User talk:Fred the Oyster/Archive 2

Please do not change the many image names that I am in the process of uploading, now in batches. I number the images I have worked on by a book page number i.e. pg-57 but I also place "image caption" in the Description. These many images are doing work on TWO BOOKS. One is in English and the other is in Spanish translation. By changing any of these image names you are messing up pages in these two books -- the English is a transcription and the Spanish is a Translation from the English. Let us do our work. I will let you know when we have it completed, please do mess up two pages everytime you change a file name. Again, the caption is shown which is how you knew what the image was about. Transcription & translation are not the same and they do not work the same with image names. Aside from that the images are already employed in the many pages of the Two works. Thank you for the consideration so that all of us can build. One of the workers is an administrator and he as well as we know what to do. Thank you very much, William Maury Morris II (talk) 09:34, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

I would advise you then to use less generic filenames. Filenames should be descriptive of what the image is, using generic names such as pg-57 tells other users/viewers nothing and will undoubtedly run into problems down the line when quite possibly someone else wants to use the same name (remember, millions of files are uploaded here each year) overwrites your upload. Please use common-sense and use specific and descriptive filenames. If you don't, I will. Incidentally, remind me of the pages I changed (I do many renames) and I will change it to something more appropriate but less generic, either that or you can put a {{rename|<new filename>}} tag at the top of the description page to ask for a rename to a name that you choose. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 09:49, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

PS, I suggest you use the rename tag on any other similar files you've created to maintain conformity with the new names. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 09:51, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Does it not matter that the pictures are book related. No matter what name you use, they will not be related to anyting other than the book as is intended, so when they see the book, they will understand. We require support to make the work we are doing easier, so thank you for your support.--Raul Gutierrez (talk) 15:22, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry but it just doesn't work that way. You may be intending them to work as a collection when you use them for whatever it is you are using them for, but from Commons PoV you are adding the file into one big pot containing millions of images. None of you files will relate to each other in commons other than by their filenames. It's quite possible too, that you won't be the only people using those images, after all this is a free media repository for anyone to use. So ultimately I suggest you name the files something like Book Name - pg25.jpg or something similar. As they stand they are simply pg25.jpg in amongst millions of other files. And as I previously stated there is a possibility that your files could be be overwritten by someone else because they wanted to use a generic pg25.jpg in their work. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 15:47, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Fred the Oyster, it does matter if you change the book page numbers and give them a name. You do not have to rename them because I add "image caption" to them. Indeed, they are real image captions. We at wikisource strive to make the work identical to the Book the pages come from. Therefore, in this situation, we use page numbers for images and we use "image captions" that we type in. It keeps the formatting of the book. I am well aware you can name a file anything and still use it but on wikisource we do not always do that. In this case of two books, one transcribed in English and the other translated to Spanish, you have already ruined two pages by renaming that page number. You used the "image caption" that I included with the description. None of us need this annoyance. Let it be. You can always copy the image to another place and rename it there if you feel you should. Commons is supposed to work with wikipedia and wikisource. Commons is a sister to them. We are not supposed to upload to wikisource but rather to Commons. If people do as you are doing they end up just leaving and then comes that survey about people leaving and questions seeking answers as to why people don't stay. This is a reason why people don't stay. Those page numbers do not need to be renamed. They are already in the English version and I am not going to go back and re-do every image page on English or Spanish Wikisource. I will report you and that situation though and give what I have stated here. If someone else wants p.25 in their work then by all means let them download that file, rename it and upload it themselves. It is a supposition it would be wanted in the first place and it is destruction by your renaming the images by you in the 2nd place for two books already in place. The images relate by "image caption" and the name of the original book as well as the one common source that is written with the image. Please stop causing problems on purpose. We have real work to do.William Maury Morris II (talk) 04:56, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not going to explain this again. On Wikisource you have encapsulated all the images into one djvu file, ergo you only have 1 file to contend with. That doesn't happen here. With every file being a separate file in its own right. Now you say you are going to have two books, one English, one Spanish. And you want to call page one of each book Pg1.jpg, please tell me how you intend to achieve that? Incidentally I'm not really concerned how you do things on Wikisource, I've never been there and have no interest in it. What I am interested in is keeping Commons orderly and running smoothly. Whilst you are here you should play the game the way we do it, not the way Wikisiurce does it. Now please start naming (or renaming) your files with non-generic names that describe what the file is. Thank you. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 18:15, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

My colleague is entirely correct. If images such as File:Pg-85.jpg are going to stay on Commons, they must have a more descriptive file name, proper descriptions, and must have applicable categories. The example is a canyon somewhere, but it cannot be in all of Mexico, Texas, California, and Arizona, as categorized, and there is no obvious connection to Maximilian I. If you cannot be bothered to follow our rules, then you cannot upload images here. If you do not make such changes to all of these files in a reasonable period, I will nominate them all for deletion on the grounds that they are useless because they have no valid location.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 18:42, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Insert: Jim, you are very late. If the images were named wrong then we should have been told so on out talk page from the beginning. But we weren't. I sought out and found out what happened. There was Fred's explanation placed here. I have completed my reply to *him*. Now, if you want to delete those images you just go ahead and do it because I will only rename any new images and that is only if I upload any more new images. This entire situation came into being only because you two were not on alert to tell us what you have stated so late. Delete them or rename them. I myself do not care although others do. The name of the book, as you should and probably saw, is "Mexico, California and Arizona; being a new and revised edition of Old Mexico and her lost provinces." The Categories cover those "lost provinces" of Old Mexico. The book mentions "Maximilian I of Mexico" several times and thus it is that he was included in the Categories. It also covers all of the territories (and people in those territories) so those are listed for -- or relate to -- all of those categories. I uploaded the last two files properly as Fred asked. 'Nuff said, William Maury Morris II (talk) 19:23, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

You have stated you "are not going to explain this again" and then you explained it again? It did not need explaining again. I understood your points the first time. So, I have now uploaded the latest file with the image caption attached to the file name. Therefore it shows page number and image caption is connected to that thereby giving both of us what we seek. Right? Now, looking back to the above, and in reply, *I* did not encapsulate any images into a djvu file. An administrator on Wikisource did that and that is the way most books are done. They know how to transclude the material. Us other workers transcribe and translate and that's all aside from me uploading the images. What is annoying is that I have already uploaded many files and they are already placed into the two books. I wish you had been a bit faster in telling me the overall situation and on my talk page. You just renamed my file and used my image caption I had posted. As for "playing the game" (as you put it) I have no interest in any form of game playing on any wiki area. I am a worker on one of the two books -- except for the images that serve both the English book and the Spanish book. When you go to rename all of the previous images I uploaded for these two books please leave the page number as is and just look at and add the image caption under description. Please hyphenate all so it will not look sloppy with percentage symbols as well as any other symbols where there is a space. NOW, what you should have done at the very beginning when you renamed that one file is to look back and see the preceding files. You renamed about 3/4 of the way finished. You should have also contacted me on my talk page about the overall situation. I spotted the image messed up and knew nothing about what happened until I looked at history and found your talk page and you seem to be smarter than what you did. Last, I expect you to be back asap due to your being "blocked" according to a large pink(?) notice I see above that states,

"This user is currently blocked. The latest block log entry is provided below for reference:

13:41, 5 January 2012 Rd232 (talk | contribs) changed block settings for Fred the Oyster (talk | contribs) with an expiry time of Thu, 7 Jan 2012 19:39:00 GMT (account creation disabled) ‎ (reverting to original block, because of extreme restrictions (talkpage access and email blocked) without even a talkpage notice)

That part I regret but then you too should follow the rules that you already know about. We who are working on transcribing and translating two books are new these rules you have pointed out and we will not make that mistake again. You are not new here. Simply be polite to others and work properly and those things won't happen -- and don't use profanities, as you did on a page I saw-- as they are not a necessity. Aside from that I wish you the best, William Maury Morris II (talk) 18:57, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Firstly I have no idea why you felt the need to post my block notice, I know I'm blocked and don't need reminding. Secondly I don't appreciate being patronised. I do not appreciate advice from someone whose only reason for being on my talk page is because they didn't know what they were doing here on Commons. So please place your advice on how to behave in some appropriate dark place. Additionally I don't recall using profanity in my discussion with you, so you commenting on what language I should or shouldn't use is none of your business and I suggest that your tone and haughtiness is somewhat uncivil.

Renaming and moving files is a convoluted process and its protocol does not include notifying the uploader of the image. We can end up renaming dozens of files in a day. To expect us to also take time to notify the uploader as well is, quite frankly, ridiculous. We aren't bots and the process is only semi automated. Now the rationale and solution has sunk in I would be grateful if you could go back and place a rename tag (as explained above) on the files you uploaded under the incorrect generic filenames. Your help in keeping Commons running smoothly is much appreciated. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 20:18, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

After being warned twice to stop posting uncivil comments and to stop with non-constructive editing in general, I am displeased that you would continue anyway. You are blocked for three days. From here on out, please avoid such pointless nastiness. Harej (talk) 19:43, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

As this is my first block, don't you think 24hrs is a better place to start? Or are you mixing up preventative versus punitive. If 663 edits is anything to go by you must be a newbie at this sort of thing ;) You've got to admit though I was polite about it? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 20:56, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Seeing how Ottava is making such a song & dance about me suggesting that he should "kill himself" I should clear something up. As is usual Ottava lies, then repeats it, then repeats it ad nauseum. It's a lie that I suggested that he should kill himself. It's his modus operandi and he will keep doing it to gain sympathy. He is demonstrating once again one of the problems that has got him in this situation. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 21:35, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

As Ottava Rima is a proven liar and extensive user of hyperbole (per his other two indefinite bans on Wiki English and one other, I believe Wiktionary), he should be forced to immediately back up any claims he makes, such as "Fred told me to kill myself!" with solid proof. A 3 day ban is also a complete over-reaction when this is Fred's first. I would suggest though Fred that you chill a bit. Ottava is bringing himself down, he doesn't need help. Fry1989 ^eh? 22:52, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

