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Oh boy so it looks like very large numbers of First Nations & other Indigenous flags on this site have incorrect copyright tags. I'm gonna try and keep to the FNs living in what is now Canada & USA because this feels like a gigantic task.

Note: {{subst:npd}} recommended when there's a plausible author listed but no credible source it's actually PD/CC

When a digitizer improperly claims authorship, it's recommended to use {{subst:dw-nsd}} over regular NSD.

If source is missing but it's clearly PD: {{Source missing}} on the {{information|source=}} parameter

IMPORTANT: Looks like VisualFileChange.js, when sending notifications to uploaders, will send notifications to *everybody* who uploaded an version of the file in question. See: File:Flag of the Poarch Band of Creek Indians.svg it notified both the original uploader and another Commons user who uploaded an improved version of the SVG.

Note: registered copyright

NOTE Georgia Cherokee seal is copyrighted https://publicrecords.copyright.gov/detailed-record/18190668 https://georgiatribeofeasterncherokee.org/ which means that the SPECIES OF THE LAUREL matters for TOO

USA: Commons:Copyright rules by territory/United States

  • Note https://tmsearch.uspto.gov is useful for confirming a flag's copyright registry or finding author info, because the copyright database doesn't have images or image descriptions, but the trademark office DOES.

TOO USA

Flags that are PD or otherwise okay

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PD flags that had incorrect author information which I have updated

