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August 2024

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Παναθηναϊκός

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This entry should have a section for the modern Greek definition of this proper noun. —⁠71.105.243.101 02:49, 2 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hello guest. The Greek wiktionary wikt:el:Παναθηναϊκός is about Modern Greek (code el), which is indeed 1_ a proper noun (for the soccer team), and _2 in adjectival use: a fan of the team, or in lowercare wikt:el:παναθηναϊκός = someone overall related to "all Athens", "panathenian", or to the ancient Παναθήναια feast.
But here, the English wiktionary, does not have a Modern Greek section. The page wikt:en:Παναθηναϊκός has Ancient Greek (code grc), where adjectives are written -mainly- with capital initial letter. See “Παναθηναϊκός@ΛΟΓΕΙΟΝdictionaries” = "at the Panathenaea"
What we need to do now, is to add a Modern Greek section, with your proper noun. Thank you for your note. ‑‑Sarri.greek  I 07:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Ευχαριστώ! —71.105.243.101 14:48, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Word of the day: get in the boat and row

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The inflections are totally wrong. The inflection entries were added by an IP in 2021. DonnanZ (talk) 08:39, 3 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
That's kind of embarrassing. I fixed the main entry and I see you already marked the other entries for deletion. Andrew Sheedy (talk) 19:02, 3 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Andrew Sheedy, Donnanz: ha ha, I didn't even notice. — Sgconlaw (talk) 19:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

whimsicalADDING IRANIAN LANGUAGE

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--Siamak,ss68 (talk) 13:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)'Hello and greeting Dears,many thanks for this amusing wikitionary but unfurtunaitly forgot add one of the important language for translation and it is persian or farsi that belong to IRAN please cosider and add this language .hope good things are coming for you. Regards Siamak MoradiReply

@Siamak,ss68: we do have a lot of coverage for the Persian language, but we're a site run by volunteers, only a few of whom know Persian- so we don't have Persian translations added for even a fraction of our three quarters of a million English words (see Category:English lemmas and Category:Terms with Persian translations). If you know the English word well enough to translate it, feel free to add the translation yourself. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:09, 5 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Category:English_terms_suffixed_with_-cest

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I feel like you forgot about the word "incest" — This unsigned comment was added by 108.45.56.188 (talk) at 23:02, 4 August 2024 (UTC).Reply

Actually, -cest is derived from incest. It doesn't make sense semantically to analyze incest as in- +‎ -cest. Ioaxxere (talk) 01:37, 5 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
(edit conflict) The suffix was created from the word. The word itself is from Latin incestus (unclean, unchaste, impure) from Latin in- (not) + Latin castus (morally pure, chaste), so the meaning of the "cest" in incest is pretty much the opposite of what the suffix means. The etymology of the word has been forgotten and no other well-known word uses "cest", so the syllable now carries the meaning of the whole word. Language change doesn't always make sense... Chuck Entz (talk) 01:43, 5 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

vas

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Serbocroatian vas ("your"). In the Table the form vaš is missing and/or a "usage note" what the differnce may be between vaš and was.


https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vas#Serbo-Croatian

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/va%C5%A1#Serbo-Croatian

--Rasmusklump (talk) 08:10, 5 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

完稅

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I felt this was Christmas when i opened it. Just a very heartfelt thank you to all the volunteers who so generously share their special knowledge. — This unsigned comment was added by 99.199.110.64 (talk).

Thanks for reading it and the kind words. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:30, 7 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Talk:chronological_age

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I am reaching out because I recently contributed to an article on your site that is highly relevant to my own website’s content. However, it appears that my contribution was removed without explanation. My website focuses on chronological_age, and including an external link to it in the article would greatly benefit both of our audiences.

Could you please assist me in understanding why my contribution was deleted and help me with the possibility of re-adding it? I believe that maintaining the link would provide valuable information to readers and enhance the article's relevance.

Thank you for your time and assistance. I look forward to your response. — This unsigned comment was added by Thomas Dennis Raymond (talkcontribs).