I believe Fred you have been asking for a ban - take it as a chance to go outside and stuff. Take time off wiki. Paint the house, whatever. Then come back, hopefully OR will be banned by then and you can go back to being happy. -mattbuck (Talk) 23:05, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Meh! I was well aware that my last comment thee would get me a block. Who cares, I'm a grown-up. Being told to sit on the time-out chair is hardly going to upset me. Incidentally I see OR has yet again been unable to demonstrate where I told him (or anyone else) to kill himself. He's also lying about me starting this whole blocking shebang. I was the first to !vote, but I didn't start it. Sometimes I think that sometimes he really doesn't know that he's lying. I suppose when someone does something habitually it becomes difficult to know what is truth and what isn't. As for taking ages to compile all those djvu files, I have a couple of progs here that would have done it in seconds, but hey-ho there goes the hyperbole again! By the way Harej, or whatever your name is, I'm honoured to be your second only Commons blocking, I'm glad I could be part of your coming of age. Kudos. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 03:10, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

User:Fastily today increased the block length from 3 days to 1 week, apparently in response to this RevisionDeleted edit summary. No explanation (or even notification) was provided (onwiki at least, which is where it should be if one is given). I had already asked Fastily for an explanation, but having now seen the extreme conditions of the reblock (removal of talkpage access and revocation of email access), I have now reverted to the previous block length, upon an assurance from Fred (by email) that he will try to behave himself on his talk page. However, I am also minded to reverse the RevisionDeletion - but that can wait for Fastily to respond. Rd232 (talk) 13:48, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Your trust will not be misplaced. I may be annoying but I don't lie and I'm a man of my word. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 18:09, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

While I tend to be more on the side of the "civility police", I'm just not sure that the edit summary in question rises to the level of deletion. While I agree that it's not necessarily productive, I don't see the need to have it hidden from view forever. Tiptoety ^talk 23:32, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

To whomever, is this a proper image format Pg-297-Alcatraz-Island.jpg ? We can use this in our Books, one being an English transcription and the other a translation for the Spanish Wikisource area. We desire to retain the page numbers to omit confusion for us within the two works and especially in the Spanish translation of an English book. If this is not correct then please tell me what we can use. I will follow your suggestion of going back and setting the images already uploaded with a name behind it as shown here and as requested by you as being a necessity. I believe I understand your points you have made. Thank you and Peace, William Maury Morris II (talk) 02:01, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

it's not in the format I would have chosen, but that is purely an aesthetic and subjective choice (if the page number was at the end they would sort more logically). Your choice is perfectly adequate. Thank you for your help, and thank you for processing the earlier uploads. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 11:49, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Fred -- please see my talk page for a continuation of this discussion. For some reason -- maybe my handsome good looks -- he responded to my comment above in a positive way.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 12:52, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

I have a deeply dark, sarcastic and occasionally scatological sense of humour. It mostly involves wordplay and lateral thought. The reason I am writing this is as an explanation of what I sometimes write, though it isn't an excuse as I don't feel a need to excuse who or what I am.

With regard to the "potassium chloride" quip. Well all I can say is that this has been blown out of all proportion by Ottava (so what else is new!). The humour depends on context and po-faced delivery.

The context, which has been lost in OR's rants, is that Herby was asking for suggestions on methods to stop Ottava from keeping going off on one. I suggested the chemical as a possible option. I did this with this exact wording "Potassium Chloride?".

I didn't add any other words, inferences or meanings. It was offered as an off the cuff light-hearted quip (albeit using gallows humour). It was not offered as an instruction to anyone, least of all OR. It was only OR's gift of narcissistic hyperbolism and imagination that translated it into an instruction for him to commit suicide. That was never my intent nor my reason for saying it.

Now I do hope that this isn't taken as trolling but is taken as an attempt to explain what exactly was said, why it was said and to whom it was said. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 12:12, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Fred! Are you interested of making a Spanish version of File:WikiProject United States logo.svg too? Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 21:12, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

I am but I ran into problems with the file. The original was produced in Inkscape which has a reputation in producing nasty code. In this file this reputation is perfectly accurate. I work in Adobe Illustrator and when I opened the file in AI I was presented with all manner of problems. The job is partly done, but having been distracted by the above brouhaha plus physical problems involving the effects of some recent mini-strokes causing my hands to shake excessively. I will get it done, though how long I have no idea. If you wish someone else to do it I won't be offended. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 21:42, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Since you have it partly done, I'm happy with waiting maybe two weeks or so. Is that fine? WhisperToMe (talk) 16:20, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Apparently Ottava has been raving on IRC (just before getting kicked for pissing the op off with his paranoid lunacy) about how Fry1989 (talk · contribs) and I are the same person and one or other of us is each other's sock. Now this is obviously total bollocks but I am quite happy for a CU to check me out. To make it easier for the CU, I'm on a static IP (aDSL) based in the UK. Currently Fry isn't in a position to defend himself properly as he is on vacation and only has sporadic net contact.

So there ya go Ottava, put up or shut up. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 22:13, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

I think he was accusing me of being your sock at one point [1], though he was too ambiguous, as usual, to make his sentiments clear.. but he'd never be able to substantiate it, as I'm on a static IP too, broadband, of course. Given that you and I had a brief but indirect tête-à-tête on en-Wiki a while back, you'd either have to be a good actor or have multiple-personalities to keep that up.   Ma®©usBritish ^[Chat] 22:38, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi fellas, just noticed and thought I'd add to this. First, I'm not surprised Ottava, in his paranoid ways, think Fred and I are socks of eachother. After all, two users, very good pals and who agree on almost everything, I've seen him make.accusations for less. However, I'm sure he would be delighted to find out (probably not, but I don't care, that since I started my account on Commons, I have only moved twice, and have always lived within the same 20 block neighborhood near the downtown of a place called Orillia, about 2 hours north of Toronto Canada. I am currently on vacation in Albuquerque New Mexico, using a buddy's smartphone, but when I arrive home on January the 9th, my IP will go back to what it has been since atleast July of 2011, when I moved 7 doors down the street. I also fully give my consent, as Fred has, to prove that our two IPs have always been continentally distinct, via a checkuser. Fry1989 ^eh? 05:07, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

In A-A-A-AL-BUQUERQUE... -mattbuck (Talk) 12:06, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

« your category only consists of one file, your file » ! Sorry, a category always begins with one file... and as I loaded it with a CC license, it is no longer MY file. ℍenry (Babel talk !) (Francophone ?) 17:09, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

It was when you uploaded it, and that was what I was referring to. Either way, you usurping an existing category was out of order. Please do not do it again. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 17:15, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Fred!
1 2 3
It goes not about language - "to favor English over other languages" but about alphabeth support. All computers know latin but not all cyrillic. -- Дар Ветер (talk) 16:04, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

The mediawiki software handles the conversion. There are lots of files with Cyrillic filenames, converting them to Latin isn't important. It's preferred that they are uploaded in Latin in the first place, but it's no excuse to rename them if they already exist. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 16:17, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

2Дар Ветер: See COM:FR#What files should not be renamed? p.2: File:Rathaus_bremen.jpg should not be renamed to File:Bremen_town_hall.jpg only because the latter is English and correctly capitalized (Remember, Commons is a multilingual project, so there's no reason to favor English over other languages).--Anatoliy (talk) 17:02, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

For your information, may be interested in the files under discussion at Commons:Village pump/Copyright#BBC logos. --Gavin Collins (talk) 18:24, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

 

Hi Fred the Oyster !

You now have the Patroller right and may call yourself a patroller ! Please take a moment to read the updated Commons:Patrol to learn how Patrolling works and how we use it to fight vandalism.

As you know already, the patrolling functionality is enabled for all edits, not just for new-page creations. This enables us to keep track of, for example, edits made by anonymous users here on Commons.

We could use you help at the Counter Vandalism Unit. For example by patrolling an Anonymous-edits checklist and checking a day-part.

If you have any questions please leave a message on the CVU talkpage or ask for help on IRC in #wikimedia-commons. --ZooFari 04:20, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi, just to let you know I replied to your comment about my QI candidate at Commons:Quality images candidates/candidate list#January 13, 2012. Cheers, SalopianJames - previously Colds7ream (talk) 09:21, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I've answered at the QI page, but as space is limited there I think perhaps I should clarify my comments here. The style of that illustration is quite obviously NASA's. I know this because I've done quite a few of these diagrams (check out my gallery or Category:Images created by Fred the Oyster by extracting them from official NASA PDFs. Also please checkout Category:Media from Mir Hardware Heritage to see what I mean. This isn't to say I'm making accusations of plagiarism or taking shortcuts. From a technical PoV the line drawings by NASA are quite crude compared to how we'd do it today (most were done in the late 90s) so they take a lot of cleanup. Also to take different modules from different documents and put them back in such a way is time-consuming and quite difficult. I genuinely don't want to take anything away from Orionist as he's a damn good illustrator. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 10:23, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Fred. You did excellent with the font on File:Seal of the Senate of Massachusetts.svg. I found the seal of the Mass House, and a secondary senate seal. If I upload them real quick, would you be willing (when you have time of course) to put in the wording for these two other seals using the same font you did for the linked seal above? I can give you the sources, they're actual impressions, but good quality, so no trouble making them out. Fry1989 ^eh? 22:57, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Bud? Fry1989 ^eh? 20:14, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry mate, I kept getting distracted. You'll have to remind me, and I'll have to remind myself what font I used :) --Fred the Oyster (talk) 20:44, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't know what font you used (I'm kinda thinking of asking users to put what fonts they use in the file description when they upload files with complicated or odd fonts), but I actually think you don't have to use the same one as you did for the above-linked senate seal. Basically what I would like is if you would create this variant of the State Seal, as well as the House seal and this Senate seal variant. I can upload the files to save you time, I just need you to add the words. Fry1989 ^eh? 21:32, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