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  • Piapot 
    Piapot
  • Peguis (SVG) 
    Peguis (SVG)
  • Peguis (PNG) 
    Peguis (PNG)
  • Natoaganeg (I'm not 100% it's below TOO but that's how I'm leaning) 
    Natoaganeg (I'm not 100% it's below TOO but that's how I'm leaning)
  • Haudenosaunee - it's below TOO because it's based on the Hiawatha belt which is old 
    Haudenosaunee - it's below TOO because it's based on the Hiawatha belt which is old
  • Haudenosaunee 
    Haudenosaunee
  • Haudenosaunee 
    Haudenosaunee
  • Mi'kmaq 
    Mi'kmaq
  • Metis 
    Metis
  • Metis 
    Metis
  • Metis 
    Metis
  • Metis 
    Metis
  • Metis 
    Metis
  • Metis 
    Metis
  • Elsipogtog 
    Elsipogtog
  • Not in Canada, but fixed it while dealing with other flags by Himasaram 
    Not in Canada, but fixed it while dealing with other flags by Himasaram
  • Not in Canada, but fixed it while dealing with other flags by Himasaram 
    Not in Canada, but fixed it while dealing with other flags by Himasaram
  • Not in Canada, but fixed it while dealing with other flags by Himasaram. Probably PD due to age. 
    Not in Canada, but fixed it while dealing with other flags by Himasaram. Probably PD due to age.
  • Not in Canada, but fixed it while dealing with other flags by Himasaram 
    Not in Canada, but fixed it while dealing with other flags by Himasaram
  • Not in Canada, but fixed it while dealing with other flags by Germenfer 
    Not in Canada, but fixed it while dealing with other flags by Germenfer
  • same 
    same
  • uploaded by Walkingcrow. Should be PD. 
    uploaded by Walkingcrow. Should be PD.
  • Walkingcrow. Should be PD. 
    Walkingcrow. Should be PD.
  • uploaded by Mysid 
    uploaded by Mysid
  • uploaded by Walden69 
    uploaded by Walden69
  • uploaded by Himasaram 
    uploaded by Himasaram
  • uploader: CzarJobKhaya* 
    uploader: CzarJobKhaya*
  • uploader: Lightbearer 
    uploader: Lightbearer
  • uploaded by Tatehuari (Yaomautzin Ohtokani) who had claimed authorship 
    uploaded by Tatehuari (Yaomautzin Ohtokani) who had claimed authorship
  • uploaded by Marrovi who also claimed authorship 
    uploaded by Marrovi who also claimed authorship
  • uploaded by AldoEZ who also claimed authorship 
    uploaded by AldoEZ who also claimed authorship
  • this time it was Germenfer 
    this time it was Germenfer
  • and this time it was Xasartha 
    and this time it was Xasartha
  • uploaded by Aaron Walden, flag from 19th c 
    uploaded by Aaron Walden, flag from 19th c
  • uploaded by Aaron Walden, flag from 19th c 
    uploaded by Aaron Walden, flag from 19th c
  • Aaron Walden 
    Aaron Walden
  • WhistlingCanines 
    WhistlingCanines
  • Alex Microbe * 
    Alex Microbe *
  • Uyvsdi falsely claimed this one 
    Uyvsdi falsely claimed this one
  • Uyvsdi again 
    Uyvsdi again
  • SiBr4 this time 
    SiBr4 this time
  • Marce79 this time 
    Marce79 this time
  • Muscogee Red 
    Muscogee Red
  • Himasaram on this one 
    Himasaram on this one
  • PD due to age (from 1869) 
    PD due to age (from 1869)
  • PD due to age (from 1869) 
    PD due to age (from 1869)
  • PD due to age (from 1869) 
    PD due to age (from 1869)
  • Tcr25 - isn't PD due to age, is PD because the art in the middle is PD due to age and everything else is below TOO. Removed the confusing tag about author dying in 1901. 
    Tcr25 - isn't PD due to age, is PD because the art in the middle is PD due to age and everything else is below TOO. Removed the confusing tag about author dying in 1901.
  • Aaron Walden - also isn't PD due to age, but it is PD because it's based on a work that is PD due to age 
    Aaron Walden - also isn't PD due to age, but it is PD because it's based on a work that is PD due to age
  • Aaron Walden - ditto 
    Aaron Walden - ditto
  • Leviavery claimed authorship. I fixed the author information and determined it to be PD-inelegible since the main element is based on a 19th century seal. 
    Leviavery claimed authorship. I fixed the author information and determined it to be PD-inelegible since the main element is based on a 19th century seal.
  • Hosmich had claimed authorship. Was able to find source that this flag was flown in the US civil war and hence PD. 
    Hosmich had claimed authorship. Was able to find source that this flag was flown in the US civil war and hence PD.
  • Porsche997SBS, same flag 
    Porsche997SBS, same flag
  • Shockabrah, same flag 
    Shockabrah, same flag
  • AnonMoos * - could find a source saying design from 19c so PD 
    AnonMoos * - could find a source saying design from 19c so PD
  • Node ue - could find a source saying design from 19c so PD 
    Node ue - could find a source saying design from 19c so PD
  • Muscogee Red - updated with actual author info. Seal is the only thing above TOO and it's PD. 
    Muscogee Red - updated with actual author info. Seal is the only thing above TOO and it's PD.
  • Muscogee Red - same flag 
    Muscogee Red - same flag
  • Aaron Walden uploaded this one - same flag 
    Aaron Walden uploaded this one - same flag
  • Aaron Walden - same flag 
    Aaron Walden - same flag
  • Hosmich - same flag 
    Hosmich - same flag
  • Seems to be from 19th C 
    Seems to be from 19th C
  • " image found on FOTW, which was then vectorized by Flagvisioner" found the source [1] and it's TOO 
    " image found on FOTW, which was then vectorized by Flagvisioner" found the source [1] and it's TOO
  • author Muwekma Ohlone Tribe, uploader PatrickHipes - uses an painting from 19th C that is PD, but dunno about the shape in the background [2]. Opened Commons:Village_pump/Copyright#Is_File:Muwekma_Ohlone_Tribe_flag.png_above_TOO? and consensus appear to be below TOO:USA. 
    author Muwekma Ohlone Tribe, uploader PatrickHipes - uses an painting from 19th C that is PD, but dunno about the shape in the background [2]. Opened Commons:Village_pump/Copyright#Is_File:Muwekma_Ohlone_Tribe_flag.png_above_TOO? and consensus appear to be below TOO:USA.
  • Tripodero. Not the same as this 1969 Alcatraz flag [3] [4]. Found a 1978 variant, so am comfortable with this being PD-flag. Still wish the year & creator were known. 
    Tripodero. Not the same as this 1969 Alcatraz flag [3] [4]. Found a 1978 variant, so am comfortable with this being PD-flag. Still wish the year & creator were known.
  • Tripodero (perhaps is creator?). Given the historical importance of the flag I also started w:Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Who_designed_the_flag_of_the_American_Indian_Movement_and_when?. Found a 1978 variant, so am comfortable with this being PD-flag. Still wish the year & creator were known. 
    Tripodero (perhaps is creator?). Given the historical importance of the flag I also started w:Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Who_designed_the_flag_of_the_American_Indian_Movement_and_when?. Found a 1978 variant, so am comfortable with this being PD-flag. Still wish the year & creator were known.
  • Tripodero. Found a 1978 variant, so am comfortable with this being PD-flag. Still wish the year & creator were known. 
    Tripodero. Found a 1978 variant, so am comfortable with this being PD-flag. Still wish the year & creator were known.