@Thomas Dennis Raymond: Thanks for writing. Your edit to the entry chronological age included a lot of information that you would not expect to find in a dictionary. Note that Wiktionary is a dictionary (with some similar reference works incorporated, like a thesaurus) and primarily focuses on words and how language is used and defined, not the broader social implications of a topic. Very rarely, usage notes can be included in entries if it's really necessary for contextualizing how a word (or phrase, etc.) is used and the etymology section of an entry may go into some detail about how a word was coined, originally used, etc., but the kind of information you added was not really appropriate. Additionally, you may want to see WT:EL for how entries are laid out in general. I've posted a welcome message to your talk page that may help you understand how things operate here. Lastly, the very notion of making any business decision contingent on the content of a wiki is a pretty bad idea, since the nature of wikis is that they are open to change. How any given entry looks today is very likely different from how it will look in a decade, even if those differences are pretty marginal. If you absolutely have to link to the permanent version of a page, there is an option for "permanent link" in the sidebar, so I guess you can link to that rev as long as it's live on the web. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:15, 8 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Additionally, it looks like you wanted to discuss usage over time. Again, this can sometimes be included, particularly if there are obsolete or archaic definitions or forms of a term, but you may want to consider adding citations to show usage over time. If you have a handful of such citations, they can go in the main entry and a more-or-less indefinite amount can be added to a citations page. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Special:Search

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Regex search does not work :(--122.164.84.37 20:40, 11 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

stoje

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Serbo-Croatian. The page stoje says that it was third-person plural present of stàjati. The declension table has an entry stȁjū where stoje should be...

--Rasmusklump (talk) 23:47, 11 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

I want to skip to specific language's definitions!

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I really want a way to immediately skip to a specific language in definitions, as 99% percent of the time, when I'm looking at a page, I either want to see the definition for Spanish or German, and it's annoying, and often confusing when I need to scroll through languages that I don't need, that auto-expand, when looking for definitions :) (I don't know if this already exists but I would love dedicated grammar guides for languages) Diacius (talk) 22:01, 19 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thesaurus:steal

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Is there a hyponym of steal that is used when the victim is a combatant who was killed during war? —⁠71.105.243.101 10:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Probably loot, pillage, or plunder, which connote stealing during an armed conflict. I don't think there's a word which specifically means stealing from a person who has been killed. — Sgconlaw (talk) 22:27, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you. —71.105.243.101 00:03, 1 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

embronze

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Category is wrong. 2600:8804:481:F300:1532:1130:76B0:2E9E 04:08, 24 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Please explain what you mean. — Sgconlaw (talk) 04:50, 24 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
English terms prefixed with en- 2600:8804:481:F300:1532:1130:76B0:2E9E 10:38, 24 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
That's actually correct. "em-" is just what you normally get from "en-" before a labial consonant like "b" or "p". Chuck Entz (talk) 11:29, 24 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Maybe it is time for somebody to inspect category:English terms prefixed with em-, then. (((Romanophile))) (contributions) 10:05, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Romanophile: I actually think it is better to retain "Category:English terms prefixed with em-" as a separate category, but perhaps with a usage note added to explain that em- is a variant of en-. — Sgconlaw (talk) 22:25, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

niesen

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The form niesen is not obsolete at all. It is in regular use. See https://woordenlijst.org/zoeken/?q=niesen Jcwf (talk) 11:37, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

fniezen

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This form is seriously obsolete. It already was in 1919. See https://gtb.ivdnt.org/iWDB/search?actie=article&wdb=WNT&id=M016780&lemmodern=fniezen&domein=0&conc=true Modern Dutch has either niesen or niezen. Jcwf (talk) 11:39, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Wiktionary:Requested_entries_(Silesian)

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Hello This Is Me I have been an enter-set for the mid-language for decided now and i'm interested to registering the Arthur but I don't where to begin?! --Maku586 (talk) 15:48, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Maku586: it is not clear what you wish to do, so please explain it again. Thanks. — Sgconlaw (talk) 22:23, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

keg

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There is a Dutch word keg (f/m), meaning a wedge that is used immobilize objects like doors. There is also a verb keggen that indicate that action.see

It is probably a cognate of en: key. Etymologiebank 2603:6081:2200:36F:495C:1A21:2E1F:D936 11:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

September 2024

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Special:Contributions/83.149.45.113

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Unfortunately, I've got no paid subscribtion for the Exford Dictionary, therefore I cannot check its page for the word 'exile' as adjective or adverb, could some users, who might happen to have it, check it out and supplement the present page of the word? 83.149.45.113 10:55, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

desert (Serbocroatian)

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https://kakosepise.com/rec/desert-ili-dezert/


There may be an alternate pravopis added: dezert. Also the Croatian Language portal knows a link for dezert, linking to desert.