It's okay I can d/l them from the links you've given me. Do you want the spiky bits on the outside? I can't guarantee straight away though. I don't know if you've noticed with being on holiday but my usual output has been curtailed. I've been quite unwell of late and at the moment I'm blessed with very shaky hands. This may be fine for a quick wank but it's a real pain in the arse whilst trying to guide a mouse or a tablet pen. The tremors come and go so some days I'm okay, but then I'm busy at trying to keep up with work. But have no fear I'll get there. In fact I'll have to, all these requests I've given my name to are starting to back up! --Fred the Oyster (talk) 23:35, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Nah, I don't think the spikey fanciness is necessary, they only seem to be used on the impression wafer. The only seal I've ever seen with the spikes as an actual part of the illustration is Alabama's second seal. Anyhow, absolutely take your time. I'm just trying to do my seals in sets, and since we got the Governor and Senate, I figured I'd bug you about the House and Senate secondary seal, and the State seal variant. Fry1989 ^eh? 23:40, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

I have blocked you for 24 hours. Foroa was applying the standard Commons naming style for categories, which you should be well aware of. And you definitely know better than to go and try to re-implement your non-standard approach, especially after being uncivil like that. C'mon, you're not a newbie. Rd232 (talk) 18:00, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi! Can you explain me how you optimize the code of the SVG files? Which procedure you use? Thanks a lot and best regards. Angelus ^(talk) 18:35, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I just open the file in Illustrator (CS5.1), save it as a native AI file, then save it straight back as an SVG (precision factor 1). Usually that in itself will pare it down to between 30%-50%. I then open the resultant file in Notepad++ and remove all the unnecessary Inkscape bloat, then use html colour shortcuts eg #CCCCCC becomes #ccc. There are various other things you'll see as you go through the file that can take a few bytes off here and there. There used to be an online facility that did a pretty good job, but in preparation to answering your question I found I couldn't remember its name so I googled for relevant search terms and still couldn't find it. The name is on the tip of my tongue though, but unfortunately some recent mini-strokes have put some holes in my memory which doesn't make it any easier I'm afraid. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 18:49, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much!!!

If you had to remember the name of the program online, don't hesitate to tell me it! ;-)

Given that unfortunately do not own Illustrator, could you optimize this file?

File:Mop (less heavy).svg

Best regards! Angelus ^(talk) 19:13, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Could you also optimize again this file?

• File:Commons Administrator 2.svg

Thanks a lot! :-) Angelus ^(talk) 19:50, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi! I notice somebody just uploaded their own Spanish logo version: File:Wikiproyecto Estados Unidos.svg If you want you are welcome to continue the one you are working on Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 00:57, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Please take note, that the next time that you make comments such as this, and after being blocked and warned about such comments going ahead and posting this, I will block you. Threatening to disrupt Commons directly after coming off a block, is worthy of an indefinite block as a preventative measure, and using your talk page like that, is worthy of removing talk page access.

So you can consider this your last ever warning, that such language and incivil behaviour will not be tolerated, and if it happens again I myself will indefinitely block you. You may also consider yourself lucky that I am posting this last warning instead of implementing that block.

Try to refrain from engaging in behaviour such as that linked in future. Your future participation on the project depends on it. russavia (talk) 12:32, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Who are you talking to? He said he was done here three days ago.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:36, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Yeah - good post showing how up to date some folk are. Gone I think - slightly sadly and there were reasons for it all. --Herby ^{talk thyme} 14:46, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Strong form of admin ostracism and persistent hounding on display here. Shameful display of disregard for Wiki ethics and community standards. Quit Lording it up Russavia, rubbing salt into old wounds only makes you look a cyber-bully, and far removed from the qualities expected of an admin. No one is impressed by your pretentious badge waving or distinctly condescending tone. Ma®©usBritish ^[Chat] 20:17, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

I agree with MarcusBritish. Fred is/was a good user, he got upset because his categories were force-renamed without him even being made aware, and he worked hard on those. Just because he had an outburst isn't reason to come here 3 days after the fact to throw salt in, and it's especially not a reason to threaten a perma-block. Find something else to do, Rassavia, something productive. Fry1989 ^eh? 20:25, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

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Prof. Professorson (talk) 21:57, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

for taking my SVG request at the graphics lab. Excellent work and quick response! upstateNYer 23:00, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi. There are some questions regarding the Heraldry SVG elements category tree over at Commons WikiProject Heraldry which I think you are probably the best suited to resolve. Cheers /Lokal_Profil 11:51, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

 

Hi Fred the Oyster !

You now have the Patroller right and may call yourself a patroller ! Please take a moment to read the updated Commons:Patrol to learn how Patrolling works and how we use it to fight vandalism.

As you know already, the patrolling functionality is enabled for all edits, not just for new-page creations. This enables us to keep track of, for example, edits made by anonymous users here on Commons.

We could use you help at the Counter Vandalism Unit. For example by patrolling an Anonymous-edits checklist and checking a day-part.

If you have any questions please leave a message on the CVU talkpage or ask for help on IRC in #wikimedia-commons. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 19:26, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

... for improving File:Elliptical trajectory on ripples.svg. It looks less crowded now. -- Kraaiennest (talk) 07:06, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

What program did you use on File:Meuble lion regardant.svg when you changed it[2]?  

You might want to check other images you have used whatever it is on it, because you didn't just "Reduce margin, create compound shape for eye in head, optimise code, remove Inkscape junk", your change filled in its eye with yellow.   --Mistress Selina Kyle (talk) 13:50, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

The original file had just a circle overlaying the yellow of the head. I cut a hole through the head thereby turning the head into a compound shape. I use Adobe Illustrator and I've been doing these sort of images for a very long time so know what I'm doing. The is not damaged in any way. It conforms exactly to the SVG v1.1 standard. So, Selina, what makes you think I damaged it? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 14:19, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Look at the old revision in your browser in a tab compared to the other one, like I did   (using Firefox)

The new version has the eye "caved in" with yellow where it was white before --Mistress Selina Kyle (talk) 14:32, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

The revision I changed had a solid yellow eye, in fact neither of the two previous revisions had a white eye My change made the eye transparent. That's what a compound shape is. Now either your browser cache needs updating or you need to go to SpecSavers. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 14:36, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

You're a real nasty little piece of work aren't you? "You need to go to SpecSavers"? I was trying to be polite in the face of your carelessness and ignorance, but screw that then, you arrogant little worm.

On File:Meuble_lion_regardant.svg, the old version has a filled in yellow eye, you filled it with white in your version.

It's not worth it, I'll just let you carry on your merry way. --Mistress Selina Kyle (talk) 14:57, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

No young lady, you came to my page accusing me of damaging files when it's patently clear that you don't know what you're talking about and you aren't making any sense. Now I suggest to you that you hold off on calling people "slugs" and pay attention to what they are actually saying. I realise you have an impulse control problem, and obviously anger management issues so I'll ignore the childish name calling.

What I will do though is explain where you are going wrong.

1. There are 3 revisions of the file, two have solid yellow eyes, and one has a transparent eye.
2. 2 of the revisions have a simple circular path with a black stroke and no fill for the eye. The yellow background shows through.
3. There is 1 revision where that circular path has been used as a sort of 'cookie cutter' to cut through the yellow head shape to the transparent background.
4. There are no revisions where the eye is white.
5. The 3rd revision is not damaged in anyway, in fact the code is now more correct that it was in either of the 2 previous revisions. Click on the {{ValidSVG}} and see for yourself.

Does this make it easier for you to understand? I hope so. Now I've been doing vector graphics for more than 20 years, how long have you? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 15:10, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

I have started a section about your recent behaviour at Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems#Fred the Oyster. -mattbuck (Talk) 23:59, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Well aren't I the lucky one. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 00:25, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey Fred - sorry to see you blocked - your uploads of those insignia and stuff seems to be a big benefit - why not post an unblock request on the en wikipedia and see if there is support there for you - anyway - best wishes to you Youreallycan (talk) 22:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

why not post an unblock request on the en wikipedia - because he's also blocked on en.wp, that's why not. He still has access to email to make an unblock request, and I hope he does make one and that he can be unblocked. Rd232 (talk) 22:31, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

His en.wiki talk page is unlocked though. MBisanz ^talk 01:29, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Fred, I tried working with you a few months back but you seem to continue to dig your own grave. As such, I have indefinitely blocked you as you are unable to take part in a collaborative community environment without engaging in personal attacks, childish name calling, and continual disruption; and your actions are counter to the collegial atmosphere of Commons. To contest this block, place {{unblock|your reason here}} below. Tiptoety ^talk 01:21, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Nice move, I don't think. Mind you I don't recall working with you, I'm sure I would have remembered as it would have been a painful experience I'm sure. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 01:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm a forgettable face, er, username. Here. Tiptoety ^talk 01:38, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Just fucking great, another young kid with a god (and law enforcement complex. Just what I need at 2 in the morning. I'm a grandfather being lectured to by a sprog of indeterminate shaving experience. I have pimples on my arse older, and wiser, than you and you have the temerity to lecture me? Send someone over with a lot more years under their belt than you and then maybe we'll discuss this properly. Russavia, you aren't invited. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 02:18, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Ah yes, lets derail the real issue at hand by attacking the blocking administrator and calling for others to come by and comment, but of course not those who may not be of your opinion, such as Russavia. Tiptoety ^talk 02:24, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Ah yes, the real issue. Paedophile 2 Protestors 0.

