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稱阿般 : ChengABan@homail.com
Taiwan :	阿Ya aya532205yahoo.com.tw | www.wretch.cc/album/Mickie603 (Xin-Yi)

I'm here knew as Yug on several wikipedias and Commons (ex-admin on fr and commons / my wikiclic), a 23 years old french student in History and Chinese studies.
In April 2007, for my serious work in the department of Chinese studies of Bordeaux 3, I obtained a scholarship to study Chinese in Taipei, from September 2007 to may 2008.

Below is explain my previous involvements and skills helpful for wikimedia :
I was deeply involve in both Graphic organization, Chinese characters graphism, and Chinese language dictionary creation. Respectively by :
_the Graphic Labs on wikipedia.fr in 2005, wikipedia-en in 2006 and on commons in 2007. I created them, started them, and organized them widely. Since 2005, they cleaned up or created more than 1.000 images. I was also the leading contributor to set up a mapmaking standards for all Wikimeda projects. All this was part of the Commons 2.0 project, the next step planned, the idea of an active community of wikigraphists and audio-files creators on commons, which will improve and create files.
_the CJK stroke order project (CJK = China Japan Korea) is a wide project which made and provide about 1.500 free files useful to learn Chinese and CJK characters. I created this project, organized standards, and I staid 3 years the overviewer contributor. I can say the same for the Ancient Chinese character sister-project, in which a Chinese-French team provide hundreds of old Chinese characters.
_CFDICT , a free Chinese French Dictionary underconstruction since December 2006, with the help of the Deutsch HanDeDict Team ( www.chdw.de , 90.000 entries in 8 months ). I, my brother, and the chdw.de team plan to open the CFDICT website this summer. This website and my relations with french teachers of Chinese language and with wikipedians will allow us to set up promptly a good and free Chinese-French dictionary.

In addition to the disapointment of the Wikimania 2007, I leave wikipedia for several reasons, the biggest being that make an efficient work on wikipedia become every day more difficult because of the inevitable presence of people with strong will to edit, but clear lack of knowledge and mediation abilities. One other good reasons is the clear and coward lack of political aims of Wikipedia/Wikimedia. Wikipedia is now a world wide community, with clever and generous members, with millions of readers, we have and we can now act on the world, especially on unacceptable things such the American health system, tax system, and hundred other things. It is time for me to stop my involment here since I clearly want involve my energy and leadership ability in more efficient places, in real tasks, to improve the world around me.

• Planned projects (involvment cancelled) :
  • Move toward Commons 2.0 !
  • Mapmaking efficient standards
  • Commons:Graphic Lab (starting)
  • CFDICT Presentation Chinese French Dictionary based on http://www.chdw.de
• Successful projects :
  • English Graphic Lab(since 2006)
  • Ancient Chinese characters (since 2006)
  • Category:Graphics abilities (since 2005)
  • CJK Stroke order project (since 2005)
  • French Graphic Lab (since 2005 ; 2007's summary)

1. en:Everaldo Coelho & his graphist team - to set up a free graphic set of images showing clear concept (eat, swimming, etc.).
2. A professional cartographer (who?) - to supervise professionally the creation of maps on Wikipedia
3. A profesional macro-photographer (Fir0002 - * - others ?) and a profesionnal graphist. To take thousand of insect's pictures in one museum (male - female - child ? - egg? in one shoot), with the good latin name and the scale ; and to clean up the pics' bacground before to uplaod them on commons.
4. en:Bill Clinton - to rise money toward Wikipedia.
5. de:HanDeDict website's team - which made a dictionary of 100.000 Chinese-Deutsch entries within 8 months.
6. An Encoder & en:Archivist man - hire and paid to buy Audio CD of every old artists (death before 1937, musics free of use), and who encode scientifically each of this audio CD into .ogg, and send this to commons.

All such works are too heavy to be done by one/some Wikipedian, amatory in the job, in its/their free time. According to this fact, we have to hire some professionals to do the best job possible, and to paid them.

An other solution is to buy already existing standardized materials, such :

1. Set of Animal's Images cleaned up - such professional photographies will be use in hundreds and hundreds articles in each Wikipedia
2. A graphic set of images showing clear concept (eat, swimming, a watch, etc.) - need to teach languages, to children or adults. Many children's books have 500 hundred of such pics (I have one in my hand). Buy the copyrights of such stuffs would be really interesting (3000 US$ for 500 pics ? We should buy it immediately !)

Hi Yug,

I'm sorry, but I really don't have the time to take on all the work you have been doing. I think it would be better to ask someone already involved with your projects. But whoever you find to do it, please tell them to get in contact with me, because I think they are great projects and I want to stay up-to-date with them.

thanks, and all the best -- pfctdayelise (说什么?) 15:07, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yug. I think you have started a very good initiative which is very much needed on wikipedia. While i would have been very happy to lead this project, if it was a year ago, presently i no longer have the spare time that i used to have to devote to maps and for wikipedia. I myself did mostly base maps and hoped that others would improve upon it since i did not have the time to do everything by myself. Considering that you are looking to have the guidelines in place by december, i feel it will be impossible for me to lead such an effort. Really sorry --Planemad 13:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry you had to leave. Lycaon 12:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Me too. --Digon3 ^talk 15:15, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Trop bête :-( J'espère que tu changeras d'avis un jour et que tu reviendras. Jastrow (Λέγετε) 08:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yug,

We haven't met, but I just got the message that you left me on my talkpage. I'm fairly new to commons, and was planning to help out with the map-making stuff. I think that I'll take you up on the offer to try and organize the project...we'll see if I have the skills and time that it takes.

There seems to be a bit of a rebellion/exodus from Wikipedia projects now. Its a shame that a lot of great editors are leaving the project. I can tell that you care about WP and have put in a lot of time and effort. It's a shame that we'll be loosing your skill.

If you ever decide to return, you'll have at least 1 supporter (me). In the meantime, good luck with whatever you plan on pursuing. Reuvenk 13:13, 5 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please try to find out if I can mirror the stroke order scans from www.edu.tw. The connection reliability is awful. Thanks! --Infofarmer 10:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This map was generated by a piece of sofware called GunnMap. GunnMap was created by Arthur Gunn (Aaaarg) and is available, free, at http://gunn.co.nz/map Please attribute by linking to http://gunn.co.nz/map

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--MZMcBride 22:05, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great ! I made a new icons, I will have to contact arthur when the maps conventions will be finished :] Yug (talk) 05:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your support. :-) Justinmorris 19:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I moved the answer to User talk:Yug/Camera. I am not exactly sure which Talk page you use!

. Yug (talk) 00:46, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1.  Done Tutorial-cartography.svg : finish + ask English review
2. Cartographic Template:Maplegend : build new templates, assist Sting ;
3. User talk:Yug/Camera : to finish ;

yug

Hi,

Your equivalence png for zhuyin by similarities needs a diacritic over the E for the vowel sound of 也。 It should not be "e" but "ê". If that is a problem for you I can fix the png with my png editor. Patrick Edwin Moran (talk) 18:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Sting, I will have time to involve myself again on the Map standards creation. Yesterday, I improved the overview table (I still have some ideas). Today evening, I made some clean up to the page using the "{{Summarization}}" box.

I personnaly plan to focus my effort on some points only :

1. continue to rethink the map division on wikimedia to improve the overview table ;
2. continue the page clean up using the {Summarization} box (one more evening) ;
3. make some proposal for colored area (translucent layers to show an area)
4. create some tools (templates) ;

About the overview table, I added the German position maps to show what we can finally get, but I don't clearly understand what is the place of German maps, since thay don't use Orange.

I want also notice :

• as predictable, Commons being a "satellite wiki", I think the page is not enough active, only some non-french have voice their opinions ;
• most people seems to wait a fully finished ;
• Pro-English seems support brighter colors and the Planemad style ; in opposition with German who adopted your new proposal's soft colors and skip the orange !

...this trouble or lack of participation ead me to think that we should take a stronger leadership.

To take a stronger leadership :

1. we should more clearly state that your new global proposal is waiting comments and approval. We still can change some aspects. But silence will means approval.
2. we should now expand your proposal quickly and by ourselves, I will quickly voice some proposals.
3. we should make quickly arbitrary choices, we can't satisfy everyone [EN / DE&FR] in such so close proposals, we have to choice quickly to progress continously and keep everybody active.

PS: As I said before, I'm a little "out of the game", so please say me quickly if I misunderstood something. Yug (talk) 21:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC) Happy to be back to finish the work ![reply]

Hi Yug, really glad to see you´re back among us !!

I think we shouldn´t go too fast. I mean, let´s see how rolls the section about the general style and also now the one about the locator and location (geo-location) maps before initiate a discussion about thematic maps (historical, gradient, bio-diversity, etc.). If there´s not enough feedback on these first, no need to waste more energy here on other maps types.

For the German color scheme, take a look here.

Yes, there´s until now not much feedback here on Commons from the local WPs´ actors, specifically the WP-en one, turning it as a «satellite» page, as you wrote. It´s a pity as there´re almost only the -de, -en and -fr which are active in map creation. The WP-en continue slowly their discussion there, the contacts I had on WP-pt seem inactive... but all WPs with a Graphic Workshop where contacted...

I´m not sure forcing the acceptance of color schemes can be the solution on this page because if the local actors don´t voice their opinion here they will continue their business in their local WP without any consideration to these pages. Also, I´m not sure wanting to take any leadership in a semi-dictatorial decision about a standard, specially when I see the low rate of participation here: yes, I initiated the discussion here with a proposal, but as the end each one makes his maps the way he wants, regarding the energy it requires to establish a color scheme that could pretend turn a common standard and knowing how many other thematic schemes have still to be set, I´m loosing my faith.