CC flags that seem legit (enough)?

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  • Says permission was granted by a Chief Paul Bunnell, seems to have been an actual chief of the Ko'asek 
    Says permission was granted by a Chief Paul Bunnell, seems to have been an actual chief of the Ko'asek
  • Says permission was granted by a Chief Paul Bunnell, seems to have been an actual chief of the Ko'asek 
    Says permission was granted by a Chief Paul Bunnell, seems to have been an actual chief of the Ko'asek
  • Accurately credits Thomassie Mangiok. Can't find proof Thomassie Mangiok released it Creative Commons but all the news articles I've found on the flag seem to indicate he is trying to promote wide adoption and it's plausible enough to me that it's CC that I don't see enough reason to challenge it. 
    Accurately credits Thomassie Mangiok. Can't find proof Thomassie Mangiok released it Creative Commons but all the news articles I've found on the flag seem to indicate he is trying to promote wide adoption and it's plausible enough to me that it's CC that I don't see enough reason to challenge it.

Flags not actually in use, so seem fine enough

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Flags of concern

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I have emailed the artist about it

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I have emailed the FN about it

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  • Haida [6] [7] AHA! [8] - have tagged NPD given lack of reply to email 
    Haida [6] [7] AHA! [8] - have tagged NPD given lack of reply to email
  • More Haida. Creator is G̲uud San Glans! [9] - have tagged NPD given lack of reply to email 
    More Haida. Creator is G̲uud San Glans! [9] - have tagged NPD given lack of reply to email
  • Blackfoot Confederacy - if the consensus is the Nunavut flag is below TOO, this would probably be as well. Waiting on that discussion to reach a conclusion. Commons:Deletion requests/File:Flag of Nunavut.svg - WAITING 
    Blackfoot Confederacy - if the consensus is the Nunavut flag is below TOO, this would probably be as well. Waiting on that discussion to reach a conclusion. Commons:Deletion requests/File:Flag of Nunavut.svg - WAITING
  • Nunatsiavut. Says author is Jorge Candeias but that seems to just be the person who submitted it to FOTW. Canadian Encyclopedia says "The flag initially adopted in the early 1970s by the Labrador Inuit Association (LIA) was chosen as the flag of Nunatsiavut." http://www.combinedcouncils.ca/home/29 - if the consensus is the Nunavut flag is below TOO, this would probably be as well. Waiting on that discussion to reach a conclusion. - WATIING 
    Nunatsiavut. Says author is Jorge Candeias but that seems to just be the person who submitted it to FOTW. Canadian Encyclopedia says "The flag initially adopted in the early 1970s by the Labrador Inuit Association (LIA) was chosen as the flag of Nunatsiavut." http://www.combinedcouncils.ca/home/29 - if the consensus is the Nunavut flag is below TOO, this would probably be as well. Waiting on that discussion to reach a conclusion. - WATIING
  • US law. Above TOO. No source. But the band website links to Wikipedia? https://www.mackinacband.com/about-us - have tagged DW-NSD given lack of reply to my email 
    US law. Above TOO. No source. But the band website links to Wikipedia? https://www.mackinacband.com/about-us - have tagged DW-NSD given lack of reply to my email

I have emailed the Territorial Government about it

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Somebody else is emailing the FN about it

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  • upload by Jack Ryan Morris - this one I went with dw-nsd. UPDATE: SpinnerLaserzthe2nd added a source and a new copyright tag, but the source does not substantiate the copyright tag. This user removed the NSD tag. I have left a message on the user's talk page about it. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd says they will email the Kake for permission. WAITING. 
    upload by Jack Ryan Morris - this one I went with dw-nsd. UPDATE: SpinnerLaserzthe2nd added a source and a new copyright tag, but the source does not substantiate the copyright tag. This user removed the NSD tag. I have left a message on the user's talk page about it. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd says they will email the Kake for permission. WAITING.

Flags with suspiciously convenient licenses tagged with Disputed

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I fixed the author info BUT left a Disputed tag

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TODO: decide whether to further investigate or just leave as is.

