeping, but should be looked at hard by a few people to ensure there's no speculation or POV.
Marquis de Carabas (FLCL)	Empty except for trivia	A plot summary and pictures
Full Swing	Contains a large but poorly written episode summary	A completely rewritten plot summary, trivia and pictures
Brittle Bullet	Whole; needs polishing	Tinkering
FLCLimax	Complete but too short	Needs a longer episode summary and pictures
Albums
Addict (soundtrack)	Pretty much set	Could possibly be made longer
King of Pirates	Complete but too short	Needs an explanation on the radio dramas
FLCL No. 3	Unclear	Probably could use some light editorial work
Templates
Template:FLCL	Pretty good	May not require any further work. The FLCL logo picture could use a little cleanup to remove white edges.
Template:FLCL-ep	Incomplete	Designed to present episode information in caplet form. Needs to have: episode length, episode focus, and a list of the new characters introduced in that episode
Other
FLCL	On its way	Needs to be better structured and have more international information. And more pictures, too.
Characters of FLCL	largely complete	Needs pictures for all the characters and summaries on Gaku and Masashi. A better picture of Mamimi, too.

Is anyone sure about what the ending suggests, other than Naota's coming of age? Naota tells Haruko that he loves her, but I'm not sure if these are his or Atomsk's feelings. Haruko leaves her bass with Naota suggesting that she won't look for anyone else to help her find Atomsk. Has she given up on looking for Atomsk, or does she plan to return to Naota when he's older? Does this suggest that she has feelings for Naota? I thought that I had a good idea of what it all meant for a while, but after watching FLCL again, several times, I've been thinking about it more and I'm even more confused. 87th 19:42, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. The confusion you are experiencing, as near as I can figure out, is the true meaning of FLCL. It is vital to the spirit of FLCL that we have some people say "I don't get it!" so that those who are amused by it can respond, "There's nothing to get." --Yar Kramer 20:33, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm very familiar with the 'open ending', but I was wondering if there was something I had missed out on. Obviously not.87th 22:57, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, I disagree, what do you mean nothing 'to' get? No one can really know, and regardless of what authors intend, characters are independant of it. Let's surmise! I don't think it was Atomsk's feelings, because Naota obviously had feelings for her throughout the series, plus Atomsk has never really shown any interest (or knowledge) or her prior to then. He changed back into Naota from Atomsk to tell her his feelings, so they're his... I'm not sure if she'll come back. I doubt she'll leave him forever, but probably wants some more adventures before checking in, much like her prior eyebrows friend.Tyciol 07:17, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think the ending just says everyone goes their separate ways and life goes on. Haruko may have feelings for Naota (she smiles and gets a little flustered when he says "I love you") but she's not ready to give up her rouge lifestyle for him, and she knows that he's too young to go with her. She leaves for the same reason she came: pursuit of Atomsk. And Naota goes back to his "ordinary" life. I think it'd make a great sequel/second series to have Haruko come back when Naota is an adult. She apparently had been to Earth once before when Amarao was a kid. It'd be interesting to see how different Naota turns out from Amarao, and how different he would react to Haruko coming back. I think that's what Haruko is hinting at when she says "You're still a kid, Takkun. Save it for next time." But until they make a sequel (which they probably won't), we'll just have to accept it as the end of the adventure. It's kind of sad that Haruko and Mamimi both leave Naota, but he learns that he's not as alone as he thought he was. The scene with Ninamori and the boys getting drinks at the bridge shows that they have taken the place of Mamimi in his life.

Also, throughout the series Naota keeps his room very neat and tidy when Haurko isn't around, but the very last scene shows his room to be pretty messy months or possibly even years after Haurko left. Plus, it shows Naota plucking a note on Haruko's bass, as if showing an interest in learning to use it. The series more or less portrayed Amarao and Haruko as two opposing role models-- one embracing a "right brain" way of thinking and one embracing a "left brain" way of thinking. I think this last scene is showing us that Naota is headed down the path of becoming like Haruko.--68.188.66.195 08:04, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I always thought that Haruko giving the Bass to Naota was a sign of her giving up on looking for Atomsk. She can't access the N.O. in someone's head without it (or am I wrong?). Doesn't the end show the bass string moving without anyone touching it? I don't know what that would signify. I think the scene of Naota hanging around with his classmates signifies him moving on from Tasuku and Mamimi, and finally being able to have fun with people his own age. Up until this he always looks a bit out of place until he's talking to Haruko. 87th 22:24, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it shows Naota acting like the kid that he is, rather than an adult.