One month now since that proposal was made, and very low results: the Germans gave feedback but took already inspiration of the -fr standard before; the English stay in their local WP; we don´t even speak about the other ones... I´m almost ready (I gave myself one month) to close the discussions here and continue it maybe (maybe not ?) on WP-fr. Too much energy put (wasted ?) trying to set standards and too few maps created and articles written... Maybe Sémhur´s proposition to use the «snowball effect» with WP-fr as core is the best way to handle this. The Franco-German bound seems also to carry high potential. That´s good, at least.

À bientôt. Sting (talk) 23:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, you are the boss :], I answered there, I was thinking about this issue the four last days, and I'm happy to see that we share the same opinion: the German idea is good, and the German team make a really constructive work, both helpfull and full of initiative ! Great. I'm surprised/astonished by their goodwill, map abilities, and initiatives, we will have to increase collaboration with them.

For the future of the project, I agree that we will need a "snowball effect", that's what my strong initiative policy proposal aimed to start : first say to people that we choice THAT (mid-dictatorial way), then they will react voicing their opinions, and we can and have to listen them. That's when I started to show support to the German style that Seav, and 2(?) other English graphist came to voice their opinions.

Anyway, personally, I have ideas for historical maps, (et je trépigne d'impatience !), but you are right : « First learn to walk, after only try to run. ». Accordingly, I will follow your advices and correct my involvement: I already made some little corrections to concentrate the talks on the general, locator, and geolocation maps styles, I will continue.

God ! I love this kind of talks ! ^__^y 62.147.248.245 14:21, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I'm not sure you understood well what I was trying to say: I'm starting to be really tired of all of this because of the low participation and think strongly to disconnect myself from these discussions here. After closing properly the case on WP-fr, I'll simply continue to make maps the way I like. It's as simple as that. Sting (talk) 16:09, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oui, le projet Greenspun me fait aussi doucement rigoler, même si je trouve ça bien triste. J'imagine la tête que doit faire ce mécène...

Une bonne nouvelle tout de même pour les didacticiels puisque en:User:JaneVannin a décidé de les traduire en anglais. Pour l'instant, un seul d'entre eux est terminé. J'espère qu'elle aura le courage de tous les faire.

À bientôt. Sting (talk) 20:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want input from more users, why not use MediaWiki:Watchlist-details? I'm not sure it works on Commons, but on English Wikipedia it was quite useful to gather a lot of users when a standardization of templates was discussed.

Hello world. (Factice edit to get an TUSC account). Yug (talk) 14:06, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See also google image.

• hogna radiata VS Lycosa narbonensis-top
• Agelena_labyrinthica right
• Tegenaria gigantea-top, left

Hi Yug,

I've been trying to make sense of the COM:SOP and was wondering if you could shed some light on it. I know that you've left the project, but I'd really appreciate it if you could help me understand where the project stood when you left.

I understand that you may not have the time to answer these questions. I do appreciate the enormous amount of time and effort you've already put into this.

Sincerely, --Swift (talk) 06:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply. Regarding the kanji issue: The project currently doesn't support users who wants to upload a stroke order image for a Japanese character very well. Unless they have access to information about the simplified and/or traditional Chinese characters they can upload them to the Japanese variant filename, but that risks duplicating work. It seems we need some sort of infrastructure to organise which stroke orders have been validated for various things. There is a page on the simplified Chinese, but its scope doesn't extend to Japanese.

I'm going to think about this some more. I mentioned one idea to Wikic. We should probably move discussion to the project talk page. --Swift (talk) 05:19, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Phgysic Maps of East Asia

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Because it was the first time I made such a big map, it took too much time. Here you are :) --KSiOM(Talk) 05:13, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your big thanks! :) Let me answer your questions, generating map was quite difficult to me. I learned from here and many other websites. I spent 1~2 hours generating the map, but shorter time is needed when making small map such as Korean Peninsula.(10 mins?) I still have not .xcf but .ai(for adobe illustrator) file. if you want to download it, let me know your e-mail address.:) --KSiOM(Talk) 21:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do not remove the appropriate maps from the Costa Rica atlas again. Thank you. Rarelibra (talk) 12:57, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Does regional and sub-nationals maps should be include in NATIONAL atlas ? Make this clean up is a personnal opinion which I sincerely think better, include regional map is also according to an opinion. There is no disrespect, wiki is build edit after edit, talk after talk. For the moment, nothing show that your solution is better than mine. Regards, Yug (talk) 14:16, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have contributed greatly to the atlas. The atlas was not set up for someone like you to make arbitrary "personal opinion" decisions as to editing the content. Look at other country entries and you'll see regional, etc maps - Costa Rica doesn't have as many because of the limited amount of entries (so far). So again - I am telling you NOT to remove maps from the atlas (or bring it up on the talk page). Thank you. Rarelibra (talk) 14:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are not "telling you NOT to remove maps from the atlas", you are explaining me, simply and for the first time, the way to work. = Accepted.

Yug (talk) 14:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't care how you look at it - don't start going around doing "your own thing" according to your "personal opinion" and not expect to have someone tell you NOT to do it. Cheers. Rarelibra (talk) 14:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you are free to don't care how I look at that, and free to send orders to other wiki volunteers. Other volunteers will react and request missing explanations (like I did), and you will lost time. Yes, that's your freedom, and that's my freedom to react and ask explanations.

Or you can care about, and send a 3 lines notifications like you finally did in your 2nd post. This will end the talk within 2 mins.

Do as you want for next cases. For our it's finish.

Regards,

Yug (talk) 15:33, 18 August 2008 (UTC) (PS: a/ "personal opinion [which I sincerely think better]" = en:Wikipedia:Be bold. b/ Your explanation = ok, I accept your revert.)[reply]

Salut,

Merci pour ta correction, je vais sûrement en apporter d'autres prochainement sur les couleurs (un petit filet de dégradés pour rendre le tout plus réaliste) dès que le demandeur aura donné son avis sur l'avancement actuel du travail. Karta24 (talk) 07:33, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merci pour tes compliments et pour ta proposition de participation au projet Greenspun, qui me tente vraiment. Mais j'ai un peu du mal à m'y retrouver dans le projet et beaucoup de questions me traversent l'esprit: Qui peut prendre en charge des illustrations (n'importe qui? un contributeur quelconque, un professionnel de l'image? quel est le niveau de compétences nécessaire?)? Comment proposer sa participation et comment participer? Je te serais très reconnaissant de m'éclairer sur le sujet, même si je sais que tes contributions se font plus rares. A bientôt j'espère... Karta24 (talk) 14:48, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Qui: Tout le monde peu prendre une requete en charge.

Niv.: avoir le niveau de faire du bon travail, voir ton instincteur et la Category:Philip Greenspun illustration project, tous bien construit, mais qui ne sont pas nécéssairement hallucinant. Sting, walké, Sémhur, et quelques autres ont déjà fait chacun quelques images de ce niveau.

Prendre une requetes:

1. sur jira, choisir une requetes unassigned (facile...),

2. se creer un account sur Jira (LadyOfHats à posée la meme question, et on lui a indiqué cette page : https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/JIRA/Creating_an_account ).

3. signaler que tu souhaites prendre la requete en charge.

4. Brianna Laugher te l'a confie.

5. tu charge l'image sur commons et tu signales ton travail pour qu'il soit commenté ou accepté.

6. accepté = recompense associée.

Voilà tout ce que je sais.

Yug (talk) 22:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

J'ai finalement aussi répondu sur fr:Discussion_Wikipédia:Atelier_graphique/Images_à_améliorer#Greenspun_project_:_ca_tourne. Yug (talk) 22:47, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yug,

I noticed when you added it to the template, and yes, it did gave it increasing visibility and usage. Thank you :)

I have in my mind various upgrades already, however I can't really tell when will anything get done.

1. Automatic upload is something I have in mind, and I will see to have it done eventually. Thanks for pointing me to Luxo's tools, if possible, I will use his code.

2. Memory: Having a translation memory is easy on my part, however it would require that translators specify the target language beforehand, which some people may not like to do. 3. Correction of a SVG is already possible, as when you translate, you can "translate" to the same language. Simply change the word, save the SVG and you have the corrected SVG.

(By the way, when you don't type in a word, the original word remains used; is it obvious, or should I add that somewhere? Should perhaps SVGTranslate have documentation somewhere on Commons?)

For the rest:

Better design is fine, but what I'd really like to add is the ability to view SVG in one half of your screen while you are editing it in the other half.

Keeping score is only possible after the automatic upload. If you're interested, I could get you usage statistics until now. If you want to check if a specific file is translated with it, you can try opening the file and looking at its source - SVGTranslate adds a signature at the end.

I gave a speak about this topic at this year's Wikimania. You may be interested in seeing the video and the presentation. Nikola (talk) 18:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok for your projects ! (Automatic upload, Memory, Correction = GREAT !)

Design is just a small issue (a style), the idea of an instant preview is interesting. The "signature" in the end of the SVG may also be helpful for later.

New idea: submit propostions of SVG to translate: if you still have the list of all SVG already translate, it may be interesting to publish them to notify "HERE A TRANSLATABLE SVG". Even better : when a user make a EN->ES translation, you may submit him the names of SVGs which were already translate from EN->FR (and not into spanish).

Conventions: I also encourage you to propose the suffixes *-en.svg , *-de.svg, etc to your users. So yes, a little documentation on commons should be welcome. Notice me if you start a page.

Statistic to get support: I encourage you to share/publish your statistic of usage. In my personal opinion, the boss(s) of wikimedia underestimate the graphic issue, and the possibilities of development, especially for SVG , map conventions , tutorials creation and translations. So yes: publish your statistics to show them how your tool is use... when such initiative get a correct support and visibility.

Yug (talk) 20:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image

Wikisation_of_images.pdf

O.O !!!! GENIAL !!!!!! AMAZING !!!!!