And it's de rigeur to attack a blocking admin, especially when they have a suspect empowerment complex. And Russavia, let's just say I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. Agreeing with me isn't a requirement, trust is. There are plenty of adult (proper adults I mean) admins round here whom I respect and trust, neither you nor Russavia are on that list. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 02:30, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

If you find that you are unable to refrain from continuing to attack other users, I'll be revoking your talk page access! Cheers, FASTILY ^(TALK) 06:55, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

If this refers to the "Paedophile" label, I agree with it: you should not use this label unless it has been proven, which it hasn't in this case. The rest is fair post-block steam-blowing-off-ness-ity (I know how you likes English good :P ) Rd232 (talk) 08:41, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, from the evidence I've seen (some circumstantial, most specific) the label (and its associated perjorative/simile) is proven. Which provides a summary of the situation as this: I've been indeffed for being "uncivil" to a known paedophile, being "uncivil" to a paedophile enabler(s) and to a young admin who suffers from premature ejection. Did I miss anything out? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 12:20, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Your block now includes being unable to edit your own talk page, since you are seemingly unable to stop the personal attacks. -mattbuck (Talk) 13:08, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Indef seems a bit much. Fred's been a great contributor here, even if at the moment he needs time to cool down. --SJ+ 15:20, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

• Tiptoety gave Fred the Oyster an early morning surprise, by kicking him in the nuts, and now there seems to be some distress among other administrators because Fred made it clear how displeased he is. Was he supposed to thank Tiptoety for the vicious treatment? Malcolm Schosha (talk) 15:22, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

←Please note that my block log entry says nothing about calling anyone a Pedophile. Secondly, Sj please see my comment at the AN/U thread that states that the bock is indefinite, not infinite. I am more than willing to unblock if Fred can address the issue in a calm and civil manner and propose how he plans on avoiding such disruptive editing in the future. If he is unable to do so, I stand by my indef block as unfortunately, at that point, his editing is a net negative. Tiptoety ^talk 17:39, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey Tiptoety, what is it that gives you the ability to decide which users will be among the chosen allowed stay, and which will get users will get sent into wiki-exile? Do you have any idea at all how arrogant you edit above sounds? I sometimes wonder how many of you guys have ever had jobs, because employers do not fire people who are making good contributions to the organization for bullshit reasons like a supposed failure to remain "calm and civil." Malcolm Schosha (talk) 18:03, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

"I am more than willing to unblock if Fred can address the issue..." (sic). And how's he supposed to do that when you and Mattbuck tag teamhim and remove his ability to reply. Not a doubt in my mind Mattbuck was lurking in waiting for the smallest of reasons to get involved himself, when as the one who started the AN/U, he's the last person who should be touching the block controls. Fry1989 ^eh? 18:34, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Email perhaps? I intend to remove the talk page restriction after a couple of days, once he's had a chance to calm down. -mattbuck (Talk) 18:46, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Actually, Schosha, employers who don't fire people who are hostile to co-workers to others can find themselves on the wrong side of "hostile work environment" lawsuit, and age is a legally protected class. Even outside the law, a lot of employers recognize that's better to have five happy, good employees then one jerk and five stressed-out co-workers. Lastly, not many employers keep employees that don't believe they have to listen to anything anyone else says--Prosfilaes (talk) 03:21, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Bullshit. I have worked many places where the stuff Fred has said would be nothing unusual. Have you ever had a job? Malcolm Schosha (talk) 16:40, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

I guess The manager's guide to preventing a hostile work environment: how to avoid legal and financial risks by protecting your workplace from harassment based on sex, race, disability, religion and age is a joke book or something. And Schosha, my personal life is none of your business.--Prosfilaes (talk) 21:34, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey Prosfilaes, aside from proving that you are one of the more obnoxious, and WP:DICK, users on Commons; you have contributed nothing to the discussion here, beyond your ongoing trolling of a blocked user's talk page at a time when he can not reply to your crap. I would be interested in knowing, however, if you are also just one more wiki-dumbass who has never had a job. Malcolm Schosha (talk) 12:00, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Do you consider everyone who disagrees with you obnoxious? You have some pretty high-minded quotes from Epictetus on your user page, but you don't see to actually follow them.--Prosfilaes (talk) 12:09, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

I think you are trolling this blocked user's talk page. To me that is certainly obnoxious and WP:DICK. You still have not said if you ever had a job. Malcolm Schosha (talk) 13:36, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Point of information, Fred can reply, the page is unprotected and his account has talk page privs again, he is simply choosing not to. Also Malcolm, drop it. Prosifilaes does not want you to know any details about his life (a feeling I rather understand), and frankly you are just being provocative for no reason now. Both of you, go home. -mattbuck (Talk) 14:20, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

←Fred, if you are reading this: You have mail. Best, Tiptoety ^talk 23:09, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Per 99of9's proposal (which gained some support, though not consensus), my comments here on the nature of the recent pre- and post-block edits, and our email discussion, I've reduced the block to 1 week. Fred has agreed not to repeat the term which led to the AN/U discussion ("kiddy fiddler") and acknowledged that some of his comments were inappropriate and won't repeat them. I would personally have reduced the block to 3 days (which has already passed, so it would be an unblock), but I'm respecting the prior discussion on the subject.

I hope we can start to get back to normality after this. cheers, Rd232 (talk) 15:51, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Just a heads up, I've blocked your sock The Hedonist (talk · contribs) as well as the open proxy you have been using. As far as this account goes, I'll leave any further action up to the other administrators. Best, Tiptoety ^talk 17:40, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't use open proxies, and never have done. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 18:24, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

So, just out of interest, were The Hedonist's edits abusive, or were they of benefit to the project? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 22:12, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't matter, I haven't even looked. Using sockpuppets to evade a block is always the wrong approach. As you're probably aware, I'm trying to get your block term re-evaluated by the community, but stuff like this, and your personal attacks, just makes it harder, and makes me less likely to bother in future. --99of9 (talk) 22:36, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't care whether it matters or not. Answer the question.

As for getting my block re-evaluated. It ain't gonna happen whilst people like Russavia and Mattbuck are around and their brother paedo-defenders have any say in the matter. Especially when a lot of lies are being said about me (mostly by Russavia). The project can either make use of someone like me, or it can't. But whilst it seems to be more intent on having as many penis pictures as possible, and productive paedophiles. A project where admins can defend paedophiles, but ban people who call them kiddy fiddlers is a project that is in serious trouble. When the likes of Russavia, Mattbuck, Prosfilaes, Saibo etc want me to stay blocked then I stay blocked. You either invite me back to the project where I can be productive or you lose yet another productive and skilful editor. Your choice, and let's face it, my being here isn't really to my benefit, it's to the project. And regardless of what Tiptoety says, I was blocked for calling a paedophile a kiddy fiddler. Now that's fucked up! --Fred the Oyster (talk) 22:52, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Now I have a graphic here that was created as a result of a request on en.wp. Do I upload it as FtO, or do I upload it as a sock? Either way, I spent the time creating it and I intend uploading it, so stop fucking about. Drop the block and let me get on with what I do best. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 22:58, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Tiptoety, we all know the reason you gave for blocking me in the first place, but there is a lot of doubt as to the justification of said block. You say it's for a long history of incivility. Well that's a crock of shit to start with. I don't have a long history of incivility here on Commons. So what I would like to know is what exactly triggered your desire to come to my page and block me. What specific comment of mine made you decide that enough is enough? Bearing in mind that it was during a sensitive debate where tempers were flared, so what comment of mine stood out so much that you felt that you had to immediately block me indefinitely without gaining consensus or even asking advice from another admin? So what was the exact comment that was the last straw? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 19:27, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

And let's not forget two other admins who agreed that the indef block was comepletely innapropriate and one who said he would be happy to remove the bloc immediately if it wouldn't look like a conflict of interest because of his involvement in the AN/U. Fry1989 ^eh? 19:51, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello, according to the complaint in that section I've returned your ban by Tiptoety. But you still may edit your talk page. Please use {{unblock|reason ~~~~}} if you want to be unblocked, I am sure that the block will be undone anyway after some time provided that you will not abuse sockpuppets or use IPs to evade block, but in this controversal issue this discussion should be transparent for all involved users, and it is not when only e-mail function is used. Thanks - A.Savin 21:10, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

There is no way in hell I'm going to do the wikiverse equivalent of prostrating myself and begging forgiveness from some people I see as fucking idiots and paedophile supporters. I am not going to ask for an unblock for a block that should never have happened in the first place. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 21:40, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

@A.Slavin, re: "But, at least, there was a discussion which lead to the block"

No there wasn't. There was no pre-block discussion of me being blocked. Tiptoety came along in a drive-by blocking and unilaterally decided it would be an indef. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 23:32, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Yet more lies from Russavia. I didn't instruct anyone to "shut the fuck up" in the manner you suggest. Here's the entire sentence, not just the out of context epithet. "Firstly young master buck seems to be going for his Boy Scout's hyperbole badge. If he can point me to anywhere I've said Beta M was a "child rapist" I'd be happy if he's oblige. If he can't then I suggest he shut the fuck up, grow up and figure out another way to protect a convicted paedophile."

And yes, as can be seen from above I did say that I've never used an open proxy. But once again Russavia spins it to say that I'm the liar and that I'm now denying logging in from an IP address. And you give the job of admin to this sort of person? The IP addresses I used are not open proxies. If anyone would like to try to use said IP addresses as proxies you will see what I mean. And in blocking them, as I've repeatedly tried to tell people, there has been major collateral damage. Especially the Hong Kong one.

So, what other lies do you intend telling about me Russavia? How about the one where I have a long history of calling people cunts? mI did that on one occasion after another editor trashed 5 days of my work, I got uptight about it and got blocked. Only then did I lash out with the C-Bombs. And you accuse me of incivility? You've got a fucking nerve! --Fred the Oyster (talk) 00:30, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Fæ may as well turn his vote to a "not support". I am not having him, nor anyone else for that matter, telling me how I should talk and what words I can't use. A topic ban is one thing, censorship is quite another. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 13:05, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

@PierreSelim, I'm genuinely not here to deliberately disrupt anything so I have no intention of going to places I'm banned from. So whatever you decide is my punishment for a transgression is okay by me. It's not as if I'm going to accidentally stray into the forbidden zone.