I don't think that Haruko really needs to access the N.O. in anyone's head to track down Atomsk. That was all Medical Mechanica's doing. Haurko was just more or less helping it along, because she knew it'd be a lot easier to get to Atomsk whenever they got done building whatever they were using his power to build. (That's my assumption anyway. I don't fully understand all of that.) Besides, she doesn't leave guitar-less. She takes Naota's Flying V and Atomsk's Gibson EB-0 (which somehow in their fight merged into one dual guitar.) In the end, they don't show Naota playing the last note. I guess it's possible that it's just a weird quirk they decided to end the show on, but I always just assumed he's lying on the bed where we can't see him. I figured they did it because they wanted to add to the dramatic/comical/weirded-out impact by surprising us with it on the very last second.

For some strange and off the wall looks at stuff that happened after the last episode, look up the translations to the drama tracks on the second soundtrack. They're all pretty heavy pieces of "let's not make sense for a while," but they're interesting, to say the least.--68.188.66.195 06:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For those of us with userboxes, I've created this:

which you can add to your user page or talk page either with {{User FLCL}}, or, if you are using a 'filing box', such as the one from Wikipedia:Babel, you can just add it with "|FLCL|"; see my user page for an example of this. -Litefantastic 20:40, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Flcl.gif is a little big to put on this article.. if I do say so myself.
Does anyone agree?--Isequals 22:53, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not only do I agree, I think we really don't need an animation to begin with. --Yar Kramer 07:04, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That, and it has a DivX watermark. Should we remove it? --Isequals 22:33, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you mean the whole image, yeah. If you just mean the watermark ... I don't think it's possible. --Yar Kramer 00:47, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I, too, agree that the gif is superfluous. It's a pain for people with slow computers, and it doesn't add anything encylcopedic to the article. I think I deleted maybe five similar gifs out of articles on characters from Beast Wars merely because of the long load time and the fact that the image is not that important to the article. Ryulong 21:56, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So god damn. I guess I'll finally remove it. Sheesh. --Isequals 07:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

But that gif was the coolest thing about the FLCL article :( --SeizureDog 22:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

When does the anime ever make a reference to Hamtaro? I'm not sure why that's in there...so if no one speaks up I'll remove it. Tyciol 20:06, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I beleive there is an audible reference to it by one of the characters, or perhaps a plush that appears in the background. Something like that. I'll watcha few episodes and keep an eye out for it. --Isequals 03:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Episode 6; Kamon tentions it just as everything starts falling apart in the background. -Litefantastic 16:40, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, just before the terminal core eats Miya-jun's car, Kamon mentions Hamtaro. Parrot Fish 02:54, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This reception bit is just plain odd. It only talks about IMDb ratings, as if that's the most valid way to judge. It reads: The reception for the series, although not widespread in the United States, has been enthusiastic. As of April 2006, the shoes has cleared the 1,250 vote barrier on the IMDb (which classifies it as an OVA rather than a TV show) with a rating of 8.8 out of 10. If it qualified for the IMDb Top 250 (which it does not: despite having enough votes, miniseries, TV shows and video releases do not qualify) it would place between fourth and sixth on the list. We don't know at all that it would qualify around 5th place since there are literally hundreds of other shows/miniseries/video releases that might beat it out. I think this section should be deleted and replaced with something a little more thought out. Zepheus 05:09, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• I noticed that as well. However, I went ahead and deleted that comment for a different reason. Only votes from the top 1000 voters are counted for the top 250, and the top 1000 voters' score is a mere 6.8 right now, not nearly good enough to put itself into the top 250, let alone the top 10. (The 250th movie has a top voters' score of 7.4 atm btw)--SeizureDog 22:44, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure that only the Top 1000 voters have say over the Top 250. I can't find that stated anywhere. -- Zepheus (talk • contribs).

Ok, maybe I'm wrong about how they system actually works, as it's confusing. But the score to get on the 250 is different from the straight score I know that. quick example. Has an 8.0, but not on the top 250. So yeah, other factors involved, so I perfer to just say that it's based on the top 1000 voters. At least you can still see that score. --SeizureDog 19:40, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The editor was speculating. Remember, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. -- ReyBrujo 01:14, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. Who are you telling that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball? Zepheus 06:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I thought that was clear. "The editor", as a reply to "I can't find that stated anywhere.". In other words, the editor who added that paragraph to the article. -- ReyBrujo 00:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think the page on FlCl (manga) should probably be made into a redirect here. The manga is covered (inadiquately, but succinctly) on this page, and that article is a little rough-hewn. -Litefantastic 23:30, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is it just me, or is the dinging at the railroad crossing (in the episode one and probably elsewhere) the same sound clip from EVA (I don't remember exactly where -- it has been awhile)? Could someone confirm this; I think it would make for good trivia. Dan 21:05, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"EVA"? -Litefantastic 22:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neon Genesis Evangelion. --Yar Kramer 01:41, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it certainly reminds me of the clip you hear all the time in EVA, but its not necessarily the same clip, just a recording of the same trains, which are all over Japan, and like trains in most countries, have a similar sound to let everyone know that "Hey, a train is coming." Films shot in the US that have train sounds will all have the same train sounds, for instance. I don't know if its valid trivia or not.