1. Do you have support from wikimedia's boss ? programmers ?

2. En encourage you to notice : Need_of_SVG_programmers_to_make_a_SVG_think_tank. Now, my conclusion is that Luxo, Arthur (see this http://gunn.co.nz/map/ !!! arthur @ gunn.co.nz) and you should set up a team, with "official" support from the leaders and the leading programmers.

I hope the way will be easy, and I hope that this will be possible.

Yug (talk) 21:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is support, Brion was on the presentation, and he liked the idea :) Nikola (talk) 06:30, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And, here are the statistics:

     97 /Jan/
     84 /Feb/
    110 /Mar/
     34 /Apr/
     19 /May/
    171 /Jun/
    229 /Jul/
    266 /Aug/
    the 29 may : I added more visibility.

These are the numbers of times when someone clicked on "Submit Translation", but I can not know if a translation was actually uploaded somewhere. Nikola (talk) 06:35, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Salut,

Deux problèmes à signaler sur cette image que tu as modifiée:
> Blanc de l'œil décalé sur le svg affiché par Firefox
> Yeux, bouche et nez disparus sur le png de 30px (cfr ce modèle)

Cordialement,

Karta24 (talk) 14:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Salut Karta ! Je rame, je n'aurais peut etre pas du uploadé mon travail. En SVG c'est améliorable et pas trop mal, mais le rendu sur wikimedia est vraiment .... décevant. T'aurais pas des idées ? d'où vient cette disparition bizarre de certaines parties ? Yug (talk) 15:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Be careful, Image:Yug3.png was truncated. Try reuploading it. Platonides (talk) 00:31, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but it seems good right now. ;) Yug (talk) 00:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Salut,

Ce n'est qu'un petit détail, mais j'ai remarqué que sur mon template, tu avais remplacé le bandeau {{Graphic Lab|fr}} par l'ancien {{Atelier graphique}}, je pensais qu'il fallait utiliser le premier pour uniformiser les templates des différents graphic labs des wikis... non? Karta24 (talk) 09:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Oups, je viens seulement de voir ta réponse à Image:Noia 64 apps emacs.svg (je passe assez rarement sur mes pages de Commons), je vais y jeter un œil dès que possible ;)

J'aurais mieux fait de remarquer que tout s'affichait correctement avant d'écrire ça, désolé Karta24 (talk) 09:33, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah oui aussi, si tu as un peu de temps et surtout l'envie de t'y lancer, est-ce que tu pourrais donner ton avis sur la discussion que j'ai avec Dereckson sur l'upload par dessus l'original des images retouchées? Merci beaucoup. Karta24 (talk) 09:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

J'ai plutôt lancé la discussion sur la page de discussion de l'Atelier ;) Karta24 (talk) 09:58, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yug,

First of all welcome as a nominator at COM:VIC. I hope you will enjoy nominating images there.

Secondly; you do not have to do this when withdrawing a nomination. Just let it stay there, as there is a procedure for closure to be followed, which properly removes the candidate in a correct closed state, all assisted by VICbot. I will undo the edit now. This is just to tell you why I do that. Cheers, -- Slaunger (talk) 12:18, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

★ Your nomination has been reviewed and promoted ★
Congratulations! The image you nominated was reviewed and has now been promoted as a valued image. It is considered to be the most valued image on Commons within the scope:
Hogna radiata (Adult Female)..
If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Valued images candidates.

review

•  Info pretty good and smart photograph, very encyclopedic, showing perfectly the subject. Yug (talk) 13:15, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
•  Comment It fails VI criterion 5 regarding Geocoding. Fix that and you have my support. I do not really get this thing about the perception of an photographs of an animal being considered as more encyclopedic when photographed on a white background. I realize this is a preference among some users on Wikipedias for these types of shots, but for me an animal picture is more valuable when it is in contact with its normal habitat and interacts with that. The scale on the sheets is useful though. I suggest you add more numbers on it (5 and 10 mm). -- Slaunger (talk) 22:09, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
•  Support crit. 5 not applicable here (studio shot). --Eusebius (talk) 05:44, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  Hm...well. Yug, is it correct that this individual was found at some location, and placed on this sheet of yours in sunlight, whereafter you took the photo? If that is so, it is not a studio shot in my opinion. The reason why I would like a geocode is that there can be regional variances in how species of living organisms look. I agree the background in non-place-related, but the subject may be (but I do not know). Just to compare with another VI with neutral background like this Image:Abludomelita obtusata.jpg. This is not geocoded either, but there are two good reasons: (1) the specimen was sampled somewhere on the Belgian continental shelf at sea (the exact location is unknown), and (2) it is truly a studio shot. If this image is truly a studio shot, I would like to have that stated more clearly on the image page, and if my assumption about how it was made is right, I think that should be stated as well on the image page along with a location. -- Slaunger (talk) 06:14, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  The image's page description note « took in the South West of France », I was by this time traveling in a 200x200km area (en:Aquitaine). If I remember well, I picked up this subject in en:Marmande ( Coordinates: 44°30′05″N 0°09′58″E ), so I should past {location dms|44|30|05|N|0|09|58|E|heading:WSW} (isn't it ? what is the WSW ?). The picture being then took in Bayonne, 200km southward. Yug (talk) 08:51, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  I added the location you specified (it pops up in Marmande). The WSW is a heading (the direction the camera was pointing at towards the subject). The heading is irrelevant in this case, so I have omitted it. -- Slaunger (talk) 12:42, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  For the scale, I think 0 + mm + 25 + the clear graduations are enough, we also have to trust a little readers abilities. Yug (talk) 09:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  Well, I had to use some time to get it right. I may not be the brightest individual, but I do not think I am the dumbest either. I cannot see any harm in future version of the sheet to also add 5, 10, and 15 mm on the scale. It will only make it clearer. Anyway that is just a suggestion. -- Slaunger (talk) 12:42, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  Ok, noticed. I will think a solution for next photographies. Yug (talk) 14:53, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

•  Comment one last thing, which I noticed while editing the image page: Please provide the date you took the image in the date field. The date field refers the reader to inspect the date of upload, and I am not convinced that is the date of creation. Unfortunately the EXIF data are not there (why not, did the fr wikigrapists remove it?). Else, I would have added it myself. -- Slaunger (talk) 12:46, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
•  Comment I also just noted that the image is associated with a non-existent category, Category:Picture using Macro A4. Do yourself a favor and create that category (are you sure about that capital letter "M" in the category name)? -- Slaunger (talk) 12:58, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
•  Oppose for now until date and category issues on image page are solved. -- Slaunger (talk) 13:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  Date: 5 september 2008 : added.
  Category : created.
  Author vote forbidden: ok, noticed. I didn't seen that you reverted my vote the 1st time. Sorry.
  Yug (talk) 14:52, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

   Support All issues resolved. -- Slaunger (talk) 19:52, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Result: 2 support, 0 oppose =>

promoted. -- Berthold Werner (talk) 18:05, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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First of all, thanks for alerting me about the graphics lab! The pictures look great. Now for something I must bother you about:

Recently someone added this map to the article on Tang Dynasty. I noticed on the page for this image that there is not a proper source listed as to where these boundaries were discerned, i.e. a scholarly book or journal, preferably published by a university press. Do you remember exactly which source you used to create these borders in the map? Thanks.--PericlesofAthens (talk) 18:36, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Really simple : the Cambridge history of China, vol 6(?), Chap "Tang Taizong: The consolidator". I will add this information and [maybe] recreate the map in a better SVG version in the next months. Regards. Yug (talk) 18:39, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry that I hadn't yet seen your latest comments on my talk page when I added my latest comments to Village Pump; however, user talk-page comments are not instantaneously-received real-time communication -- and your edits to my Village Pump comments were still "sunbstantive", and I still would have objected to them... AnonMoos (talk) 15:48, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Je viens de me rendre compte que tu as beaucoup dégradé la carte (couleur de bordure ; contour). Cordialement STyx (talk) 23:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yug

I didn't understood well your purposes. I'm intersted mainly to write articles about our life project in italian Wikipedia and I think that pictures and diagrams are very important for give help to users. But I'm a bad photographer. I enjoy painting with Gimp and Inkscape so, when I cannot take a photo I try to draw an image to improve contents of my articles. I'm very busy in it.wiki project because I'm a writer and sysop, so I can offer very small time in Commons. If I can help for something I try to do my part but it's too hard in that moment. Greetings --gian_d (talk) 00:14, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

About SVGs, I think it's very important choosing light colors as green and yellow, which are not hard to read. But it isn't easy choose a good color in foreground to get an enough contrast: red lines are not good because they aren't in contrast with yellow and green, black or dark blue are better but there is the problem that they confuse with drawing lines in the pictures.

Your macro scale is a good idea, so I think to use it in the future: p.a., yesterdays I've loaded a drawing of Image:Bocydium globulare.jpg, a small treehopper very curious. Drawing and macros are not useful without a scale: people can think that this treehopper are big insect, but it's very small and it isn't longer than 4 mm!

Another idea could be to load also original works in GIMP format structured with layers: see the difference between the Image:Bocydium globulare.jpg and Image:Bocydium globulare.xcf. The first is the final work, resized and with some filter applied, but it isn't good to improve it. The second is not a good file because has a bad layout and it is not supported by Web browsers, but other users can begin from it to improve the draw. Are you agree? greetings --gian_d (talk) 17:34, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

.xcf VS .jpg with history : I technically agree, but encourage user to work in xcf and to upload both .jpg and .xcf will not work. People contribute mainly to see their work quickly available. The old layout is not interesting for them, they will not waste time to provide them. Keep an xcf duplicata is not convenient enough. The best would be that Wikipedia (ImageMagic) understand .xcf, that's not the case.

SVG: yeap, I'm aware of this color issue. I think the best way is to pick up colors from previous good SVG, by example those from user:LadyofHats.

Macro: yeap, the scale is need. If you make some try, say me is it difficult for you to print an SVG ? should I provide a PDF instead of the current SVG ? are the dots soft enough ? etc. Each comments is helpful.