@Fæ, I have three accounts here at Commons. FtO, The Hedonist (sock now blocked), WebHamster (retired) --Fred the Oyster (talk) 13:11, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Fred the Oyster is banned from editing COM:AN and its subpages. Where necessary (including starting new threads), he can contact any other editor to ask them to post for him. Fred the Oyster is restricted to using only that account. Failure to adhere to these restrictions and expected norms of behaviour on Commons may result in further blocks.
If things go well in the presence of these restrictions then Fred could ask for them to be lifted after 3 months. Lifting would be subject to community discussion and consensus at AN/U.

All the caveats with regard to "civility" have been removed as they are covered by "expected norms of behaviour". As this is all I will agree to I suggest those who are interested (and it doesn't really seem like many, which points to this being an enormous storm in a teacup and irrelevant to the community at large) vote with this in mind. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 15:51, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

• @Russavia. I am not demanding anything. Nothing above is anything I've written or suggested. I removed the civility caveats because they were unnecessary verbiage. "Expected norms of behaviour" covers it quite adequately. Now if you're searching for you pound of flesh I suggest you go elsewhere. I do not trust you as an admin, I do not trust you as a bureaucrat. I do not trust any wording you will put into this agreement. The above is what I'll agree to, it isn't a demand, it's a statement of fact. You'll either support it or you won't. If you don't then I feel I am right to mistrust you as the above wording covers everything you suggested, but using less words. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 16:52, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

• @Fae, I will agree to what is accepted as normal behaviour on Commons by the majority of users. I will not agree to be tied down to what one person decides should be normal behaviour based on his own personal opinion, tastes and sensibilities. Not to mention him taking the opportunity to apply payback after my successful attempt to stop him becoming admin. Well not just me, but I was one of the more outspoken about it. So someone from the Porn Protection Brigade and his own agenda votes against me. What a surprise. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 18:49, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

• Hey Fae, are you channelling George Carlin? And has that choice of words been a Freudian slip? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 19:45, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Unblocked, per your agreement with the edit restrictions, recorded at Commons:Editing restrictions. Please take appropriate care with your choice of words in light of those restrictions. As one version of the edit restriction had it, you are reminded to stay civil. Rd232 (talk) 23:17, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Sorry Guys, that rather illiterate post purporting to be me wasn't. I haven't posted here in almost a week. I doubt you'll believe me, but that's the truth. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 19:43, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Just do a checkuser. There's only two answers it can give. Either it was Fred or it wasn't. Fry1989 ^eh? 20:29, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Well actually checkuser can be inconclusive. But it's not necessary; this nonsense is quite clearly a en:joe job. I won't explain exactly why it's clear, since I don't want to assist the troll in any future nonsense. Rd232 (talk) 22:33, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

The troll account is locked by a steward becuase as LTA. CU evidence is inconclusive for me. --Katarighe (Talk) 10:29, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Also this account is locked becuase of Long-Term Abuse. An abuser may edited possibly solely through a proxy or an unknown user in order to abuse on all WMF projects. --Katarighe (Talk) 10:44, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that. Slight error though. Have another look and see if you can catch it. upstateNYer 02:29, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

LMAO, sorry. It wasn't Freudian, honest :) I'll sort it. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 09:14, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

You spent a lot of time on that Elks pin (yours is better), surprised you took it, though! Glad to see you back, though! :)--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:11, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I'm embarrassed to admit that only spent about 20 mins on it, but thanks for the welcome back. Given the reason for the shitstorm I was in the middle of, ie my "non-collegial behaviour" I'm going to reduce the amount of time spent on answering requests as that involves dealing with other people and the associated raise in blood pressure. Instead I'm going to keep with wading my way through the military insignias that seems to have taken my fancy, along with any other images I feel like doing. As it is there's too many coats of arms, flags and maps being requested and I've never particularly enjoyed doing them. Having said that though, there are some Japanese prefecture flags that have caught my eye.

That said, if you've got any images you need help with then please feel free to let me know here and if I can, I will. ;) --Fred the Oyster (talk) 11:14, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

The Japanese prefecture flags need it, thanks!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:17, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

en:File:Tatauro Mo A Rapa Nui.svg can be moved to Commons, also can you see the black ghosting text running off the left of the page when you see the raw image at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Tatauro_Mo_A_Rapa_Nui.svg? Can you fix that? Thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:14, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

I've already sorted the text problem, but unfortunately as I'm blocked on en.wp I can't get the file moved, even if I used one of the toolserver bots. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 13:27, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi FTO, you've done some good vectorizing for me in the past and I'm wondering if you'd like to take this one on. BPOE could use a vectorized version of the Elk seal. Here's a high-res version, but the purple outline should be more of a navy blue. I also have a need for this to spruce up my Lodge's newsletter. So let me know if you'd be interested, b/c I'd be thrilled if you could. Let me know what you think.

Thanks. upstateNYer 21:39, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Why did you set fixed width/height values in the SVG? I considered it a feature that the image would be adapted to one's window size without requiring an image editor. Nageh (talk) 17:55, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Btw, how does MediaWiki determine the size of a dynamically-sized vector image (that is, one without width/height information) in the preview? Nageh (talk) 17:58, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Also, you changed not only the font family but also the font style. Nageh (talk) 18:01, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Also, if I may add, "Helvetica" is a font name that gets mapped to "Arial" under Windows, and is supported by all operating systems. So selecting "Verdana" is only a matter of choice but not a "more common" font. Nageh (talk) 19:16, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

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Can you make the thumb more thumby? It looks like an oilcan spigot. Maybe I should nom it for deletion.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:59, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Stop trolling. -mattbuck (Talk) 15:01, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Stop assuming bad faith. Some of us have a sense of humour, not that you'd recognise one if it hit you in the back of the head. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 17:06, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I just thought I should let you know that I've reverted your modification of File:Eurozone.svg. Your summary states that you "corrected minor positioning errors"; however, your edit seems to have introduced various positioning errors (some of the more extreme examples include Croatia's eastern borders and the border between Greece and Turkey), and the UK and Russia have both completely disappeared (I assume this has something to do with the fact that they consisted of several grouped objects rather than a single object). I have also uploaded a slightly smaller (about 100k less) version (various left-over countries that were outside the viewing window have been removed, along with the parts of Russia and Turkey that were as well). In future I'd recommend you check the actual file by clicking on the preview, since at least for me the preview often doesn't update for quite a while (and thus error such as these aren't caught). Alphathon /'æɫfə.θɒn/ ^(talk) 04:00, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

The reason things disappeared was because of the shite and bloated code generated by Inkscape which is non-standard when opened in any other vector app. Yes I did miss those things, but they hadn't been removed, they just weren't displayed. The problem was that I was tired when I did the optimisation. The positioning error was that when opened in Illustrator the artwork was not inside the viewbox, it was centimetres away over to the right. Likewise it also lost the clipping path and as such showed where a lot of the filesize comes from. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 10:21, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Hello. Can you vectorize File:Tatmadaw-emblem.jpg? See Commons:Graphic Lab/Illustration workshop#Tatmadaw, thanks. --112.210.80.208 06:33, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I can, but not just yet as I'm very busy in the real world. I can start in a couple of days if someone else hasn't taken on the work. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 10:23, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

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I'd like to know if you could do some flag-maps for me. I'd like to have the flag-maps of São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro states. --BrunoMelo1995 (talk) 20:09, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

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I am the author of the bullet cartridge series, and I found that the text does not display properly when not outlined. Morgan Phoenix (talk) 19:43, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

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The line pointing out the Deep Peroneal nerve region in the drawing was incorrectly rendered as compared to the original source PNG file. JoGusto (talk) 16:26, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

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Affected:

• File:Seal of the President of South Africa.svg

Yours sincerely, LGA _talk^edits 07:35, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I noticed you have set up User:MiszaBot to archive your talk page. Unfortunately, the bot has stopped working, and given how its operator is inactive, it is unclear when/if this will fixed. For the time being, I have volunteered to operate a MiszaBot clone (running the exact same code). With that said, your input would be appreciated at Commons:Bots/Requests/ArchiveBot 1. Regards, FASTILY 07:43, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

I've returned the filemover, patroller, and rollbacker rights to your account. INeverCry 21:14, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you would as I didn't ask and I'm not likely to use them anyway, but thank you for the thought. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 21:45, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I'd intended to just autopatrol you to get you out of recent changes, but I figured what the hell... INeverCry 22:25, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Your SVG diagrams are racially-specific in a way that the originals weren't... AnonMoos (talk) 02:30, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

And? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 09:05, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

And it's probably not a good thing if you want your SVGs to replace all current uses of the JPEGs. AnonMoos (talk) 02:13, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I really couldn't care less if they are used or not, and I'm really not interested in any political-correctness bullshit. They are clear, don't rely on a white background and demonstrate what they are supposed to demonstrate. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 08:59, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Wow, you're back with a vengeance! Welcome back! You've been missed!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:56, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

 

Dear Fred,

I am not sure who the originator of this common file really is, but the file info says you may be. It seems to me there is a problem with the branch "hominini" as it includes Pan. One of the English article references HOMINIDAE – African Great Apes which definitely does not include Pan under hominini tribe.

I want to use it in a Thai translation of the "Human evolution", but I am not sure how I should proceed to perhaps "correct" the problem, but right now I am thinking of creating another image separately. If you could help, however, all the articles referencing the image will be corrected too.