Also, I think I've heard the same sound in Lain, and a few others too... The chirping cicada sound (reee, reee, reeeeeeee) is another one that I hear in a lot of anime, Lain and EVA, for example. They may or may not be the same clip, but are certainly recordings of the same thing. Phidauex 02:28, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All movies, TV shows, and video games often use sound effects from the same pool. Very few actually bother to record their own effects. Unless a SFX is as famous as the Wilhelm scream there's really no reason to mention it at all. --SeizureDog 21:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gainax tends to reuse a lot of their sound effects, some of which are just recorded from actual sources, so I agree that it shouldn't be mentioned in the article. 67.160.30.127 01:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In the manga version of FLCL, Haruko diagnoses Naota with FLIctonic KLIpple Waver Syndrome, whuch she claims is "a purely psychological adolescent epidermal ossifying syndrome." She later admits that she made this up, but I see it is called "Flictonic Clipple Weber Syndrome" in the anime. Is there any significance to this change of name? Mayuko 16:40, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Prolly just the fact that the manga and anime had different translators. She pretty much says that about the syndrome in the anime, too. Sort of. --Yar Kramer 17:39, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is it a Ric 4001 or 4003? I'm not a bass player so I wouldn't know but please make a decision in the talk page before putting conflicting information in the main article. It sounds like two people arguing in the main article about what it is.

In accordance with Litefantastic's table, I added some pictures to the character page, and explained in further detail on the characters discussion page. Blademaster313 00:32, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added the template thing from the other episodes onto the Marquis de Carabas page, and filled in the relevant information, as well as a picture. I'm not sure about new characters though, if anyone could check for errors, as I'm new at this, or help with this page it would be much appreciated. I'm not really a writer myself, but I would like to contribute as much as possible. Blademaster313 03:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• That's alright. Here at the Wikipedia, we take things slooooow. -Litefantastic 17:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Alhough I've already added the template at the top of the page, I figured a little extra sales pitch here can't hurt: please vote for FLCL at WP:AID. For those of you who don't know what that is, AID stands for Article Improvement Drive, and once a week they take the article with the most votes and make it their official cause until the following Sunday. Please vote for FLCL there, and maybe we can push this thing all the way to Featured Article! Just think of all the good things that could happen if this was linked from the front page! -Litefantastic 17:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For the summary for the epsidoe Full Swing, there are no references to it being from another source. Did someone on Wikipedia actually write that? It looks like an engrish summary from the back of the dvds or the website or something. Blademaster313 22:22, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• As best I can tell, that was written by a fan with no grasp of NPOV. The funny thing is, it's accurate as far as the facts go. -Litefantastic 18:54, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added summaries and pictures for Masashi and Gaku in the characters section. If someone could add to the summaries, as they're rather short, it would be appreciated. I also filled out the information for the templates in the episodes that were icomplete. Blademaster313 23:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Good work! I'll try to flush those out for you. -Litefantastic 18:56, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be inappropriate adding a screen captures site that has hundreds of images of flcl? The site doesn't have ads on it nor does it profit from anything. It just has lots of screenshots from the series? http://nandaba.net/city/ --67.187.124.148 17:03, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Perhaps. The FLCL family of articles needs more pictures (especially Items and Concepts of FLCL) but just taking them from somewhere seems a tad unfair. As for just linking the site: I don't know. -Litefantastic 19:00, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think it would be alright, more screen captures so the users can further have a feel for the series. --67.187.124.148 07:03, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I can easily add screen captures of any part of the series if you ask for them. Blademaster313
      • Noo, I mean putting the site http://nandaba.net/city/ as an external link - a site that has hundreds of screenshots for other FLCL-ers. I understand that both the article itself needs a few more screenshots, and that external links are frowned down upon, but I was wondering if the http://nandaba.net/city/ would be a good exception? --69.148.74.125 18:34, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Squillibob and myself have recently finished independently evaluating the FLCL family of pages in terms of the Anime/Manga Wikiproject. They stand as follows (but may change):