After, my opinion is that we have enough "free photographies" (free view, natural background) on wikipedia. But we also should have some technical photography => neutral white/black background + good view + scale , which them can allow accurate descriptions/recognition.

NB: I can add the scale myself to an image if you state the body's size of a pictured insect.

So, yeap, I agree, but we are limited in our technological tools. Afterwhat, I will try to do my best to provide helpful tutorial and "SVG tool boxes". We will see that in the next 6 months ;) Yug (talk) 19:19, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

D-Kuru (talk) 18:58, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--KSiOM(Talk) 14:01, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome :-) Platonides (talk) 20:37, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1. http://hichannel.hinet.net/
2. http://www.bcc.com.tw/prmcast.asp#
3. http://hitoradio.im.tv/showtime/onair_2.php#

Thank you, of course it is nothing compared to your beautiful works.   ■ MMXX^talk  05:18, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

abf /talk to me/ 12:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I removed Mongolia from two maps you created, Image:Map-Chinese Characters.png and Image:Map-Chinese World.png.

The reason in the case of the character map is that it is simply factually inaccurate - usage of Chinese characters for writing Mongolian was no more than marginal, by no means as significant as in Vietnam. There may exist some documents of Mongolian language written in Chinese characters (I personally know only of the Secret History of the Mongols, whose transcription into Chinese characters was most likely only done during the compilation of the official history of the Yuan Dynasty, i.e. after 1368), but the usual system for writing Mongolian has always been the so-called Uighur script, which is not related to Chinese characters.

My motive with that Greater China Map is more NPOV. I am aware that there may be no really clear-cut definition, but certainly at least most Mongolians would react quite strongly to being included in a "Chinese World". Also I wonder what is the basis for including Mongolia, but not, say, Nepal or Laos or Burma or countries with a large population of overseas Chinese like Malaysia or Indonesia. Yaan (talk) 16:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yug,

Sorry to bother you again about the COM:SOP. I was just going through the sources pages and looking what was available. Apart from the stuff on Commons:CJK stroke order:Sources there are a few user pages of yours that also contain links and information. These are User:Yug/Sources, User:Yug/Stroke order according to national rules and User:Yug/Stroke order2.

I'd be interested in localising the information so that they'd be more easily updated. Are these links that you'd specifically like to have in their current form on your user sub-pages? I'm going to copy those that I reckon might be useful to the sources page, but wanted to ask you if you wanted to were interested in having a hand in the process and even replace the links on your sub-pages with a reference to the SOP sources page, rather than having duplicate reference pages in several places.

Thanks, --Swift (talk) 06:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Yug,

I noticed you had User:Yug/Sources deleted. I found a few of the many links on that page interesting, though not necessarily of all that much value for this project. Was the content on this page really redundant? Might it be worth while to ask an admin to temporarily restore the page or just send me the page contents? --Swift (talk) 17:34, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No redundant, simply not reliable. The reliable sources are already on Commons:Stroke Order Project/Sources

1. the Taiwanese ministery website ; 2. no need website for japan, since the rule is "follow logic and for unclear cases do as you want" ; 3. the Mainland order is widely display on the web, I though that the Commons:Stroke Order Project/Sources page already have its favorite mainland source.

The page have been delete by Túrelio , you are free to ask him to restore the page, and to move the page to your user space. Yug (talk) 17:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Silk-like icons user:Newresid

Spelling: "Manchuria", "SoutherN", "margINS", "had widely copIED and adaptED Chinese" (not "Chineses").

Also, "Heart" should be "heartland",and the word "seized" can have negative connotations... AnonMoos (talk)

Noticed, thanks for your kind corrections. --Yug (talk) 12:02, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yug, sorry that my French is not good enough to write to you in that language; i have also my troubles in English, but I want to tell you: You made really fine svg-pictures of Chinese calligraphy; they would be even better if you correct 2 small items.

At Image:Chinese calligraphy scheme 03-en.svg it might be better to write "beginner" instead of "begginer" - it is wrong that way twice.

At Image:Chinese calligraphy scheme 02-en.svg the looking of the seal image (at the foot of the seal) should be seen as from a mirror. This may be a lot of work to do in SVG. Much easier will be to write "foot" instead of "feet", if you agree that this is more correct.

Good luck with your further work & images! Sarang (talk) 17:18, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They are, indeed very nice. Further text suggestions on Image:Chinese calligraphy scheme 03-en.svg:

"gridded for beginners"

"Traditionally, Chinese calligraphy is written in columns from left to right"

"The main text is in one particular style, while the stamp area often uses an ancient style (such as Xiaozhuan) with writing in smaller characters."

"A red signature stamp appears at the end of the page."

"Stamp area: author's name, the date and signature stamp

I'm personally no big fan of Camel Caps such as in Image:Chinese calligraphy scheme 02-en.svg, but both images are really good enough for these comments to be unnecessary. They do an excellent job of illustrating their point. Thanks again for your hard work. --Swift (talk) 06:36, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know. ;) -- Yug (talk) 16:53, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese calligraphy scheme 02-en.svg

=> The seal foot should be seen as from a mirror. :  Done

2. feet => "foot" :  Done (declined or explain more, since "one feet, 2 foot" if I remember my English teachers' words.)

Oh no, it is just the contrary, believe wiktionary: singular is foot, and plural is feet. Sarang (talk) 13:00, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh... O.ó ... Damn... I will correct it soon. Yug (talk) 15:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done, thanks for your corrections. -- Yug (talk) 11:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese calligraphy scheme 03-en.svg

 Done

All done, except one (declined, see below).

=> "gridded for beginners"

=> "Traditionally, Chinese calligraphy is written in columns from left to right"

=> "The main text is in one particular style, while the stamp area often uses an ancient style (such as Xiaozhuan) with writing in smaller characters."

=> "A red signature stamp appears at the end of the page." =>> DECLINED, I had kept "A red stamp end the page", since : 1. I'm limited in space ; 2. the "stamp=signature" is explain in the "Stamp area" notice.

Hi Yug, if you write "A red stamp ends the page", it will fit into the space and will follow the English rule that requires an "s" in that case for verbs in 3rd person. It means the same as e.g. "A red stamp is ending the page" but fits better into your space.

As I just see, "Each character fits within a virtual square." is the same case with missing "s". --Sarang (talk) 11:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

=> "Stamp area: author's name, the date and signature stamp"

All is fixed, thanks for your corrections. -- Yug (talk) 11:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

China-Historic macro areas.svg

 Done

=> "Manchuria",

=> "SoutherN",

=> "margINS",

=> "had widely copIED and adaptED Chinese"

"Heart" => "heartland"

"seized" (negative) => conquest

I added "never firmly control" All is fixed, thanks for your corrections. -- Yug (talk) 11:06, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Salut,
Comme tu n'as pas donné de nouvelles sur l'Atelier graphique pour l'importation, j'ai uploadé l'image modifiée sous le nom "Dorcus parallelipipedus 6views", j'espère que ça te convient, sinon fais-moi signe ;) Ah oui, et si tu pouvais peut-être étoffer la description du fichier (licence sinon suppression, légende, catégories, etc...) ce serait cool, merci :) Karta24 (talk) 17:28, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yug, mon ami, I have been away from Wikipedia for many months, and I see that you posted a request on my Talk page: User_talk:MapMaster#Historical_map_review_need. Do you still need help?

My apologies for the slow response. MapMaster (talk) 22:07, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, since I didn't upload that file (but instead had already tagged it myself!), I wonder why you notified me... which tool did you use for the notification? Lupo 12:39, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, no problem. I just wondered if we had some JS tool somewhere that by mistake would notify the last person who edited the page, instead of the last uploader. Lupo 15:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yug,

User:Multichill told me you asked for this file to be moved from File:占-jorder.gif. None of the traditional/simplified Chinese lists links to any of File:占-order.gif^links File:占-bw.png^links Category:占^links while the Japanese do. Is it also a Chinese character? Is the it correct as a Chinese stroke order? --Swift (talk) 07:21, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

占占 [zhan1] /divine/

The former structure was to put every thing in -order.gif (including character which are only found in Japan, Vietnam, etc), and then duplicata with a 2nd specific stroke order in their need place : -torder.gif, or -jorder.gif .

If you have change this strategy, big sorry, I was not aware.

Some check point statements:

• I stopped to work on the SO project also because we have NOT the tools to manage a such database : 1. renaming, uploading, deletion stay frankly difficult and time consuming (and that got worse with time -___- ); 2. a protected table write by an identifiable 'expert' is need to confirm or deny the existence of a specific stroke order, 3. and this table should also state the existence/absence of all need files on commons.
• The Wenlin institute have done, in SVG format, the cuting of 50.000 characters, since assisted by specially coded programs helping to do so. This SVG may easely produce ALL the stroke order project just by some few scripts. In sum: they are Gods, and we are a bunch courageous cuty Cockroach ;__;
• Just, for fun, I still plan/hope to work on the SVG project, for the radicals... but nothing is sure, since It's a complex work to be done in a strickly coded style, by one trustable user alone,... and that I'm frankly tired -___-

Sorry for the bad news. Yug (talk) 10:00, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I just noticed Commons talk:Stroke Order Project/Roadmap‎ by yourself (Swift) and Tauwasser. So much enthusiasm encourage me to restart my SVG work. I will set a new SVG tuto this sunday ! See you. Yug (talk) 00:28, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great! :-D I'll put up a link to direct any potential collaborators your way. --Swift (talk) 03:30, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

After some input from the Village Pump I decided to change the setup a bit, putting all variants up at their own name or a redirect to a shared character. As long as the character has that simplified stroke order, there's no problem.