--Rasmusklump (talk) 10:59, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

are izneveriti and iznevjeriti the same words?

vrt

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Serbocroatian: The entry rat as synonym for vrt (garden), I couldnt verfy it by several dicionaries or Links by google. Should it mean rt?


--Rasmusklump (talk) 13:32, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

amenable

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Hello, I would like to suggest that in seeking the correct spelling and usage of words, that there also should be correct and fluent examples of said usage grammaticlly expressed; e.g. I before E, a or an, etc. It would be a further help to everyone. — This unsigned comment was added by 2603:7080:553a:733e:6480:1aef:8528:d0cb (talk).

We have entry for I before E, except after C. Denazz (talk) 18:43, 3 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Results

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No, I don't want to "See also the other search results found."! You are driving me mad with that feature!!--Manfariel (talk) 02:09, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I like the feature Denazz (talk) 18:44, 3 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

razočarati has an entry razočarano, in the wordlist

http://www.vokabeln.de/v3/vorschau/Kroatisch_Alltag.htm

there is an entry razočarno without fleeing a. Is this form also possible? — This unsigned comment was added by Rasmusklump (talkcontribs).

adverse

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I think that you guys should title morphology on these words so that people like me can find the exact section of where the morphology of the word is. Thank you! — This unsigned comment was added by 108.48.85.75 (talk).

Information about morphology of a word belongs in ===Etymology=== or ===Derived terms=== sections. Denazz (talk) 18:41, 3 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

What's the origin or etymology of the Tagalog word "liham"? Explain in detail - thank you

gubernator

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Perhaps a dark mode, similar to that of Wikipedia. I was taken here through a hyperlink on a Wikipedia page regarding a latin word and it was a rather unpleasantly sudden flash of white background. "Chase"

Dark mode is being rolled out, but I'm not sure when it will be enabled here: https://diff.wikimedia.org/2024/07/17/dark-modes-bright-future-how-dark-mode-will-transform-wikipedias-accessibility/. In the short term, users can create their own CSS and apply it to this site. —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

The following verbs should also be taken into consideration in this respect: - The door blew open/blew shut. - One of the tigers broke loose. - I'm ready to cut loose and enjoy the weekend. - They hung tough despite the hardships. - This simple idea holds true. - They married young. - Their jokes have worn thin.

October 2024

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Special:Contributions/3_teens_in_a_trench_coat

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Wiktionary is a super cool project, and as a student I am going to recommend to my english teacher that as a fun project/extra credit assignment each member of the class make an account here, find a requested article on that tab, and make the article for that word to contribute. We shall see how it goes3 teens in a trench coat (talk) 18:50, 3 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi, @3 teens in a trench coat. May I suggest that instead of editing entries directly, you create "sandboxes" in your userspace and edit those instead? For example, instead of editing dictionary, create a page called "User:3 teens in a trench coat/dictionary" and edit that instead. The reason is that we have quite strict rules about the content of entries and how they must be formatted, and if you don't follow then you may find your edits reverted even before your teacher has had a chance to look at what you've done and given credit for it. Once you have finished editing your sandboxed entries, you can leave a message at "Wiktionary:Tea room" requesting for help to see if your changes can be incorporated into the actual entries. — Sgconlaw (talk) 21:05, 3 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

post-

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I have written this elsewhere and shall keep writing it until it is fixed. One of the what appears to me ever-deepening problems with Wiktionary which also feeds into Wikipedia is the use of:

(Curly Brackets changed a bit so they don't automatically get wiki-formated)

   "{.{lang|???|someword}.}" type links that do not seem to land properly on pages and show as BLUE/(LINKED) even when the language "ABC" (for example, Old English, "ang") used in the "{.{lang|ABC|commonwordinmultiplelanguages}.}" is not on that page, so the link should show in RED/(UNLINKED/BROKEN/NOT THERE). 