--Tikmok (talk) 04:24, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't have a clue about anthropology. I merely vectorised an existing raster copy of that phylogeny chart. If the original is wrong then so is mine, however, if the original is correct... :) Needless to say, I don't know what "pan" is. However it was included on that chart in your above link. As a Bonobo monkey under the gorill branch apparently! If you're absolutely certain that Pan shouldn't be included then I'll remove it and/or make any other corrections you deem necessary. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 08:59, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi - the purpose of the template vva is not to offer a choice of various image looks, but to link to an identical image in another image format. The choice of various image of a blsonnement is offered by the category. If the image in question does have the same shape of shield, different outline or another type of charge it should not be qualified as a vector version of the same raster image. The File:Blason73.PNG has seven SVG equivalents that meet the blasonnement but only one which is a true vector version of the same rendering. -- Maxxl² - talk 14:29, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

The purpose of the vva template is to do both things, and it does absolutely no harm in having them both there. You are being merely "pointy" by fucking around with it. Do as you wish, pedants/jobsworth piss me off and I'm not going to get blocked again as a result of dealing with one. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 15:49, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your kind lesson in civility and politeness. I am always glad to learn from experienced long-time commons users how to address and name partners here aiming at a better cooperation. Thanks again. -- Maxxl² - talk 16:13, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm not here to be collegial, civil or co-operative. I'm here to supply artwork. And from what little I've seen of your behaviour you are here to ignore Wil Wheaton's advice. Please don't come to this page again. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 16:26, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

 

Hi, Fred! At am:አባል_ውይይት:Elfalem#Request_for_Amharic_translation_of_Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_961_image someone posted Amharic translations here:

• Fatal injury (A death) - ለሞት ያበቃ ከፍተኛ ጉዳት
• Survivors with serious or minor injuries - በከፍተኛ ወይም አነስተኛ ተጎድተው የተረፉ
• Survivors with no injury - ያለጉዳት የተረፉ
• Unoccupied seat - ያልተያዘ መቀመጫ
• Flight attendant's seat - የበረራ አስተናጋጅ መቀመጫ
• Galley (Cooking area on an aircraft) - የምግብ ማሰናጃ ቦታ
• Lavatory (Toilet) - መጸዳጃ ቤት
• Closet - ቁም ሳጥን

Do you mind making an Amharic version of File:Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_961_seating_plan.svg?

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 14:33, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Ask and ye shall receive! --Fred the Oyster (talk) 09:56, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! WhisperToMe (talk) 12:29, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

The above discussion has stopped without a result. So I'm not sure how to go on. Should I use the script? What should I observe? Karlfk (talk) 15:56, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Not got a clue mate. My argument was never how fast or how often you went, merely that you give some thought to who would be using those categories. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 09:58, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

@Karlfk If it's allowed me to respond. For me it was a misinterpreting/misunderstanding of your doing. Nobody of the given dispute has made any response to the questions. So there is nothing against you editing here. Anyway, it's open a thread for everybody. So feel free, keep working   ↔ User: Perhelion (Commons: = crap?) 16:57, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Hey Freddy! Can you do svg versions of the following files:

File:The PyeongChang 2018 Paralympic Winter Games Emblem.jpg   Done
File:Standard of the President of Georgia.png
File:Standard of the President of United Arab Republic (1958–1971).png
File:Presidential Standard of Gabon (1960-1990).png   Done
File:Presidential Standard of Guyana (1980-1985) under President LFS Burnham.png
File:Presidential Standard of Guyana (1985-1992) under President H. Desmond Hoyte.png
File:Presidential Standard of Guyana (1992-1997) under President Cheddi B. Jagan.png
File:Kenya presidential standard DANIEL ARAP MOI.png  Done
File:Kenya presidential standard JOMO KENYATTA.png
File:Kenya presidential standard MWAI KIBAKI.png
File:Kenya presidential standard UHURU KENYATTA.png
File:Flag of the President of the United Arab Emirates (1973-2008).png - this has already been vectorised
File:Presidential Standard of South Vietnam (1955-1963).png
File:Flag of Viliyata KBK.jpg
File:Flag of Ryazan Oblast.png
File:Flag of Taymyr Autonomous Okrug.png   Done
File:TomskOblastFlag.png
File:ChuvasFlagPrezidenta.gif   Done
File:Standard of the President of the Republic Dagestan.png   Done
File:Standart for Tatarstan.gif   Done

Thanks. 174.91.69.244 19:57, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

I'll do some of them, but I generally steer clear of flags (and heraldry) due to the amount of "jobsworth" pedants that inhabit that strange world, that and the fact that some of them need freehand drawing at which I'm terrible. I also tend to try to steer clear of stuff that uses type as it usually takes more time to find the correct font than it does to draw the image. A headache I don't need (even though I have a collection of around 300,000 fonts collected over 20+ years in this trade!). --Fred the Oyster (talk) 22:56, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Just out of interest, why these particular flags? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 00:04, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Can you please explain, where in this file is the raster graphic in question? --Don-kun (talk) 05:05, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

@Don-kun: If you open the file in a text editor, and look at around line 1833 you will find the base64 code for an embedded PNG file, with an Inkscape label of "ombres du relief/shaded relief". Presumably it's something that has a drop shadow or gaussian blur that isn't using an appropriate SVG filter. This is the reason the file is so overly large, that and the fact that it was saved as an "Inkscape SVG" rather than as a "Plain SVG" so all the Inkscape tags are included hence bloating out the file unnecessarily. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 09:20, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Found it. Thats the relief shading in the background. But how can I replace it? I am not sure, if the shading is just unnecessary or useful for the best impression of the relief. And I found how a file can be saved as normal svg. But can there be any damage in the inkscape-drawn file when its saved as normal svg? --Don-kun (talk) 18:00, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Re: the relief shading, I'm not sure what it's supposed to achieve, or even how it manifests, but one way of doing it that keeps it in vector is to 'paint' in a path that makes a shape that's correct for where the shading is supposed to be. Fill it with black or a dark grey. Reduce the opacity down to about 20% (or what loooks right to you, then if required run an SVG gaussian filter over the shape (FeGaussian4 should do it). Then readjust the opacity to taste. As for the Inkscape vs Plain SVG, yes, if you save it as Normal SVG you will lose a lot of metadata that Inkscape needs. The accepted convention is to save two files. You working copy should remain in Inkscape format, the SVG for upload should be in plain format. Usually the plain format is roughly 2/3rds the size of the Inkscape format. When I did it here (in Inkscape), after stripping out the raster, the file came down to about 3.4Mb. When I did it in Illustrator (which uses no Inkscape mark-up, obviously, but does use CSS to prevent duplication of code) it came down to about 2Mb. Oh, whilst I remember I would suggest using Liberation Sans (it's available for free off the net) for the text rather than Arial, and definitely not Futura. The renderer here replaces all/most commercial sans-serif fonts with Liberation Sans. This is why text never lines up properly and always comes up in the wrong size and rarely looks the same in preview form. Also, you can increase the accuracy of text placement/alignment by using pixel sizes rather than point sizes, eg 12px rather than 12pt. This also helps different browsers render the file similarly. You can always add Arial (or whatever) as a fallback font. COM:SVG can help here and explain things better than I can. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 18:32, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

About the shading, I asked in the German map workshop if its useful or not. I can't judge that myself, since I worked with that map so long and I am so used to it. Concerning the font, I already use Nimbus Sans since I switched from Windows to Mint a half year ago. That seems to work good as well. I began to revise all the caucasus history maps, so I will change the font and maybe the shading with the time. I have been worked until File:Caucasus 1405 map de alt.svg (backwards), so it will last a bit until I reach 1213. Thanks! --Don-kun (talk) 05:16, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

@Don-kun: Is there any reason you won't use Liberation Sans? If it's because you want it to render right in browsers then that won't work either, as Nimbus Sans isn't a standard font either so unless it's on the user's system (and in most cases it won't be) it won't show. I'm a professional designer with over 2000 active fonts on my systems (Windows 7 and Mac OS/X) (with an inactive collection of more than 200,000) and it's not on my system (although it is in the inactive collection). So I fail to see the benefits of using a non standard font like that. Even Arial would be a better choice as that is at least standard on all platforms. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 10:21, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

My bad, I just noticed that Nimbus Sans is indeed on the Wikimedia SVG fonts list. I'm sorry for the confusion in my comments. However the comments still apply for the rest of Windows and Mac systems. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 11:35, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello Fred, please don't mark SVG-Maps with {{BadSVG}}, if they contain a relief. There is no way to replace it with vector graphic. Think of them as Bitmaps with a svg wrapped around for better editing possibilities. If you find maps with symbols or even worse text as bitmaps, they should be tagged. Uwe Dedering (talk) 07:34, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Of course there's a way of dealing with a relief in vector form, I outlined it above. There is no necessity to do it in bitmap form. A combination of opacity and SVG shadow and SVG gaussian blur effects work perfectly fine. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 09:21, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

@Uwe Dedering: Actually, I've just been doing some tests and found that it's even easier than that. The relief bitmap is simply 'blobs' of greyscale pixels. All I did is autotrace the relief bitmap. Delete all areas of white. Fill all remaining paths with black, then reduce opacity to 20% and overlay over the top of the map. Job done. Obviously some tweaking will need to be done at the trace stage and the overlay stage, but it's most definitely not a case of "no way to replace". --Fred the Oyster (talk) 10:12, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I mean this procedure can be generally important, so it can be somewhere described as instructions for map-makers. But this gaussian blure thing is buggy here. There are also discussions about the possibility of linking internal Mediawiki images together. Greetings ↔ User: Perhelion (Commons: = crap?) 10:39, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Please feel free to tell them, but I tend to regard the map folks in pretty much the same way I see the heraldry nuts fans. As it turns out gaussian blur isn't really needed if one gets the opacity right and would prefer sharp edges for greater accuracy. In any case I don't think any gaussian effect beyond 3 would be required anyway. Hmmm, linking other images, what could possibly go wrong! --Fred the Oyster (talk) 11:17, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I don't think vector/raster image filenames have to match their raster/vector versions' filenames. Please don't perform such filemoves again without consensus. Thanks,    FDMS  4    01:54, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

It was a consensus of one, and I was in the majority. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 09:24, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I'm afraid this is not how establishing consensus works on Commons or any other Wikimedia project. The community has rejected minor improvements as a reason for filemoving.    FDMS  4    12:47, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't care. I also don't appreciate being lectured to by someone with less experience than me. I had valid reasons for doing what I did, the fact you obviously don't see the reason isn't my problem. It was a month ago, no-one (with a vested interest) has complained. It's an unimportant file and my change has not been detrimental in any way. So mountain, molehill, now move along to your next patronising lecture. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 13:45, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

what is the raster element that's showing up?