I had already become aware of the limitations of managing a wiki based database of these images (thank god Commons:Rename is coming soon to an admin near you). I'd actually considered constructing an off-Commons interface to handle these. For now, I'm just trying to organise the existing content. For verification, I was inspired by the stroke order code in the Kangxi radical progress lists. None of it is guaranteed, but this is a wiki after all.

I had also found mentions of the Wenlin software, but it doesn't run natively on Linux so I haven't actually seen their images. I also assume that they don't have the Japanese styles. Would you recommend officially retiring or freezing part of the project?

The project still has useful content (you guys did some really great work). The kana have complete sets of BW images and the bopomofo are nearly complete in both BW and red gradients. I started my work here largely for the sake of the b:Japanese wikibook. It is still very basic so there is no need for a complete set of characters. Confirming which of the existing characters have proper Japanese orders should provide us with a nice starter set. Editing images with slight variations shouldn't be too difficult, either. --Swift (talk) 03:30, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Interest: Yes, sure, the commons PNG-gif SO project stay interesting for wikipedia, but is definitively limited (no tools->no time ; + no trustable).

Limiting the scope: I would recommend to limit the work on the radicals ONLY (bw;order;red) [+ then the 1000 most used characters ONLY (bw)].

Afterwhat->SVG?: Afterwhat, to make an infinitively expandable database, no way: we have to switch to SVG, embeded SVG technology, protected table databases, and leave commons to work on our own PC (files easy to edit & rename, not vandalisable work).

If I remember well, the only way to make a good/perfect work is ONE USER ALONE converting the full set of radicals into strokes based SVG. But I will rethink this SVG project Sunday [=I have free time sunday]: a clear tutorial may [maybe] allow a collaboration with other trusted users.

Bye~ Yug (talk) 13:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Trustable": Do you have concerns about this beyond how dependable wikis are?

Limiting the scope: I'll pass this on. Is there a reason for the 1000 character cutoff? Is that just an arbitrary number to limit the scope to something manageable?

"Afterwhat, to make an infinitively expandable database, no way": Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean.

SVG: Right now, I'm currently just interested in organisation and accessibility of the available content (largely for the wikibook). I do, however, fully support the push for SVGs. About two and a half years back when I was playing around with SVGs, I looked into making stroke order graphics, but got sidetracked before getting anywhere. I was especially interested in the idea of creating a semi-automatic system to generate these graphics files.

What is it about the work that makes it a single-contributor task? I would think that with SVGs it should be even less of a problem than with the bitmapped formats. For better or worse, I doubt there will be too many demanding to share the burden.

I'm looking forward to hearing from you after Sunday. Have a good weekend. --Swift (talk) 14:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable: Yeap, the reliable issue is a concern for me. (I have wiki-grow up :] )

1.000 ?: the radicals say almost EVERY THINGS on stroke order. But, in case, lets go for the 1000 first too (M4RC0 already done 1.300, there are just some holes)

English: "Afterwhat, to make an infinitively expandable database, [we have] no [other] way [that] to go on other technologies (SVG....)"

SVG alone: ALL the SVGs will have to be correctly coded to allow later script convertions. This ask that only trustable users work on this project, with an leader to check one by one the code of the files. Previously, I was the only one able + wishing to do so. Moreover, collaboration may request more time consuming talks that the help that will provide. -> I will likely have to work alone.

SVG database : I will also think about an new database, probably such as :

沾 [D-D-T-S-H-S-HZ-H] {aaabbccc} (a) \bc\
Hanzi [stroke decomposition] {radical decomposition} (ethimologic part) \phonetic part\

But I have to think about en:brain fuck cases such 我，識，成 (the H is a merge of 2 ancient H, and sementically belong to 2 radicals 手 AND 戈)

Anyway ! I have to sleep and I will talk about this sunday ! See you Yug (talk) 16:08, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is nice to see you back to this family. I have not been active as I used to be since I would have to work hard to get a seat of bachelor's degree. However, I would like to give you assistance if you request any. Just send me email if you want. Do put it down and relax if you think it makes you suffocate. Best wishes, Chanueting (talk) 14:40, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would like you to give some advice on the missing radicals on Commons_talk:Ancient_Chinese_characters/214_radicals. Thank you. Chanueting (talk) 09:51, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are right, you could notice that I am not as active as I used to be. I do want to put down our projects on Commons. However, I still could not find one to continue our works. Well, relax! Do what you like, put effort on some wiki projects if and only if you are out of work. We should spend more time outdoor instead of sitting in front of the stupid machines. Get out of time killing wiki works! There are many beautiful things at our sides. Happy Lunar New Year. Chanueting (talk) 14:19, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, Yug!

Thanks a lot for contributing to the Wikimedia Commons! Here's a tip to make your uploads more useful: Why not add some categories to describe them? This will help more people to find and use them.

Here's how:

1) If you're using the UploadWizard, you can add categories to each file when you describe it. Just click "more options" for the file and add the categories which make sense:

2) You can also pick the file from your list of uploads, edit the file description page, and manually add the category code at the end of the page.

[[Category:Category name]]

For example, if you are uploading a diagram showing the orbits of comets, you add the following code:

[[Category:Astronomical diagrams]]

[[Category:Comets]]

This will make the diagram show up in the categories "Astronomical diagrams" and "Comets".

When picking categories, try to choose a specific category ("Astronomical diagrams") over a generic one ("Illustrations").

Thanks again for your uploads! More information about categorization can be found in Commons:Categories, and don't hesitate to leave a note on the help desk.

BotMultichillT 06:27, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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I have read the site you have shown me. However, the site seems not to be release copyright as CC licenses instead of a questionnaire. I would like to send the official a mail to inquire the license the department is using. Chanueting (talk) 16:06, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again, Yug. I was just wondering if you had any recollection (or even a link to) where you found the frequency list that Commons:Stroke Order Project/Simplified Chinese progress (see the page history for previous names) is based on? --Swift (talk) 04:20, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You can select the 6 first and look for in google ;)

I copied this list there, BUT, I noticed that this list seems wrong compare other list, my list miss 8 character every 35 characters. --Yug (talk) 07:38, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You mean, select the six most commonly used characters in the Chinese language and google them? Really? Neither this nor that gave me much better results.

Sorry for bothering you with seemingly trivial questions. Given how much work you put into this project, I figured you might have weighed a few different options when deciding on which source to use for the list. Positively identifying the source would be difficult as lists may contain errors and aren't static. Rather than waste time duplicating your work, I thought it best to ask you first. No worries. It's not a big deal. --Swift (talk) 08:16, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This actually gives some results, but this is hardly high enough on my to-do list to look into that now. --Swift (talk) 08:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking to this, I was unclear, sorry. But this list being corrupted, I need to look for a better source. Yug (talk) 16:25, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed the to-do list you added to the project talk page. Do you have a particular reason why you placed it there rather than add it to the Commons:Stroke Order Project/Roadmap?

My preference for the roadmap is that it has its own talk page for discussion about specific items. Simple to-do lists tend to be terse and useful only for those who know what they are about. As there are a lot of things to be done on this project, I feel they deserve a full page onto themselves.

I've added a few items that you mentioned on the road-map. I left out:

• Gamy's images: They will get deleted in due course.
• Updating SOlicense: Might as well go on Template:SOlicense.

Take care. Nice to see you back on the project. Looking forward to hearing from you on the SVG front. --Swift (talk) 08:04, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This page aim to list the "maintenance task" we have to do, and, also, show that the SO project need an admin. See you Yug (talk) 10:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Do you have a particular reason why maintenance tasks are better placed there than the road-map, for example? --Swift (talk) 11:01, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's not the project progression, so that can be separate. But that can be together too. I no more the main user on the SO project, so feel free to do what you think best. Moreover, I often edit too quickly, without being aware of new pages you create. i.e., for this case, I was aware of the roadmap page, but had never read it completely. Looking at it again, I notice that you already have include such "maintenance/correction" tasks. Sorry for my mistake. don't hesitate to revert me.

I still think a todo list should appear in the project main talkpage. It may be interesting to divide the road maps into "Important key points and <noinclude>all other points</noinclude>", which will allow to use the road map page as a todo template to display in the main talk page.

Don't hesitate to revers me directly when you notice a misleading edit I did.

Regards, Yug (talk) 11:23, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I hope these insects weren't already identified, but...

• File:Yug?1.jpg is a Robber fly, most likely, though hard to identify, is Proctacanthus brevipennis.
• File:Yug?1.svg is a field cricket, Gryllus campestris, I bred this species myself.
• File:Yug?2.jpg & File:Yug?3.jpg are eaither house flies or face flies.
• File:Yug4.jpg might be Campiglossa genalis, but I can't tell for sure.
• file:Yug5.jpg is a Wolf Spider (Hogna carolinensis).

If you want to that me, do so on my talk from my wikipedia page, bugboy52.4,

Bugboy52.4 (talk) 19:50, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it wasn't hanja I wanted to contribute to, but actually Hangeul characters. I was wanting to do some animated images showing the stroke order. As far as Hanja, I assume it's the same stroke order as traditional(old style) Chinese no? I'm half Korean btw, not full but I've been here in Korea studying. My project is at http://www.koreanwikiproject.com/wiki/ and I figured I could contribute to the stroke order project as well, as long as I feel I can make the images as good as the other people.

By the way I saw some of the images you posted and they look awesome. Bluesoju (talk) 02:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I replied to you on my discussion page Bluesoju (talk) 06:13, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merci pour le lien ! Mon problème est résolu, mais je sens que je vais bientôt avoir de nouveau besoin des spécialistes. Pruneau^talk 12:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Yug, I made an image for a Korean character, but it's probably not up to the Stroke Order Project standards yet, so I was hoping you could let me know how to better improve it so that I might submit some characters in the future. http://www.koreanwikiproject.com/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Giuk_stroke.gif

Please reply on my page. I have already asked Swift to do the same.