These links are very troubling as it is suggesting that they are correct in what they land upon when clicked, when they most definitely ARE NOT many times when I look at them. I have a fairly good understanding of languages and etymologies, but there are plenty out there coming to Wiktionary who will not know that the destination landing of the link shows wrong information, and if and when they wise up to the fact, they will think Wiktionary is not a very reliable source of information.

These new-ish links are being used instead of the old way of linking using square brackets:

  "[.[commonwordinmultiplelanguages#ABC|commonwordinmultiplelanguages].]" type links that land EXACTLY IN THE RIGHT PLACE when they are there, and show as RED/(UNLINKED/BROKEN/NOT THERE) when they are not!

It seems a perfectly good and working system has been replaced over the last couple of years with one that does not work properly even when the correct information is present, and suggests that it is there even when it is not. And this new-ish format has been used thousands upon thousands of times and so there is an ever-growing pile of rubbish links to fix building up.

I use Wiktionary a lot for its excellent etymology information that goes right back into Proto-Indo-European and similar, but all the hard work of all those good people who have contributed their free time to making Wiktionary a valuable resource are being let down by this rubbish format design. And now when I edit Wiktionary entries I feel loathe to use this newer format and add to the mess it is causing.

It feels to me like Wiktionary has been hijacked to provide some sort of languages research tool for some unknown parties behind the scenes, rather than a simple but accurate dictionary for the public that does exactly what it should do, and clearly show when the correct info is missing for the user (and thus editing additions are needed by editors) by showing dead RED links.

If my moaning needs further explaining please contact me for some clarification as I would love to help fix this. I am generally against over-complicating Wikipedia, but suffer it when it at least works in a way someone might find useful - this is over-complicating Wiktionary AND doesn't work, which is a double crime!

Rgds

Nobbo69 (talk) 03:16, 11 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

I have no perspective on the main point you're making, but please do use the nowiki tag for these code examples instead of curly brackets. Just start with "<nowiki>" and end with "</nowiki>" and the text in between will not be converted into links. E.g. To insert a link, put in [[example]]. —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:24, 11 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

gell

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Good morning everyone,

In the German section of this page, Etymology 2 paragraph, "Alsace" doesn't have a link. I have tried to edit the relevant template sections to fix this, but I'm not allowed, so the work falls back to you. What I have found out is that Alsace does not appear in the German section of the Template:label/list page. My guess is that adding the Alsatian template from the Alemannic German section, to the German section, should solve this problem.

Disclaimer : I'm Alsatian and I'm a little bit sad that Alsace doesn't have a link while everyone else does :)

Thank you, have a nice weekend.

Yours sincerely 2A02:8428:6E68:3D01:A50B:1E19:883D:5860 07:33, 12 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Wiktionary:Thesaurus

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I have not found a thesaurus that I am satisfied with. I switch back and forth between thesaurus.com and Wikisaurus (this place), and while these two are the top contenders, neither is perfect. Thesaurus.com has way more narrow entries, but the bombardment of ads deters me. Wikisarus is more comprehensive and lacks ads, but I often can't find a page for the specific word I'm looking for.

That is why, whenever I can, I intend to add entries to Wikisaurus. The UI and the format of this place is unlike any other, and I believe it could become my №1 choice for a thesaurus. --Diriector Doc (talk) 21:55, 12 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your work. If you have any other suggestions on how we can improve the thesaurus, please let us know. —Justin (koavf)TCM 00:44, 13 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

To the wikipedia editors who have made this article; I love you. Yours sincerely, random reader.

A category with "nounses" in the title? This looks like a typo to me. --2001:9E8:D4A5:4A00:ED2:92FF:FED1:D909 18:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Benwing2:, as you created this. —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Koavf: he didn't, his bot did, as part of its routine patrolling of Special:WantedCategories. It looks like the category was added to some entry by mistake, and Wingerbot found the redlink in WantedCategories before the error was corrected. Chuck Entz (talk) 05:25, 18 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Word of the day: embarrassingly parallel

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How do we call it the 'Word' of the Day when it is a 2 word 'phrase'? (Referring to 10/25: "embarrassing parallel") Faunamferenbach (talk) 18:08, 25 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Faunamferenbach: "Term of the day" isn't really that catchy … — Sgconlaw (talk) 21:52, 25 October 2024 (UTC)Reply