Addict (soundtrack): Start

Brittle Bullet: Start

Characters of FLCL: B-Class

FireStarter: B-Class

FLCL: B-Class (pending reevaluation as a Good Article)

FLCL No. 3: Start

FLCLimax: Start

Fooly Cooly: Start

Full Swing: Stub

Items and Concepts of FLCL: Start

King of Pirates: Stub

Marquis de Carabas (FLCL): Stub

The articles in most desperate need of help are MdC, I&C and Full Swing. Items and Concepts is new and still poorly constructed; MdC simply hasn't been written yet and Full Swing, though eerily comprhensive, is written in a style reminicent of talking to someone next to you in a bar. -Litefantastic 23:54, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Could we get a few more series pictures for this page? It looks kind of empty right now. -Litefantastic 00:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What kind of pictures are we looking for? Blademaster313 22:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just a couple of "difinitive moment" pictures, and something from the manga. Amazon.com has the cover; I suppose we might use that. -Litefantastic 02:18, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also: A picture of the MM building, a good robot fight action sequence shot, and the back cover for King of Pirates. That picture (Image:KOP.jpg was overwritten. -Litefantastic 02:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is this pic okay for the Medical Mechanica building [[1]]. Its from the first episode.--Gdo01 03:02, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming it's licensed properly: yes, that will do nicely. -Litefantastic 14:46, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some pictures I just uploaded. If they can be used, that would be great, and I'll continue to get more. If there is anything else specific, please specify. Thanks. HarukoCanti.JPG CantiTransformed.JPG Cantiandnaota.JPG FlyingAtomskta.JPG Handcowboy.JPG Harurobot.JPG Mamimicamera.JPG Kantivsarm.JPG Naotaeat.JPG Atomskta.JPG

Blademaster313 02:26, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

The International Wikibox on the side of this article mentions that it is a counterpart to articles in ten other languages. Can we look into these for an "international" section? -Litefantastic 02:40, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here we go:

German: Of no obvious use.

Esperanto: Likewise. Eerily, appears to be a translation of the English version. It's both creepy and cool(y) to recognize something you've written, in another language.

French: Note with interest their release dates conflict with our own. Could this information be used to compile a global release table?

Íslenska: Pictures! We can use these! And if someone here speaks this language, perhaps the text as well. I particularly like the picture of Haruko with the guitar over her head. Not because it's in any way useless, but because she looks strikingly like the Hawaiian Punch guy.

Italian: The "curiosita" section bears a look for all of us who took Latin in drafty rooms a million years ago. In particular: "Nel febbraio 2006 la Gainax ha confermato un seguito per FLCL, senza dare ulteriori informazioni a riguardo." Wasn't that rumor kicking around here a while ago as well? More release date data.

Japanese: Unless someone here speaks Japanese, of no use to us.

Polish: Appears to be just a fact list, and I think we have all these facts.

Portugese: Likewise.

Russian: The large picture here would make a fine replacement for the odd one we have of Mamimi cradling Naota while Haruko waves. That's already found better use elsewhere anyway.

Svenska: Stub, in dire need of "Hjälp."

-Litefantastic 18:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Although I'm sure most of you don't need reminding: FLCL will be airing, in its entirity, tonight starting at 11PM EST on Cartoon Network. Please pay special attention to Marquis de Carabas; the plot summary for that article hasn't been written yet-Litefantastic 16:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• I just recently added an extensive plot summary to Marquis de Carabas. However, I would still encourage watching the episode as you may find things I missed or be able to explain events better. --Gunblade ^(dicemus) 19:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Come on, doesn't anyone actually own the DVDs? I'm quite positive that there's a commentary track on it that can be of use. At least I remember one when I borrowed them from a friend. Also, someone needs to fix the references section, it's all bold and ugly.--SeizureDog 19:06, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• You mean we've been slaving over this thing for three years and none of us owns the DVDs? Holy crap. Could you, um, get ahold of that friend again? -Litefantastic 23:37, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

These are our problems, as viewed by an outsider:

From: WP:PR/FLCL

"*Over half the lead is about something called 'adult swim'. This is not en-US.wikipedia - or pretends not to be.

• No meaningful references, #1 uncontroversial fact, #2#3#4 meaningless as 'reception' indicators.
• Too much list and opinion-prose, not enough actual encylopedia content.

Feel free to ignore all this though, it's perfectly possible to get an anime article featured that deals only with North America. --zippedmartin 00:03, 6 August 2006 (UTC)"[reply]

-Litefantastic 00:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]