Thanks Bluesoju (talk) 15:51, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's nice for a start ! note that :

• you can still improve a little, for this, look slowly at Micheletb work, and talk with him.
• file should be name : ㄱ-order.gif
• you can use images from en:Hangeul#Stroke_order to help you, or create ㄱ-bw.png images as well

Cheer,

Yug (talk) 17:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply. I am currently talking to Micheletb right now and trying to get some advice from him on how to make mine better and more suitable for the project. It's pretty sad two sections for images for Hiragana and Katakana are done, yet theirs only 1 character done for Hangeul. Somebody's gotta do it right? So I guess that's another reason why i'd like to contribute once I get my images looking better.

Also about the reply from the professor, this week was finals week for them, so I should get a reply in the next few days hopefully. I'll keep you up to date. Bluesoju (talk) 09:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. What was wrong with Commons:Rename rather than Commons:Rename Image? I would note that the feature isn't merely for moving images so simply calling the page Commons:Rename (or similar) would seem preferable. Adambro (talk) 11:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do as you want. We are on wiki. The function is, If I'm correct, name "Rename Image". Yug (talk) 16:55, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yug I think what you're doing is really great. It can be very useful to know a foriegn language, even if you only know a tiny bit. Keep up the good work Fireandearth (talk) 20:13, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the support... I still try to get some collaborators: I fill pretty lonely on this project.~ You encouragements are welcome ! Yug (talk) 20:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What do you means by "spacing" issue ? Yug (talk) 13:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please compare PNG (rendered with Inkscape) and SVG version. Just below big lake in center, there is a mountain range - хребет Азутау. Letter spacing is different in PNG (as in Inkscape) and SVG (in Firefox there is not letter spacing, also this text is not rendered in preview in commons). Thank you --Mikhail2009 (talk) 20:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for fixing its size, I have no idea why Illustrator makes it so huge. As you noticed I've also reorganised and added several other symbols (Channels and mountain passes). Though there might be a little problem here now, the words are broken into separate letters, and it'll be impossible to drag and edit them later. And in general the whole file is just a complete frustration for me, I can't figure out why while I am using the same fonts, they actually turn out different (Pacific ocean and Тихий океан). Several symbols just won't stay in their places and jump around (city marks, Jewish buildings symbol). --Ahnode (talk) 18:16, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, you created Template:Full. What's this template good for? --Slomox (talk) 15:57, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I'll proceed to update the translation... I was wondering how a pig will feel nausea :P Kindly, Linfocito B | Greetings from Colombia! 23:40, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi,

From the original:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Katakana_origine.png

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I noticed a few mistakes:

The last (bottom) stroke in the top radical in the kana for "sa" in the svg is highlighted red. That is incorrect

"te" also has a problem: the length of the descending left stroke between the horizontal strokes are highlighted red. This is also incorrect. Can you amend the svg, upload, replace, delete the links to the files in the corresponding articles (wikipedia and anywhere else), and copypasta? Thanks.174.3.103.39 04:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/Gallery.php?wikifam=commons.wikimedia.org&img_user_text=Stlemur

The image Chinese_calligraphy_scheme_03-en.svg contains an error. It says that characters are written in columns from left to right. It should be right to left. Asoer (talk) 04:25, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Correction done, not yet upload. --Yug (talk) 17:04, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oops. I didn't see this. I made some corrections and uploaded a new version already. Feel free to revert. Asoer (talk) 00:45, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Somehow it's not appearing right. I assume you'll take care of it with your upload. Asoer (talk) 22:23, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Do also: increase, decrease size. Yug (talk) 17:10, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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--GabrielVelasquez (talk) 20:26, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Hunchong tujian >1400 especes / photos / nom en latin / description chinoise
• http://www.tesri.gov.tw/english/E_species.asp
• http://www.gio.gov.tw/info/ecology/English/bow_e/butterfly_e/butterfly_e.htm
• http://taiwanflora.sinica.edu.tw/en/en_1.htm
• http://www.camacdonald.com/birding/asiataiwan.htm
• http://digiarch.sinica.edu.tw/en_index.jsp
• http://gaga.jes.mlc.edu.tw/9701bx/in94.htm lplus petits insectes / nom et leur classification (parfois douteuse)

• http://taibnet.sinica.edu.tw/
• http://gaga.jes.mlc.edu.tw/new23/cp021.htm
• http://freebsd.tspes.tpc.edu.tw/~afu/

I noticed that you are progressing animations, vector animations and that these are preferred. I have GIMP but am only a novice user. I am wanting to create animations for Tibetan letters and ligatures and maybe words. I would appreciate any advice you may give me because I am flying blind.
Cheers
B9 hummingbird hovering (talk) 08:31, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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BD is only in France and Belgium I think. In Italy they are fumetto, Germany has its own comic-culture too (I think), but its not that important. I don't know whats the Situation in Spain. Maybe you should only tag France, Belgium and Italy. Greetings --Don-kun (talk) 10:17, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! There are two incorrect stroke orders in the image. メ and ヲ. The correct stroke order is [1] and [2]. It would be grateful if you could upload an image with correct strokes. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 06:25, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, forget about my request. The image was fixed. See this. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 14:20, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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This, that and the other (talk) 10:36, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjour Yug, may be you can help. Chanueting is asking me something but I do not understand him; it seems he dislikes the assignement of traditional radicals to a counting system — but may be as well he wants something else. I would like to help & satisfy him, but first I need to check what he wants really. Can you understand his problem? -- sarang♥사랑 16:24, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Could you please have a look at this article? The map shows the red dot in the wrong place. Its supposed to be within Canada. You may verify via Google Earth. I thought you may need to know since you contributed to the image. Kind regards. Rehman⁽⁺⁾ 10:35, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Quibik (talk) 14:11, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjour Yug, Je te propose de voir ensemble les quelques améliorations à apporter à ton set.

• Texte inclus dans les images : j'ai repéré des coquilles, mais pour te les signaler de façon commode, pourrais-tu ouvrir une page de brouillon et y verser le texte inclus dans chacune des image ? Tout compris : les titres, les légendes, les commentaires.
• Liens  Done : il y a des liens inopérants ou ne menant pas au contenu attendu dans la partie "source", cf. par exemple les liens n°1 et 4 des sources image pour File:East Asian calligraphy scheme 04-en.svg
• Categorisation  Done : il faudrait créer la Category:East Asian calligraphy tools (NB : la catégorie en rouge de tes images comporte une coquille, elle est au singulier et il la faudrait au pluriel comme ici proposé), puis y verser tes images (et les autres images de Commons pouvant entrer dans cette nouvelle catégorie), tout en retirant les catégories devenant redondantes. Je te donnerai ici aussi un coup de main au besoin.

--Myrabella (talk) 23:02, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

J'ai changé une des catégories parentes de la nouvelle Category:East Asian calligraphy tools => Category:Calligraphy of East Asia au lieu de Category:Chinese calligraphy. Remarque : je pense qu'il ne faudrait pas insérer la partie "Four Treasures of the Study - labeled SVG diagrams" dans le texte de la page de catégorie elle-même. Pour la clarté de la navigation et de la recherche, mieux vaut ne pas mélanger ainsi catégories et galeries. De plus, la page présentant cette série y est bien signalée et facilement accessible. Par ailleurs, je vais sans doute te soumettre quelques images à verser dans la nouvelle catégorie.

Pour les coquilles, je vais voir ce que je peux faire (soit te les signaler une par une, soit tester Inkscape que je ne connais pas), mais j'aurais bien aimé faire relire à la fin par un contributeur de langue maternelle anglaise aussi. En tout cas, je vais regarder. --Myrabella (talk) 14:45, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sur ma PDD dans fr:WP, tu trouveras les remarques d'Azurfrog, que j'avais sollicité :-) Je t'en signale une en particulier : "Les appeler East Asian calligraphy tools est en effet trop large : j'aurais dit Chinese-based calligraphy tools" => plus de détails sur ma PDD française. (A suivre !) --Myrabella (talk) 18:15, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Je te propose de fermer cette nomination pour le moment, le temps de voir les remarques de Yug et les coquilles, quand tu seras dispo (j'espère que tout se passe bien pour toi en cette période d'exams ! Je te souhaite le meilleur). Tu pourras la renommer bien sûr, peut-être avec le "scope" proposé par Azurforg, mais je suppose que cela mérite discussion. --Myrabella (talk) 04:31, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This message was added automatically by Nikbot, if you need some help about it, ask its master (Filnik) or go to the Commons:Help desk. --Filnik 18:00, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Yug,

Thanks for your tireless work on stroke order!

Your recent upload/correction to File:所-bw.png appears to be broken – the file does not render for me:

File:所-bw.png

Perhaps you could fix / re-upload, or revert to the old one?

Thanks!

—Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 00:20, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The former file was misleading.

My corrective file was -I don't know why- broken.

I just drawn it once more, and reuploaded it.

 Done : now ok (See: File:所-bw.png), correct, and no bug. ; ] Yug (talk) 11:17, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Yug!

BTW, might these stroke orders both be used, but this be a traditional (yours) vs. simplified (old) distinction?

I ask because the difference I see is:

• the old file draws the left stroke 丿 fourth (as in File:户-order.gif: ) – character 户 (simplified?)
• the current file (yours) draws the left stroke 丿 second (as in File:戶-order.gif: ) – character 戶 (traditional?).

In other words, both orders are used in variant characters (戶 vs. 户), so perhaps both orders are used (as variants) for this character (所)?

I’m no expert on this – is the above analysis correct?

Thanks!

—Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 21:36, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

户 have two variants: 户 & 戶.

• : From what I remember , 所 (specifically) use 戶 in both mainland (Simp) and Taiwan (trad). But I haven't immediate access to mainland's standard. With 戶, the stroke order is VERY LIKELY Pie-Pie-Hengzhe-Heng
• : M4RC0 was working based on Japanese sources (see image on the right

  

  ), and there, Japanese may use 户. With 户, the stroke order is VERY LIKELY DIAN-Hengzhe-Heng-PIE.