I drew this purely as vector.. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 14:52, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Apparently it was an invisible mask, but it seems you've discovered it for yourself. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 15:06, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi,

I wonder why you reversed my editing on the information about this image. It is clearly writen by the uploader that this is a derived images from the jpeg version. So why not indicate it as it is not an original upload?

I made a French version of your SVG and I did indicated that it was derived from your file in order to give credit to you, as I should, according to the GFDL. Why won't you do the same for the creator of the jpeg version?

Pierre cb (talk) 00:01, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Because the original author didn't create or author the vector version, their image was just a template for it. CC licences allow a simple link to the original to act as the attribution, therefore the way I do it (and I do it on all my illustrations, 1100+ of them) is perfectly legal, and is perfectly ethical. Likewise if I alter someone else's work (for whatever reason) I don't claim it as a derivative, I simply let the original author's name remain on it. I work on the principal of offering the minimum amount of information on the basis that the more I say the less trouble I'm likely to get myself in. hence my keeping to the minimum requirements of CC licensing.

However your derivation of the vector had nothing to do with the original author of the bitmap. You didn't alter their work, you altered mine. Now me personally, I have no preference as to how you attribute the image, feel free to attribute it to the original author, or even yourself if you wish. As it happens I don't believe in copyright, I just choose the first item on the list and go with that. I have no interest or preference to what happens to my work after I upload it. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 00:35, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I almost forgot. If you have done a French translation why didn't you add it to the other versions section of my version so that folks can see that there's a translated version? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 00:40, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Good idea, I just did. Pierre cb (talk) 10:01, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Fred, thank you for creating an SVG version of the work at your recent SVG graphic but as it is a derivative work from the design by www.virgidesign.com. Discussion is here Gts-tg (talk) 13:33, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi,

In case like File:Alice Salazar.jpg, it helps if you can provide the source, as it is a high resolution picture with EXIF data. Thanks for your help. Regards, Yann (talk) 18:24, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Google images is one's friend, and not just the various thumbnails from the Wikiverse either. Either way, I see my function as pointing out likely copyvios, I don't have the time to go looking for absolute evidence. As far as I am concerned that's an admin's job. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 18:30, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

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  Korean / 한국어
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  Traditional Chinese / 中文 (繁體字)
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Hi! I have some translations for File:Seatmap of Air China Flight 129 (en).svg

KOREAN:

Empty Seat: 빈자리
Captain: 기장
First Officer: 부기장 (Literally vice-captain)
Second Officer: No translations found
First - Eighth Flight Attendant: There doesn't seem to be technical terms for the ranking of the flight attendants. Flight attendant translates to 승무원, and the corresponding terms from first to eighth are: 첫째, 둘째, 셋째, 넷째, 다섯째, 여섯째, 일곱째, 여덟째 (My note: Maybe "??승무원" is the format to do it?)
Lavatory:화장실
Galley: 조리실
Business Class: 비즈니스 클라스
Economy Class: 보통석
Overwing Exit: 날개 부분의 바상구부
Seats: 좌석
(These are courtesy of Kj Kim: There are some transcriptions of content originally in Korean that I don't have yet)

TRADITIONAL CHINESE: (from zh:User:Oneam)

Captain=機師,
First Officer=副機師,
Second Officer=第二副機師（Or 二副機師/二副）,
Flight Attendant=空中服務員,
Business Class=商務客艙,
Economy Class=經濟客艙,
Overwing Exit=機翼上方緊急逃生出口

SIMPLIFIED CHINESE: (from zh:User:Oneam)

Captain=机师,
First Officer=副机师,
Second Officer=第二副机师（Or 二副机师/二副）,
Flight Attendant=空中服务员,
Business Class=商务客舱,
Economy Class=经济客舱,
Overwing Exit=机翼上方紧急逃生出口

If there any pieces that are missing I can try to get more.

Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 15:42, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

I'll get on it.The problem won't be the translations, the problem for me is finding the correct font that the renderer can use without replacing it. I'd prefer to keep it in raw text form rather than convert the text into shapes which screws things up for people needing to change/correct/translate without using a graphics package. I think I've sussed out a font for the Korean (either Batang or Ungungseo), but I haven't started on the Chinese yet (not that I even know where to start!. I know nothing about Kanji so there's a very good chance that I'm going to screw this up in some way. At least if I keep the raw text someone who knows about this sort of stuff can put it right.--Fred the Oyster (talk) 18:59, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

PS: Have you noticed the missing seventh attendant? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 19:03, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I did. The map in both the Korean and English versions of the map does not specify a seventh attendant WhisperToMe (talk) 05:01, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

@WhisperToMe: All done, though I won't vouch for the translations that you didn't supply. Blame Google :) --Fred the Oyster (talk) 13:46, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Haha, thanks! I let Oneam and KJ Kim know. I understand Google Translate stumbles upon Asian languages, so it's important that they take a look at the results. As for what's in the box, there is an original (non-translated) Korean text that needs to be put in there (the English within the box itself was a translation from Korean, although there were other translations that you did not receive because much of the text on the original Korean document was in English anyway). There's a special NAPDF reader that's needed to see the original Korean document (the English document is in the regular PDF). WhisperToMe (talk) 08:26, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

UPDATES FOR CHINESE VERSIONS from ONEAM:

Traditional Chinese:

• For "Seating chart is based upon assigned seating as listed on passenger manifest and survivors' statements" & "11 non-survivors’ seats are not located due to changing seats in-flight"： - 本座位表是根據航班乘客名單及生還者的證言制作 & 有11名死者在起飛後更改座位，未能確定位置
• For "Seat plan of Air China flight 129 showing sitting positions of passengers and crew and which seats held survivors and non-survivors"： - 中國國際航空129號班機遇難時的座位圖表，顯示生還與死亡的乘客及機組人員座位位置。

Simplified Chinese:

• For "Seating chart is based upon assigned seating as listed on passenger manifest and survivors' statements" & "11 non-survivors’ seats are not located due to changing seats in-flight"： - 本座位表是根据航班乘客名单及生还者的证言制作 & 有11名死者在起飞后更改座位，未能确定位置
• For "Seat plan of Air China flight 129 showing sitting positions of passengers and crew and which seats held survivors and non-survivors"： - 中国国际航空129号班机遇难时的座位图表，显示生还与死亡的乘客及机组人员座位位置。

WhisperToMe (talk) 01:50, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

UPDATES FOR KOREAN VERSION:

• 좌석도면은 승객명단과 생존자 진술에 의해 작성되었음 -- Seating diagram created in accordance with passenger manifest and survivor statements
• 11명 사망자의 좌석 위치는 비행 중 좌석 변경으로 인해 표기 되지 않았음 -- Seat locations for 11 fatalities not shown because of seat changes during flight

Please let me know when you apply the updates WhisperToMe (talk) 03:41, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

@WhisperToMe: - All done, at least I think they are, it's all squiggles to me and I have no idea if some of the line breaks have screwed things up! My CJK font finding adventure was an interesting experience though! :) --Fred the Oyster (talk) 15:52, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, there is some errors on Korean translations - let me fix some. (Some accurate translations are not listed)

Empty Seat: 빈 자리
First Officer: 부조종사
Second Officer: 제2조종사 (Though not official)
First - Eighth Flight Attendant: 첫번째, 두번째, 세번째, 네번째, 다섯번째, 여섯번째, 일곱번째, 여덟번째 (in order, 1~8th) 승무원 is more accurate. Galley:승무원실
Business Class: 비즈니스 클래스
Economy Class: 이코노미 클래스
Overwing Exit: 날개 위의 비상구
Seats: 석
Non-survivor: 사망자
Legend: 개요
Cabin: 좌석
Well, I don't know how to edit SVG files..... — revi_msg 10:24, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks, I'll try to get them sorted either layer today or tomorrow at the latest. As for editing SVGs, it's simple in the ones I do. You just open them with a text file editor and I group all the text together in one place (usually it's also labelled too) which most times is towards the end of the file. Then you just preview your changes in any modern browser simply by opening the SVG in the browser. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 16:40, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

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  CAAC Flight 301 (en)
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  CAAC Flight 301 (zh-tw)
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  CAAC Flight 301 (zh)
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  China Airlines Flight 642 (en)
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  China Airlines Flight 642 (zh-tw)
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  China Airlines Flight 642 (zh)
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Are you interested in illustrating another seat map? It is of China Airlines Flight 642, at http://www.cad.gov.hk/reports/r1app1/app1-16.pdf - I asked for Chinese text at: zh:User_talk:Oneam#What_is_the_Chinese_text_in_this_map.3F

There was also CAAC Flight 301 - p. 110/113 has the map here: http://ebook.lib.hku.hk/HKG/B35835655.pdf (no passengers are indicated) WhisperToMe (talk) 16:35, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

One down, I'll try to get the other one done in the next few days. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 21:03, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! WhisperToMe (talk) 08:50, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Here is information needed to make Chinese versions of the China Airlines map: CHINA AIRLINES crash: Traditional Chinese from Oneam:

   Seat Locations of Seriously Injured Persons -> 重傷乘客的座位
   Key to Amenities -> 圖示說明
   Dynasty Business Class -> 華夏商務客艙 (Dynasty and 華夏 are brand names)
   Economy Class -> 經濟客艙
   Video Control Center -> 影音控制室
   Handicap Toilet -> 殘障設備盥洗室
   Toilet -> 盥洗室
   Galley -> 機上廚房
   Coat Closet -> 衣帽間
   Overwing Seat -> 機翼上方座位
   Legend -> 圖例
   "Pax" stands for "Passenger" (乘客), and "F/A" stands for "Flight Attendant" (空中服務員)
   Dead -> 死者 (3名乘客)
   Burn or Scald -> 燒傷或燙傷 (21名乘客及3名空中服務員)
   Head Injury -> 頭部受傷 (10名乘客及1名空中服務員)
   Other Injuries -> 其他創傷 (18名乘客及2名空中服務員)

CHINA AIRLINES Simplified Chinese:

   Seat Locations of Seriously Injured Persons -> 重伤乘客的座位
   Key to Amenities -> 图示说明
   Dynasty Business Class -> 华夏商务客舱 (Dynasty and 华夏 are brand names)
   Economy Class -> 经济客舱
   Video Control Center -> 影音控制室
   Handicap Toilet -> 残障设备盥洗室
   Toilet -> 盥洗室
   Galley -> 机上厨房
   Coat Closet -> 衣帽间
   Overwing Seat -> 机翼上方座位
   Legend -> 图例
   "Pax" stands for "Passenger" (乘客), and "F/A" stands for "Flight Attendant" (空中服务员)
   Dead -> 死者 (3名乘客)
   Burn or Scald -> 烧伤或烫伤 (21名乘客及3名空中服务员)
   Head Injury -> 头部受伤 (10名乘客及1名空中服务员)
   Other Injuries -> 其他创伤 (18名乘客及2名空中服务员)

WhisperToMe (talk) 09:08, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

• English one done, I'll get to the Chinese ones later, along with the new Korean translation (above) kindly provided by Revi. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 16:36, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

@WhisperToMe: The two Chinese ones seem to be done. The traditional Chinese is easy, it's the simplified that's the PITA with regard to finding a font that Commons recognises and contains all the characters. So much so, I'm not too keen on doing any more translations as they take forever with not much return. Especially when I set the file up to be easily edited and text to be exchanged with a cut and paste. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 20:23, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Ok. Thank you for the work that you have done! Now Chinese people are able to understand the maps of the aircraft involved in air disasters affecting China. I put the last request for Chinese here: Commons:Graphic_Lab/Illustration_workshop#Requested_translation_of_aircraft_map_into_Chinese WhisperToMe (talk) 05:17, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

I'd started, so I finished. All done. As an explanation for my above comments though. I enjoy doing the graphics because I'm a designer by profession, I'm not a linguist (in fact I have a communications disorder, Asperger's) so don't enjoy messing around in a language I don't know, don't know the rules for and don't truly know what it actually says. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 11:26, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Ok. Yeah, I understand some languages are tricky. Anyway, in case you are in a situation where you are forced to deal with Chinese, you may use http://mdbg.net - Put the Chinese characters in there and you can see translations. http://jisho.org is a similar cousin for Japanese. I'm putting new requests on the request board so others are welcome to try. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:17, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

BTW again, thanks for all your help :) WhisperToMe (talk) 16:36, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

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  Barrel
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  Rainbow
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  Barrel-ier?

Dear Fred,

may you draw an illustration of a barrel roof and a rainbow roof (similar to File:Drawing in perspective of gambrel-roofed building.svg)?--Kopiersperre (talk) 18:37, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

@Kopiersperre: Will these do? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 19:53, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Barrel roof.svg is usable, but not for a classic barrel roof, which is round like a circle. May you create another More barrely roof.svg?--Kopiersperre (talk) 20:07, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

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  Barrel vault

That's the problem I discovered when I went searching for examples, ie there are so many different definitions in so many countries. This is why I chose this one as it seemed to be a 'half-way' measure. For example, in the UK the 'spiky onion' Russian roof can be referred to as a "barrel roof". So basically confusion reigns supreme. So for a roof ignoramus like me... :) --Fred the Oyster (talk) 20:12, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

@Kopiersperre: Is the above 'barrel-ier' roof form more like what you were looking for? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 23:04, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes.--Kopiersperre (talk) 23:39, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

The 2018 Paralympic logo must be clear of white and have the same features as the Olymic logo. You have revert it without a reason when I'm informing either you or everybody that it must have the same features.

174.91.69.244 12:08, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

I reverted it because you are wrong. There are two different versions on the official website, this is the one on the upper right-hand side. You are talking about the one on the upper left-hand side. So no more demands please. I don't have to do anything. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 12:13, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello ! I'm afraid that Your image at Instrument landing system shows a Flight director rather than the ILS-parts, Localizer and Glideslope. Have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Localizer , where I have put another image, which shows the difference. The Flight director can be described as "the way the autopilot would take" if disconnected. Perhaps not the entire truth, but almost. This isn't the first time I've noticed confusion between the FD and the ILS parts, localizer and glideslope. All the best ! Boeing720 (talk) 06:43, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

I have no idea what you just said. I'm merely a graphist who vectorised a pre-existing image (as can be seen by the thumbnail on the image's description page) by someone who, presumably, would know what they were talking about. I, however, do not know anything about the subject matter. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 10:28, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

File:Structure volcano virgin.svg

• Old version 2014-10-24 : matriciel (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/3/3e/20141106023127!Structure_volcano_virgin.svg)
• New version 2014-11-06 : SVG Image ;)--medium69 (talk) 02:44, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Answered on your talk page. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 02:46, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

 

Hi Oyster,

may you draw this as SVG?--Kopiersperre (talk) 18:44, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

That shouldn't give me a problem. Give me a day or two and I'll get it sorted for you. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 18:50, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

@Kopiersperre: Will this do? I did have some problems reading the small print as the pic you gave is lo-res and the text was in grey. I think I got them right, but the one I'm not totally sure about is the "50G-Customer" in the bottom left-hand corner (DE-CIX10). If it's wrong either let me know or you can change it yourself with a text editor (all text is raw and in a group at the bottom of the file). --Fred the Oyster (talk) 19:18, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Take painkillers and stop harassing everyone !--medium69 (talk) 01:58, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Your actions will end up with you being blocked. I suggest you stop before things get worse for you. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 02:02, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

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@A.Savin: I can only presume that this is a punitive block as the 'offence' was more than 24 hours ago. It wasn't "harassment", or "intimidation" or "stalking". It was an expression of disgust at the crap I had to put up with. I suggest you gain consensus from your peers otherwise your unilateral indef is against the rules re "punitive blocking". Just saying. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 17:30, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

@A.Savin: . Ping is often only triggered when a new sig or section is added, not edited into an existing signed chunk. DMacks (talk) 17:46, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

as I can see, you were already indef'ed but later unblocked under conditions. So, it is now just a return to the regular status for me, namely to the permanent ban of your account. Commons is not wikipedia. It should not have that much of tolerance for long-term insulting behaviour. Of course you are free to request {{Unblock}}. --A.Savin 21:38, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

No, I won't be asking for an unblock. If I'm unblocked it's because my expertise, experience and speed are useful to the project. It won't be because I've had to prostrate myself to an arrogant clique of individuals who feel superior because they have a handful of extra tools available to them. And no I won't promise to behave, or not use profanity. When I'm treated like shit, patronised and made to look like an idiot because I don't know chemistry then that person will also get a "fuck you" too. After all I must have deserved it eh? Just because I copied an image that had a mistake on it, therefore it was all my fault. How strange it is that this has come about via the denizens of the de.wikipedia. What a coincidence eh?

If you don't want my skills, then fair enough, there's no point me putting time and energy into work that isn't just unappreciated but mocked and patronised. My block, last time, didn't bother me, neither will this one. The way you guys go on about unblock requests it's as if you think it should be a privilege to be able to upload here. In fact the reverse is true. The project has had the equivalent of 1000s of dollars of work done by me alone, and now you want me to beg to do more? Fuck that! You truly do have a high opinion of yourselfs don't you? On the bright side though, at least Fae will now get another chance to go all creepy and stalkerish with his beloved SQL commands. See ya all, it's not been the pleasure you lot seem to think it is. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 22:13, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

• Hey Leyo, re your "real world analogy". You mustn't get out much as in the example you give you are 180 degrees wrong. In the real world the big donors do call the shots. Surely you must have heard the expression "The Golden Rule", ie he who has the gold makes the rules? Why do you think the whole world has corrupt governments? It's because the donors call the shots. This project is no different. Without donations and uploaders the project dies. Apparently there's a never ending supply of photo uploaders, but, seemingly, relatively few illustrators. Now it seems you have one less, in fact one of the most prolific ones as it happens. Incidentally, the arrogance and patronising you and your geek squad over in Chemistry Club practice is more likely to lose good users than my occasional outbursts. Not that you would be able to see that of course. People in glasshouses etc.

PS Medium69, calling you out for various copyvios and licensing errors is not harassment, it's appropriate behaviour. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 00:58, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

• Ho-hum, they're coming out of the woodwork now with their misquotes and their false allegations. My comment about vexillologists was with regard to their pedantry, not their "stupidity". I've never in my life used homophobic hate speech, I am after all I'm not homophobic, I'm a bisexual. And yes I make smart-ass sarky comments when people say and do inane things, or are vindictive, or are arrogant or are incompetent etc, but I never, ever make hate-tinged comments, even on subjects I do hate. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 01:16, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

• Hi Fred, I've reduced your block because a) there is consensus in this ANU thread indefinitely ban you from Commons and b) even if you were to be banned, a formal discussion would have to occur anyhow. Regards, FASTILY 04:58, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
• Hi Fred, I changed your block to three months. See COM:AN/U for details. I hope that you stop making personal attack in future. Regards --Steinsplitter (talk) 15:46, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate the technical quality of the graphics; however, a babies head moves down the birth canal at the same time as the cervix dilating. It the sequence, it looks like the babies head is stationary while the cervix is dilating. Any comments? Snowmanradio (talk) 08:07, 13 November 2014 (UTC)