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  • Navajoindian - 1968 is too recent for it to be PD due to age 
    Navajoindian - 1968 is too recent for it to be PD due to age
  • Navajoindian 
    Navajoindian
  • Navajoindian 
    Navajoindian
  • Navajohistory 
    Navajohistory
  • Flagvisioner * 
    Flagvisioner *
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  • Bassoonstuff 
    Bassoonstuff
  • Navajohistory 
    Navajohistory

UKB Cherokee

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  • Muscogee Red (actual author might be Jim May?) 
    Muscogee Red (actual author might be Jim May?)
  • Muscogee Red 
    Muscogee Red
  • Aaron Walden (note: same image with border credits a Jim May) 
    Aaron Walden (note: same image with border credits a Jim May)
  • Jim May as author, Himasaram uploader 
    Jim May as author, Himasaram uploader

Other

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  • Di (they/them) but author Matthew G. Bisanz. TODO: this one seems likely to be PD due to age? 
    Di (they/them) but author Matthew G. Bisanz. TODO: this one seems likely to be PD due to age?
  • Is this actually legit or is this copyright laundering? Couldn't find the year this flag was made. 
    Is this actually legit or is this copyright laundering? Couldn't find the year this flag was made.

Flags marked as TOO-unknown

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Based on a work published in the US before 1978 of uncertain status

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  • Ivana1975. Original Ute flag (different blue background) from 1970-1971 [12] [13] - tagged DW-NSD 
    Ivana1975. Original Ute flag (different blue background) from 1970-1971 [12] [13] - tagged DW-NSD
  • Xasartha US-1970s-weirdness? (DW-NSD) 
    Xasartha US-1970s-weirdness? (DW-NSD)


Flags that should (probably) be deleted

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Open deletion discussions (either my nom, or a response to a tag)

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TODO reply as needed.

Nominated for speedy deletion

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{{Copyvio|1=Copy.|2=https://publicrecords.copyright.gov/detailed-record/18106719}}

Template:NSD

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By User_talk:Jljmt

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By Walden69

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Shockabrah

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Alegri4B

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  • Alegri4B 
    Alegri4B
  • Alegri4B 
    Alegri4B
  • went through all their uploads and tagged all the flags without sources (unless it was already noted as a ficticious or unofficial flag), which yielded a few more FN flags that were not categorized properly 
    went through all their uploads and tagged all the flags without sources (unless it was already noted as a ficticious or unofficial flag), which yielded a few more FN flags that were not categorized properly
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Included in my batch deletion request of Xasartha

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See Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Xasartha.

Tagged with NPD

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Tagged with DW-NSD

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One-time users

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Flags uploaded by Ryan Jack Morris

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Mario1952

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Himasaram

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This user also uploaded several FN flags that are below TOO that need to be fixed.

Hosmich

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Germenfer

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Uyvsdi

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  • Uyvsdi 
    Uyvsdi
  • Uyvsdi 
    Uyvsdi
  • Uyvsdi - this one I found an author for and so used NPD instead since the author died in 2022 
    Uyvsdi - this one I found an author for and so used NPD instead since the author died in 2022

Di (they/them)

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  • Di but author Nathan Soliz 
    Di but author Nathan Soliz

Elevatorrailfan

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File Upload Bot

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Bot upload with a green review thing? Nathon Soliz author. Bot operator says "If it's evil, just nuke it."

Flagvisioner

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DW
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NPD
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{{Copyvio|1=Registered copyright in USA (VAU000241180).|2=https://publicrecords.copyright.gov/detailed-record/18106719}}

DONE: sort through these suspicious claims of authorship

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Have checked US copyright office for

  • title:"flag" + title:"tribe"
  • title:"flag" + title:"tribes"
  • title:"flag" + title:"tribal"
  • title:"flag" + title:"indian"
  • title:"flag" + title:"reservation"
  • title:"flag" + title:"nation"
  • title:"flag" + title:"village"
  • title:"flag" + title:"community"
  • title:"seal" + title:"tribe"
  • title:"seal" + title:"tribal"
  • title:"seal" + title:"indian"
  • title:"seal" + title:"reservation"
  • title:"seal" + title:"nation"
    • community
    • village
  • title:"emblem" + title:"tribe"
    • tribal
    • indian
    • reservation
    • nation
    • community
    • village

Also: seal + other keywords, also emblem. ! username seems maybe legit? asterisk means a source is provided

DONE GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING HERE!!!!!!!!

Other countries

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NOT GONNA BOTHER WITH! THIS ENDEAVOUR HAS BEEN ENOUGH FOR ME.

IDEAS FOR PREVENTION

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DONE

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