Yug (talk) 11:02, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OIC – that makes sense (M4RC0 confused Japanese stroke order with Chinese form). Thanks for fixing this, and your explanation – I’ve included both your images at English Wiktionary: 所!

—Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 20:42, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again Yug!

(That was quick.)

While looking at en:wikt:美, I noticed that you had (correctly) moved File:美-bw.png to File:美-jbw.png, because it had the Japanese stroke order.

However, a redirect was left behind, so if someone requests the (Chinese) stroke order, they are given the Japanese one, and may be mislead. (This is a problem on Wiktionary b/c if a stroke order file exists, we assume it is accurate. No crisis – I’ve the static Japanese order, and animated Chinese one, but this is a little confusing w/o the static Chinese one.)

If it’s not too much trouble, perhaps you could either:

• create a correct File:美-bw.png (hopefully easy for you – I’m no expert on creating these stroke order images), or
• delete the redirect (in the meantime).

Thanks!

—Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 21:52, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello M. Yug, My name is Rita Neves. I work in Câmara Municipal de Lisboa, that is a Public Organism in Portugal. Actually, we are working on a road book of Biodiversity of Lisbon, for which we are going to produce a panel and a brochure. We found your photos on Wikimedia Commons and liked specially one of them very much, so we would like to know if you could allow us to use your photos, for free, to publish on this project, knowing that the brochure of will be for free distribution to everyone. The photo, on Public Domain, we would like to use are the following:

Hyla meridionalis

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hyla_meridionalis_01.jpg

The brochure will have four brackets. - Broochura a pocket to take the route - A brochure to present the day of inauguration - Schedules for species identification - Panels that will be fixed in the Land

As i said the Free Access will be everything :)

We like to refer your name in the bibliografy but we need to know what´s the name you want on the bibliography? Yug? If it´s possible please respond to ritasoraia2001 for hotmail com or rita.neves for cm-lisboa pt

Thank you very much. Our best regards

Rita Neves

Hi Yug,

See my answer at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Stroke_Order_Project#Alternative_method_for_showing_stroke_order. Sorry for the delay! Dragice (talk) 15:37, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I'm developing a web application for teaching learning to read/write Chinese. Your stroke order SVG is exactly what I need (though I'm converting to XAML) for a drawing tool. I'm curious if you are planning to put out an update any time soon, and if not, how you would like me to contribute back any modifications I will need to make.

Also, I'm making one xaml per radical, do you know what the best way to make them available, I was thinking I would just make them available for download with a reference back to your project.

Thanks so much for making this available!

user:Matelich

Please provide your contacts Yug (talk) 07:41, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yug,

I was just cleaning up some of the Chinese character animations, and noted an old category, the morder files. There were only two of these, both created by you, namely:

• File:學-morder.gif
• File:問-morder.gif

These show different orders than the usual ones:

• File:學-order.gif
• File:問-order.gif

Here’s how I understand it:

I assume “m” stands for “modern”, but AFAIK, the standard we’re using is that order (by itself) means “modern”, so there is no need for a morder category. Traditional stroke orders use torder, so if there are two orders (modern and traditional), they should be order + torder. There is also an aorder for alternative orders that are not just modern or traditional.

I have thus moved the morder files to aorder because I don’t know exactly where they should go; the files are now order + aorder (rather than order + morder).

If the morder files should instead be the default (and the current order files are instead the traditional order), we could move these as aorder → order, order → torder.

For your reference, here’s what we currently have:

• 學 Order: 學 Aorder:
• 問 Order: 問 Aorder:

Options:

• Does it look ok as it is?
• …or should I move aorder to order and order to torder?
• …or maybe switch order to aorder and aorder to order?
• …or am I confused and should I do something else?

Thanks!

—Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 13:11, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Morder is the application of Mordern rules to traditional graphs. That's NOT a standards, that's when main china people write traditionnal characters, that's a mislading, but sometimes seen practice. Accordingly, aorder is, yes, better. Thanks for your initiative ;) Yug (talk) 13:29, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OIC – thanks for explaining (and for making these), and no problem!

(I’ve added a note on the pages of these animations to explain this.)

—Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 17:16, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Saw, nice initiative ;) Yug (talk) 06:29, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

is it possible to add an 's on the end of American..should read American's and European's boats

Please comment there. --Leyo 18:52, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, there are several people myself included who would really find regional maps of these very useful. The problem is the projection, being close to the pole. I wondered if you could make some maps of these?80.3.26.54 12:46, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, thanks for your advices I really appreciate people

• Static schematic maps and interactive maps at once. I observed my behavior - when I see on wikipedia or travel blog schematic map and I am interested in it I try to recreate such route on Google Maps to get more details about surrounding areas etc. It takes time. For example look at Pony Express map - it took long time for me to recreate Pony Express trail based on this historical map. On commons page you can click ShareMap link to navigate and zoom same route on interactive map. This part of project is ready and can be used on wikipedia

• Creation of map animations, there is no good tool to create educational map animations in simple manner. The problem with wikipedia is that there is no good animation standard that can be used. Flash is not allowed on wikipedia as closed standard, PNG animations are obsolete and HTML5 animation are still at early phase. Example of such animation - creation of roman roads netword, timeframe 1000 years. (not ready yet)

• Overlaying topographic and allowing user to georeference interesting points and recreate map in vector format. For example if user want to create wikiarticle - Quseir narrow gauge mining railways this map will be very useful for him. (work in progress, will be completed soon)

• ShareMap page is and will remain free for those who wants to publish on Creative Commons license
• ShareMap page eventually may introduce paid service for people who wants to develop maps and embeed into their pages on proptriery license.
• ShareMap page eventually may introduce ads on pages (but not on maps!) to handle server costs
• ShareMap page will include donation option.
• ShareMapLib which is core of ShareMap service can be licensed to be used in commercial projects (and now this is main source of revenue that finaces free section)

• We are working on mechanism that will allow runtime importing tracks and shapes from OSM
• ShareMap goal is not designed to be global mapping solution like OSM, however in the future it may be used to create complete OSM-like maps for historical data. At some point maybe Mapnik renderer will be used. Currently I am working on creation map of Warsaw street plan for year 1939, (basing on printed plan) (Warsaw was completly destroyed during WWII so street grid is totally different today) - overlaying street old grid on top of new grid (rendered by OSM) seeems to be interesting.
• ShareMap can be used to things unsuitable for OSM - historical map, animated maps. For examaple we thing that if you are going to create now dismatled New York defunct tramway network map, ShareMap will be suitable tool.

• Natural Earth is amazing data source of gis data on public domain license
• SHP files it is rather difficault for begginers -
• Some data from NE is already imported to ShareMap library (country borders in two scales)
• In future more data will be imported - rivers, lakes

You are right that currently there are few graphical functions - the software is still in beta

Thanks for informations about discussion group, I will join it and ask community for suggestions. Waiting for your comments - if your prefer write at contactsharemap.org.

--ShareMap (talk) 12:13, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for your reply - at this moment my business model is rather stable. What I need now is feedback from community - when you will have more time please write me an email. contactsharemap.org. --ShareMap (talk) 10:40, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, you participated in a deletion request at Commons:Deletion requests/Wikipe-tan lolicon (2007-01-04). The same files are now being considered for undeletion at Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests#File:LoliWikipetan.jpg. If you're still around we'd appreciate your opinion and feedback. Thanks! Dcoetzee (talk) 23:11, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes you are right, that raster shaded relief is a good background for thematic and historic maps - I will examine how to create tiles with mercator projection using this software.

When I get tiles (like OSM tiles) integration with ShareMap.org will be very simple.

I think that you can add NORTAD dataset to your gis list - it has very good coverago of Mexico, US and canada railways and waterways. And it is published on license compatibile with Wiki Commons (US public domain). For experiments I imported NORTAD Canadian and Mexican railway routes into ShareMap and it looks very coverage. In some places coverage is better than OSM.

--ShareMap (talk) 22:32, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi I will be glad if you can give some more advices about generation of tiles for shaded relief. I think I have to avoid any desktop programs (like Gimp) and use only console one - then I will be able to run everything not on my personal computer but on the high performance server. Can you write me in short word as experienced in creating shaded relief

• Which dataset I should download (ETOPO1 Bedrock?)
• Which tool I should use to render relief (I think gdaldem)
• Do you know how can I replace GIMP with ImageMagick command?
• How can I result on multiple zoom level from 256x256 to 4096x4096 and split in tiles?

Sorry for basic question but I am begginer in raster map transformations --ShareMap (talk) 00:33, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello I solved most of problems and I think I will be able in week add new backgrounds to Sharemap, I think that about two backgrounds at beginning

• Hillshade with transparent background - this is easy, I followed your GIMP tutorial (I used Photoshop CS5.1 but effect is similar) and effect is fine
• Shadef relfief with hillshade on top - effect is almost fine but I am not sure how do two things.
  • How to show depression as depression not in blue like ocean?
  • How to show artctic and polar regions in white (with other palette) - I want to achieve similar effect that on Google Maps Terrain View

Can you share with me you your gdaldem shaded relief pallette? --ShareMap (talk) 21:39, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Un grand salut à toi Yug !

« L'archange cartographe est toujours là » !! LOL !! Merci, merci !! :D

Plus sérieusement, je suis là sans vraiment y être : vraiment pas beaucoup de temps à consacrer à WP en ce moment. J'en ai juste profité pour mettre à jour certaines cartes avec le Soudan du Sud parce que c'était assez rapide à faire mais je n'aurai pas le temps au moins durant le mois à venir de faire un travail plus en profondeur : cartes de géoloc de France, mieux voir ce que tu « trames » en GIS, voir ce qu'il en est de ShareMap... J'ai juste jeté un œil très très rapide sur ce dernier site, pas de quoi bien comprendre de quoi il en retourne exactement et me faire une opinion, donc j'attendrai d'avoir le temps pour me faire une idée et répondre au message que son auteur m'a laissé. Idem pour tes tutos avec QGIS : sur ce coup tu m'as devancé ! GRASS ne m'effraye pas, il m'énerve ! Donc il me semblait aussi judicieux de passer à un autre soft : QGIS qui semble avoir bien évolué ou peut-être aussi le récent SAGA GIS (mais qui ne tourne pas sur Mac). Mais encore une fois, je n'ai pas eu le temps de les installer et tester. Et par-dessus cela, un paragraphe GIS dans l'article cartographie que tu m'as demandé... il y a bien longtemps !!

Bref, je ne suis pas encore perdu pour la communauté, même si je suis peu actif par manque de temps !
Je serai aussi en France, en novembre-décembre, entre autres à Paris. Ce sera peut-être l'occasion de nous rencontrer !

À bientôt. Sting (talk) 17:07, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, this what I needed - QGis version, click 'show')

Can you tell me how you solve in QGis depression/water problem. I see that you commented depression from color map. The problem is visible for example at Aral Sea area (which are mostly depressions without water, but some part of lake contains water)

--ShareMap (talk) 19:16, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjour Yug, je vois que tu postules au Projet Phoebus, se dont je te remercie. Il y a une somme colossale de travail et donc tu serras bienvenu. Je vois que tu fais de bonnes photos et que tu es familier de COMMONS. L'idéal serait d'être toulousain... --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 06:33, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Je suis à Bayonne, j'espère passer dans l'année sur Toulouse, sourtout s'il est possible d'avoir un canapé sur lequel dormir. J'avais encouragé à monter des projets similaires dès 2006-2007 (insectes, musés d'anthomologies), mais celà n'avait pas pris. Je pense que le projet Phoebus gagnerait à ajouter quelques méthodes, comme la photographie sur fond milimétré, ou la création de Macro studio. Voir Commons:Macro. A bientot, et merci pour votre initiative de qualité ! Yug (talk) 16:08, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Macro encyclo tools

This macro picture was produce using one or more of the following specific encyclopedic tools: the Image:Macro A4.svg file, which when printed upon a A4 page, which provide: 1. a pre-cleaned up background ; 2. a scale all across the page. To use it: print it on an A4 page ; put your subject on your printed page ; shoot ; some tutorials for image improvement, some basic tutorials and free software to improve your photograph ; the Image:Macro scales.svg file: Following image improvements such as background clean up, add the scale ; the biologic naming conventions, to ease later download and scientific storage. And, of course, patience and time.

Ton éloignement géographique est un problème. Nous cherchons des partenaires locaux qui pourront avoir les compétences photographiques, et la connaissance de COMMONS. Les conditions de prise de vues sont difficiles, il faut amener son matériel. Il faut aussi qu’un conservateur soit présent avec toi pour manipuler les objets. Nous avons plusieurs candidats pour la rentrée.

Par contre il semble possible de faire une opération ponctuelle comme celle qui avait été faite pour la préhistoire, avec la minéralogie. Il faudrait pour être « utile » faire 2 à 3 jours de saisi non stop. Tout cela doit être prévu à l'avance. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 15:00, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:Robert_Fuller_affair,_2006.png has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues. Please remember to respond to and – if appropriate – contradict the arguments supporting deletion. Arguments which focus on the nominator will not affect the result of the nomination. Thank you! Afrikaans ∙ العربية ∙ беларуская ∙ беларуская (тарашкевіца) ∙ български ∙ ပအိုဝ်ႏဘာႏသာႏ ∙ বাংলা ∙ bosanski ∙ català ∙ čeština ∙ dansk ∙ Deutsch ∙ Deutsch (Sie-Form) ∙ Zazaki ∙ ދިވެހިބަސް ∙ Ελληνικά ∙ English ∙ Esperanto ∙ español ∙ eesti ∙ فارسی ∙ suomi ∙ français ∙ galego ∙ עברית ∙ hrvatski ∙ magyar ∙ հայերեն ∙ Bahasa Indonesia ∙ íslenska ∙ italiano ∙ 日本語 ∙ 한국어 ∙ 조선말 ∙ македонски ∙ മലയാളം ∙ Bahasa Melayu ∙ မြန်မာဘာသာ ∙ norsk bokmål ∙ Plattdüütsch ∙ Nederlands ∙ norsk nynorsk ∙ norsk ∙ occitan ∙ polski ∙ پښتو ∙ português ∙ português do Brasil ∙ română ∙ русский ∙ sicilianu ∙ slovenčina ∙ slovenščina ∙ shqip ∙ српски / srpski ∙ svenska ∙ ไทย ∙ Türkçe ∙ українська ∙ Tiếng Việt ∙ 中文 ∙ 中文（简体） ∙ 中文（繁體） ∙ +/−

Rd232 (talk) 20:58, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for missing your posting here. I have responded. Strebe (talk) 05:56, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed you are very active as a map maker, so maybe you can help me out. I found on the web a global relief map overlay for Nasa World Wind [3]. The standard map making colours are used. It would be ideal for basic map use. So I contacted the author asking if it was in the public domain. He answered with "It isn't public domain, but it is free for non-commercial use. Please include a small, non-obtrusive caption on the images 'Courtesy PanglossTech.com' and a link to http://www.panglosstech.com/ in the citations of your page. The wording is flexible, but this should give you the idea".

I don't know much about licensing, but I thought maybe he's willing to release it for wikipedia maps. I'd like to ask him again, but I don't know what would be best to ask. Any idea? Machinarium (talk) 20:11, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia sadly don't accept "Non-commercial license". I also complain about this situation. If the creator just want citation, then the CC-by-sa is perfect, it allow both non-profit and for profit usage, but force citation. Also, for-profit entities usually don't dare to share their sources, so they most of the time prefer to avoid CC-by-sa items. Your contact should thus not be worry of for-profit reutilisation, that should almost not happen. Yug (talk) 13:40, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yug - can you add a location to this photo of yours, please? Thanks! - MPF (talk) 14:21, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merci beaucoup! I have added the details to the image - MPF (talk) 15:01, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjour. Je te préviens que je me suis servi de ta carte File:Chinese plain 5c. BC-fr.svg pour réaliser deux autres cartes sur la période des Royaumes combattants : File:Royaumes combattants 350 aC.svg et File:Royaumes combattants 250 aC.svg. Si tu as des remarques ou des modifs à faire (je ne suis pas un grand spécialiste d'Inkscape donc il y a quelques approximations), n'hésite pas. Cordialement, Zunkir (talk) 21:52, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

--

Noté pour les cartes, c'est génial de voir que mon travail est étendu ! :D Quelques notes :

1. Pour apprendre la Cartographie sous Inkscape : file:Tutorial-cartography (basic).svg (anglais comprehensible) avec des exercices inclus. Durée : 2 heures de lecture. Commentaires bien venus.
2. Inkscape > F2 : outil de manipulation des noeuds, creuses sont utilisation, cela permet déformer les lignes (frontières) ou de les cadres (légende) sans changer la largeur des bordures.
3. Frontières: Les frontières suivents généralement (toujours ?) les montagnes est rivières, le Bassin du Sichuan était donc très, très probablement 100% Qin,
4. Localisateur (rouge, sur le globe): auraient du être modifiés, avec Inkscape > F2.
5. Fleuves: a. cours modifiés (Huang He), bien vue ! b. Il semble que le Yangzi ait un bug.
6. Tu as très bien sourcé, impécable : )
7. Je prends note de ta suppression des villes actuelles (Shanghai), j'avais hésité.
8. Très content que mon travail soit utile !

Cordialement. Yug (talk) 15:58, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• 
  ca 500 B.C.
• 
  ca 350 BC
• 
  ca 250 BC

Effectivement quelques réajustements de frontières s'imposent : le Qin de la fin des Royaumes combattants dominait tout le Bassin du Sichuan mais aussi les territoires à l'intérieur de la boucle du Huang He. Je corrigerai cela une fois que j'aurais plus de cartes à ma disposition, en sachant que je vais aussi modifier celle des Printemps et Automnes (pour y faire figurer le royaume du Yue qui est très important à la fin de la période). Pour ce qui est des villes modernes, je les ai supprimées pour faire moins lourd, mais c'est un choix critiquable (du point de vue didactique c'est toujours bien de laisser les villes modernes majeures). Sinon je voulais savoir si le fond de carte topographique est disponible en plus large (pour d'autres périodes de l'histoire chinoise) ; si jamais tu as repéré de bonne cartes topographiques vierges de la Chine sur Commons se serait sympa de me les indiquer. Zunkir (talk) 20:00, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Salut Zunkir,

J'ai créé ce fond à 100%, c'est grace à des fichiers GIS topographique, ça aide, mais cela reste un gros travail artisanal. Cette carte est en projection lat-long (les méridiens sont parallèles), la projection la plus simple. Je souhaite faire d'autres vues, mais la question est délicate. Pour de plus grands espaces, cette projection est très déformante et feraient apparaitres certains espaces bien plus grands qu'ils ne sont. Les vues plus grandes demandent donc à passer à des projections complexes pour limiter ces effets de déformations, et je n'ai pas encore d'idée clair sur la projection à employé, ni comment "reprojeter" avec en:QGIS. C'est un petit travail de recherche (Quel projection, quelle formule?). Puis un travail de cartographie : maitriser la reprojection sous QGIS (reprojection) ; puis créer la carte SVG (vectorisation). J'ignore tout simplement quand je m'y remettrais avec succès. Pour l'instant, il y a déjà de quoi faire une petite série avec ce fond de carte ; )

Salutation Yug (talk) 20:59, 25 February 2012 (UTC) PS1: Ajoute ma page de discussion à ta liste de suivit. PS2: Je suis à Paris INALCO, si t'es dans le coin....[reply]